possible trade

[dbills0402]

KC need pitching, What if the O's get Billy Butler(first base and DH)
trade Jake Arrieta, Xavier Avery, Tommy Hunter or similar combination, Butler
would give the on base percentage guy. We could have a lineup of Mclouth, Markasis, Jones, Butler, Weiters, Hardy, Davis, Machado, Casilla(or Roberts)
if Roberts healthy he would leadoff.

[Far from home]

KC need pitching, What if the O's get Billy Butler(first base and DH)
trade Jake Arrieta, Xavier Avery, Tommy Hunter or similar combination, Butler
would give the on base percentage guy. We could have a lineup of Mclouth, Markasis, Jones, Butler, Weiters, Hardy, Davis, Machado, Casilla(or Roberts)
if Roberts healthy he would leadoff.

Imo, Gordon would be a better fit.
He's an all around guy that would fill multiple needs.

[bmore_ken]

Who the hell wants Tommy Hunter?

[Slidemaster]

Who the hell wants Tommy Hunter?

Hunter looks awfully good throwing 100 in the 8th.

[weird-O]

Hunter looks awfully good throwing 100 in the 8th.

there it is.

when he stated hitting high 90's, his stock went up.

I like the idea of getting Butler. I would love to see a smart trade to acquire him.

[AntiMoon]

When will fans learn to stop trying to trade our garbage for other team's gold? you want Butler? Better include Tillman and a quality prospect like Schoop or another good young pitcher like Britton or they will laugh at you

[bmore_ken]

When will fans learn to stop trying to trade our garbage for other team's gold? you want Butler? Better include Tillman and a quality prospect like Schoop or another good young pitcher like Britton or they will laugh at you

Bingo!!! Tommy Hunter

[Jimmy Jazz]

What I remember of KC from last season was that they already have a bunch of flamethrowers in the bullpen. They need starters. So Tommy Hunter might not fit a need of theirs. Although as a fly ball pitcher he might work out alright as a starter in KC. Plus the AL Central kinda sucks in general. (See: Guthrie)

[weird-O]

When will fans learn to stop trying to trade our garbage for other team's gold? you want Butler? Better include Tillman and a quality prospect like Schoop or another good young pitcher like Britton or they will laugh at you

as a trade idea, I'd give Britton and Schoop for Butler. but I'd look for another quality prospect to replace Schoop in that deal. The reason is because the O's need someone for 2B. and he seems to be the best in-house option.

[durango46]

as a trade idea, I'd give Britton and Schoop for Butler. but I'd look for another quality prospect to replace Schoop in that deal. The reason is because the O's need someone for 2B. and he seems to be the best in-house option.

probably the only "real" in-house option we have at 2nd base.
I've always been a big Butler fan. Actually mentioned the Orioles making a play for him in some threads.

Hate to see them give up Britton. I still think this guy has what it takes to be a #2 or #3 type starter. But I would.

I like Tillman A LOT....but I think the Royals would want him in any deal for Butler.

We ready for a Tillman/Butler straight up deal ? Though I tend to agree with Anti....it will take Tillman and one more..

[weird-O]

probably the only "real" in-house option we have at 2nd base.
I've always been a big Butler fan. Actually mentioned the Orioles making a play for him in some threads.

Hate to see them give up Britton. I still think this guy has what it takes to be a #2 or #3 type starter. But I would.

I like Tillman A LOT....but I think the Royals would want him in any deal for Butler.

We ready for a Tillman/Butler straight up deal ? Though I tend to agree with Anti....it will take Tillman and one more..

I think I misunderstood Anti's post. I thought he was saying Tillman or Britton + Schoop.

I would have to think on it a bit, but Tillman for Butler is something I would consider. I may have to stand pat on that though. I don't think I would give Tillman and Schoop. but I'd think about it. Tillman had a nice 2nd half. but he showed signs of inconsistency. and after a few years in pro ball, he still hasn't put it together yet. where as Butler is established as a reliable hitter.

next you look at money. Butler is under team control thru 15. that doesn't scare me away either

[durango46]

I think I misunderstood Anti's post. I thought he was saying Tillman or Britton + Schoop.

I would have to think on it a bit, but Tillman for Butler is something I would consider. I may have to stand pat on that though. I don't think I would give Tillman and Schoop. but I'd think about it. Tillman had a nice 2nd half. but he showed signs of inconsistency. and after a few years in pro ball, he still hasn't put it together yet. where as Butler is established as a reliable hitter.

next you look at money. Butler is under team control thru 15. that doesn't scare me away either

As much as I hate to say this....and it ain't easy. I think I could handle another season of Flaherty and Andino at 2nd (if Roberts is done) to land Butler.

However, I don't know if I'm ready to give Tillman and Schoop both up for him.

[Jimmy Jazz]

Last season near the trading deadline the Royals said they'd have to be 'overwhelmed' to trade Butler. Not sure I'd describe any of the deals mentioned here as 'overwhelming'. Tillman + Britton or Schoop is closest.

[weird-O]

As much as I hate to say this....and it ain't easy. I think I could handle another season of Flaherty and Andino at 2nd (if Roberts is done) to land Butler.

However, I don't know if I'm ready to give Tillman and Schoop both up for him.

most trades sting a little. so I know what you mean.

consider this, Butler would essentially replace Reynolds. in that replacement you get a significantly higher BA (just shy of .100 pts higher last season), far fewer Ks, almost twice as many hits, a significantly higher OBP, significantly higher OPS and last year, BB had more HRs than MR.

and you get all this offense for $4M/yr rather than $8M (which is the min. the O's will have to pay MR)

this is consistent production from BB vs the quality pitching Tillman may provide.

it's not an easy decision given the difficulty in finding good pitchers.

if Schoop can equal the production of Andino/Flaherty and make up the offensive gap between BB & MR, then the trade isn't as necessary.

[maumau]

Last season near the trading deadline the Royals said they'd have to be 'overwhelmed' to trade Butler. Not sure I'd describe any of the deals mentioned here as 'overwhelming'. Tillman + Britton or Schoop is closest.

Why do people think the Royals are shopping Butler, who is not only one of their few performers but also a box office producer? If you want to be serious, start talking about throwing Adam Jones or Nick Markakis into the deal. Or maybe Hardy or Machado. Outside of fantassy leagues, players mean more than collections of dubious stats. Yes, there are lots of mediocre, interchangeable parts; but when you talk about key players, you're talking about the whole package. KC must be overwhelmed to think of moving Butler, a key player whom they have tied up for a couple more years.

[weird-O]

Why do people think the Royals are shopping Butler, who is not only one of their few performers but also a box office producer? If you want to be serious, start talking about throwing Adam Jones or Nick Markakis into the deal. Or maybe Hardy or Machado. Outside of fantassy leagues, players mean more than collections of dubious stats. Yes, there are lots of mediocre, interchangeable parts; but when you talk about key players, you're talking about the whole package. KC must be overwhelmed to think of moving Butler, a key player whom they have tied up for a couple more years.

while most of this is just discussion board fodder for the off season, I will make 1 point regarding your post (which is a good one). KC is in an eternal rebuilding phase. I can't help but think they would move anyone if it returned 2-3 good pieces.

[Jimmy Jazz]

Why do people think the Royals are shopping Butler, who is not only one of their few performers but also a box office producer? If you want to be serious, start talking about throwing Adam Jones or Nick Markakis into the deal. Or maybe Hardy or Machado. Outside of fantassy leagues, players mean more than collections of dubious stats. Yes, there are lots of mediocre, interchangeable parts; but when you talk about key players, you're talking about the whole package. KC must be overwhelmed to think of moving Butler, a key player whom they have tied up for a couple more years.

I don't think they are shopping him. But if someone made a good enough offer, I'm sure they'd consider it. I doubt the deals proposed here are good enough though.

[Morgan208]

KC need pitching, What if the O's get Billy Butler(first base and DH)
trade Jake Arrieta, Xavier Avery, Tommy Hunter or similar combination, Butler
would give the on base percentage guy. We could have a lineup of Mclouth, Markasis, Jones, Butler, Weiters, Hardy, Davis, Machado, Casilla(or Roberts)
if Roberts healthy he would leadoff.

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