Gun rights amendment passes easily

[slapshot]

How many people have to be saved by someone having a gun before you anti-gun nuts realize that guns save lives and protect property over 2 million times a year, often without a shot even being fired, as the mere presence of a firearm often ends the encounter.

Like the police? Ok, no problem.

But if you want to compare the statistics of those innocents that "were saved" by a gun packing bystander coming to their aide, to the number of innocents who get murdered every day by a disgruntled employee, a jealous spouse/lover, or a pissed-off teen, etc. - all who obtained the guns legally, I might add - you will lose that battle of numbers, and you will loose by a wide margin. Fact.

The life that is lost because a gun is not present is just as valuable as the life that is lost because a gun was present.

Absolutely. But in a society where compromises have to be made, I'm more than happy to error on the side that is supported by real world data (see above...and anytime you want to compare substantiated data, let me know?)....and the data clearly shows far more innocents are killed by guns, than there are innocents who are saved because a gun was present.

[dsummoner]

Those that don't feel capable of handling their personal individual liberties are free to find a government bootuterus into which they can crawl into. The civil liberties of others, however, are not on the bargaining table.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Should be "Gun" not "Guy". I am not the person who has to have a gun. Perhaps you are the one who should see a therapist.

Never actually "saw" a therapist, but I did date one for a while. Does that count?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Well the people had guns before the germans came in. So what does that have to do with gun laws in this country.

Really? What did the Polish Jews in the Warsaw ghetto do with theirs?

YOU are the one that referenced Europeans with guns prior to WWII.

[atomic]

Like the police? Ok, no problem.

But if you want to compare the statistics of those innocents that "were saved" by a gun packing bystander coming to their aide, to the number of innocents who get murdered every day by a disgruntled employee, a jealous spouse/lover, or a pissed-off teen, etc. - all who obtained the guns legally, I might add - you will lose that battle of numbers, and you will loose by a wide margin. Fact.




Absolutely. But in a society where compromises have to be made, I'm more than happy to error on the side that is supported by real world data (see above...and anytime you want to compare substantiated data, let me know?)....and the data clearly shows far more innocents are killed by guns, than there are innocents who are saved because a gun was present.

Or you could go to europe were there a lot less guns and you don't hear gunshots and constant ambulances and police sirens. some people never want to change their country for the better. Are cities are violent. We have a lot of income disparity. People without health care and you have all these people sticking to their failed policies like we have to keep our guns. No we don't. we have to get rid of them. we have to look at countries that have lesson violence, where people live longer, were there is less poverty and see what they are doing that we aren't doing.

I was in iceland a couple of months ago and I didn't see a police car or policeman for the first 5 days I was there. And guess what there is no crime. there is next to no traffic fatalities. men live longer than anywhere on earth. and guess what they have no handguns. they have no pollution. and they don't have poverty. You can continue to make this country a **** hole by insisting on stupid laws because you are afraid of your own shadow while making the rest of us have to suffer. Or you could do something and work towards improving the country.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Or you could go to europe were there a lot less guns and you don't hear gunshots and constant ambulances and police sirens. some people never want to change their country for the better. Are cities are violent. We have a lot of income disparity. People without health care and you have all these people sticking to their failed policies like we have to keep our guns. No we don't. we have to get rid of them. we have to look at countries that have lesson violence, where people live longer, were there is less poverty and see what they are doing that we aren't doing.

I was in iceland a couple of months ago and I didn't see a police car or policeman for the first 5 days I was there. And guess what there is no crime. there is next to no traffic fatalities. men live longer than anywhere on earth. and guess what they have no handguns. they have no pollution. and they don't have poverty. You can continue to make this country a **** hole by insisting on stupid laws because you are afraid of your own shadow while making the rest of us have to suffer. Or you could do something and work towards improving the country.

Whatever dude, if you don't like it don't bother to visit.

Afraid? What do we have to be afraid of? We're armed to the teeth.

Traffic fatalities? I doubt we'll be giving up our vehicles either.

We, the voting public of the United States, will decide this matter, not an outsider like yourself.

[atomic]

Whatever dude, if you don't like it don't bother to visit.

Afraid? What do we have to be afraid of? We're armed to the teeth.

Traffic fatalities? I doubt we'll be giving up our vehicles either.

We, the voting public of the United States, will decide this matter, not an outsider like yourself.

What are you talking about. I am from Baltimore. Can you even read. You are armed to the tooth because you are scared.

[Dryfire]

What?

Is this more NRA stupidity?

I hope you are aware that 9 out of the last 10 mass shooting events in this country, occurred in states that had no ban or restrictions on assault weapons. Coincidence? Furthermore, pretty much all of these mass shootings, according to FBI information, were perpetrated by "law abiding" citizens, with no prior felony convictions/charges.....AND, who obtained their assault weapons, LEGALLY.

Problem is - too many loons can gain access to weapons of mass murder, very easily. Not enough restrictions on folks who are mental, or just plain stupid.

Further, and until all states have identical restrictions, it's far to easy for the bad guy, or the good guy, for that mater, to take a short drive into the next state to get the weapon of their choice. Some of you gun nuts act like driving a few miles into another state, because the gun laws are more relaxed, is a big barrier. Foolish assumption.

Not NRA stupidity? Just the truth. Here are 3 of the 650 thousand plus references to the subject.

http://thedailypamphlet.com/gun-free...rica-7069.html

http://christopherdiarmani.com/5974/...-gunfree-zone/

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8456

[dsummoner]

Or you could go to europe were there a lot less guns and you don't hear gunshots and constant ambulances and police sirens. some people never want to change their country for the better. Are cities are violent. We have a lot of income disparity. People without health care and you have all these people sticking to their failed policies like we have to keep our guns. No we don't. we have to get rid of them. we have to look at countries that have lesson violence, where people live longer, were there is less poverty and see what they are doing that we aren't doing.

I was in iceland a couple of months ago and I didn't see a police car or policeman for the first 5 days I was there. And guess what there is no crime. there is next to no traffic fatalities. men live longer than anywhere on earth. and guess what they have no handguns. they have no pollution. and they don't have poverty. You can continue to make this country a **** hole by insisting on stupid laws because you are afraid of your own shadow while making the rest of us have to suffer. Or you could do something and work towards improving the country.

Perhaps, instead of engaging in fear driven anti-civil rights bigotry, you should look inward and correct your fiscal deficit in order to fund your grandiose spending delusions.

[regularguy]

We, the voting public of the United States, will decide this matter, not an outsider like yourself.

So if Maryland's "voting public" wants to keep their relatively-restrictive gun laws, that's ok with you?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

What are you talking about. I am from Baltimore. Can you even read. You are armed to the tooth because you are scared.

Yes, I can read. I can even use punctuation.
My bad.
It’s my mistake in assuming that you were a foreigner, instead of recognizing your writing style as product of many of our public schools.

Actually I need 13 more guns to be armed for all of my teeth. Or tooths as you apparently try to say.
And no, I'm not scared.

[Smokey 1]

So if Maryland's "voting public" wants to keep their relatively-restrictive gun laws, that's ok with you?

Not if it goes against the federal Constitution.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

So if Maryland's "voting public" wants to keep their relatively-restrictive gun laws, that's ok with you?

Dude, that's y'alls state.
Unless it violates rights specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
Anybody that doesn't like it, is free to move.
I hate to see people voluntarily give up personal liberty, but that's the way it works.

I see the Federal government guaranteeing rights vs. limiting them.
What I don't want to see is a Federal government trying to force draconian measures on the rest of us.

[regularguy]

Actually I need more 13 guns to be armed for all of my teeth.

Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to criticize a lack of grammatical perfection by others.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Like the police? Ok, no problem.

But if you want to compare the statistics of those innocents that "were saved" by a gun packing bystander coming to their aide, to the number of innocents who get murdered every day by a disgruntled employee, a jealous spouse/lover, or a pissed-off teen, etc. - all who obtained the guns legally, I might add - you will lose that battle of numbers, and you will loose by a wide margin. Fact.

Fact? Not Really.

Gary Kleck, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee and author of "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America" (Aldine de Gruyter, 1991), a book widely cited in the national gun-control debate. In an exclusive interview, Dr. Kleck revealed some preliminary results of the National Self- Defense Survey which he and his colleague Dr. Marc Gertz conducted in Spring, 1993. Kleck is satisfied that the survey's results confirm his analysis of previous surveys which show that American civilians commonly use their privately-owned firearms to defend themselves against criminal attacks, and that such defensive uses significantly outnumber the criminal uses of firearms in America. The survey, conducted by random telephone sampling of 4,978 households in all the states except Alaska and Hawaii, yield results indicating that American civilians use their firearms as often as 2.5 million times every year defending against a confrontation with a criminal, and that handguns alone account for up to 1.9 million defenses per year. Previous surveys, in Kleck's analysis, had underrepresented the extent of private firearms defenses because the questions asked failed to account for the possibility that a particular respondent might have had to use his or her firearm more than once.

You may be interested to know that Kleck is a member of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause, among other politically liberal organizations. He is also a lifelong registered Democrat. He is not and has never been a member of or contributor to the NRA, Handgun Control Inc., or any other advocacy group on either side of the gun-control issue, nor has he received funding for research from any such organization.

I realize it's a little older, but still relevant I believe.
But, you don't want to hear this so you will ignore or try to discredit it.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to criticize a lack of grammatical perfection by others.

Normally no, but it's obvious this guy's trolling.

Besides, I'm at work trying to draw on Autocad with one hand and use the keyboard on my Iphone with the other. The auto-check my Iphone is annoying sometimes. My mistake pales in comparison to this guy.

Mine is simply overload contributing to dyslexic inspired output.

I don't think this is the case with this dude.

[Phineas Finn]

Really? What did the Polish Jews in the Warsaw ghetto do with theirs?

YOU are the one that referenced Europeans with guns prior to WWII.

Unless the Polish Jews also had planes and tanks -- and a hell of a lot of those -- the end result would only have changed a little: They'd all be dead, but I see your point. Many of us would rather go out in a fight than in the "shower."

[Phineas Finn]

Because if you have a CCW permit, you've been warned, trained of what to expect in the aftermath of using your gun in self-defense. Even if you're completely in the right , it's more than likely gonna cost you a lot of money and time. Therefore, you avoid it.

Your posts on gun rights are far and away the very best on this forum. Please, keep up the effort because there's much to be learned from any who will listen to you.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Unless the Polish Jews also had planes and tanks -- and a hell of a lot of those -- the end result would only have changed a little: They'd all be dead, but I see your point. Many of us would rather go out in a fight than in the "shower."

On the history channel I saw a documentary on how the Jews in the 1943 uprising were able to inflict casualties on the German occupation forces. With most of the air and armor assets tied up against the growing Russian forces, the Jews were able to surprise the German forces and destroy several armored vehicles.

What happened next is unforgivable. Stalin had his army halt within a few miles of Warsaw to allow the Germans to kill the Jews in the ghetto because he was concerned that too many of the leaders were too friendly to the capitalist western powers.

Shortly after the revolt was crushed the Russian army "liberated" Warsaw.

It ranks right up there with the Katyn Forrest.

The Poles have been probably the best behaved country in Europe and look where it got them.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Your posts on gun rights are far and away the very best on this forum. Please, keep up the effort because there's much to be learned from any who will listen to you.

Thank you.

Clearly, I believe in the right to own & bear arms.
But we have to police ourselves and make sure people understand what their rights are, what their responsibilities are and just as importantly, understand where their rights end.

If people don't understand these things, they can survive the criminal assault and not effectively survive the following judicial and financial assault.

Zimmerman is an example of this.