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[OriginalColtsFan]

Sproles plays for the Saints.

Correct. I meant Turner.

[Ravens75]

Correct. I meant Turner.

No worries

[Rael]

Correct. I meant Turner.

Does that mean you meant Turner is "at least as good as Rice"? On the ground, perhaps, but Rice is a much more versatile weapon. He already has almost twice as many receiving yards halfway through this season than Turner has had in any full year.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Does that mean you meant Turner is "at least as good as Rice"? On the ground, perhaps, but Rice is a much more versatile weapon. He already has almost twice as many receiving yards halfway through this season than Turner has had in any full year.

Seriously? Turner racked up the most yards of any player in the NFL last year. He's also durable, and is a weapon on returns as well. Sproles is THE most versatile player since Slingin Sammy Baugh.

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Seriously? Turner racked up the most yards of any player in the NFL last year. He's also durable, and is a weapon on returns as well. Sproles is THE most versatile player since Slingin Sammy Baugh.

sproles punts and plays defense? who knew? you are not usually given to hyperbole...

[OriginalColtsFan]

sproles punts and plays defense? who knew? you are not usually given to hyperbole...

What are you talking about? He returns kicks, he doesn't KICK them.

I didn't say he WAS Slingin Sammy Baugh, did I?

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What are you talking about? He returns kicks, he doesn't KICK them.

I didn't say he WAS Slingin Sammy Baugh, did I?

Baugh was the most versatile player in history... at least according to Steve Sabol of NFL Films...Baugh played quarterback, tailback, cornerback, defensive tackle, he made punt and kickoff returns, and was a punter.

Baugh did everything and did it very well.....

while sproles is versatile, he's pretty much in the same category as Marshall Faulk, a multi-dimensional offensive and return threat...though Faulk was a better receiver....

[OriginalColtsFan]

Baugh was the most versatile player in history... at least according to Steve Sabol of NFL Films...Baugh played quarterback, tailback, cornerback, defensive tackle, he made punt and kickoff returns, and was a punter.

Baugh did everything and did it very well.....

while sproles is versatile, he's pretty much in the same category as Marshall Faulk, a multi-dimensional offensive and return threat...though Faulk was a better receiver....

Is Sproles more versatile than Rice?

[can you hear me now!]

Is Sproles more versatile than Rice?

if you want to throw in returns, yes...fortunately the Ravens aren't that reliant on one player....that Jones guy kind of looks like he has potential as a returner ;-)

[OriginalColtsFan]

if you want to throw in returns, yes...fortunately the Ravens aren't that reliant on one player....that Jones guy kind of looks like he has potential as a returner ;-)

Why would I NOT throw in returns, since Sproles returns, and returns well? (Especially since the discussion with the other poster was about whether or not Sproles was more versatile than Rice.)

[can you hear me now!]

I am agreeing with you...sproles (because the saints have a few more running backs) is more versatile because he returns kicks...however, the ravens don't need to have Rice return kicks...change the argument-- who is more valuable to his team...rice or sproles? rice hands down because he's an every down back...the saints have 4 running backs, none of whom you could point to as their primary back....

[OriginalColtsFan]

I am agreeing with you...sproles (because the saints have a few more running backs) is more versatile because he returns kicks...however, the ravens don't need to have Rice return kicks...change the argument-- who is more valuable to his team...rice or sproles? rice hands down because he's an every down back...the saints have 4 running backs, none of whom you could point to as their primary back....

As far as who is more valuable...since the Saints also have BREES, and a high power offense, Rice is more valuable, in some ways, to his team, if you care (which apparently you do) to make that argument.

[can you hear me now!]

As far as who is more valuable...since the Saints also have BREES, and a high power offense, Rice is more valuable, in some ways, to his team, if you care (which apparently you do) to make that argument.

I was pointing out there are many criteria for measuring players....I just picked that one as an example....

[Rael]

Seriously? Turner racked up the most yards of any player in the NFL last year. He's also durable, and is a weapon on returns as well. Sproles is THE most versatile player since Slingin Sammy Baugh.

The stats I'm looking at have Turner with 1340 on the ground and 168 receiving in 2011. Rice had 1364 on the ground and 740 receiving.

Wait a sec. It occurs to me that my sarcasm detector may be on the fritz...

[OriginalColtsFan]

The stats I'm looking at have Turner with 1340 on the ground and 168 receiving in 2011. Rice had 1364 on the ground and 740 receiving.

Wait a sec. It occurs to me that my sarcasm detector may be on the fritz...

Nope. It was another Turner/Sproles swap. I meant Sproles in that case, not Turner.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I was pointing out there are many criteria for measuring players....I just picked that one as an example....

Do you feel better now that you made your point?

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Do you feel better now that you made your point?

do you feel better having run this into the ground? I didn't realize you wanted to have the world go "YES" you are right....my bad....

[OriginalColtsFan]

do you feel better having run this into the ground? I didn't realize you wanted to have the world go "YES" you are right....my bad....

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Rael]

Nope. It was another Turner/Sproles swap. I meant Sproles in that case, not Turner.

Yes Sproles is a dynamic player. On the other hand, Rice had more yards on the ground than Sproles did rushing and receiving combined last year. In fact, this is true for every year that they both have played. While at the same time also having more receiving yards every single season to top it off. Yea, I know Sproles had many fewer attempts but that makes me wonder if he ever could be an every down back. It is hard to say that a player is that great with only one season of a combined rushing and receiving yards cracking 1000 and the rest not even coming that close. Rice, on the other hand, has half his seasons cracking 2000. Of course, we cannot compare return yards which is the biggest part of his game. Return yardage is a very good thing to have, but name me 5 players who are superstars because of their return game. The thing Sproles has done that others have not is manage to be a great return guy and still be a pretty good regular down player.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Yes Sproles is a dynamic player. On the other hand, Rice had more yards on the ground than Sproles did rushing and receiving combined last year. In fact, this is true for every year that they both have played. While at the same time also having more receiving yards every single season to top it off. Yea, I know Sproles had many fewer attempts but that makes me wonder if he ever could be an every down back. It is hard to say that a player is that great with only one season of a combined rushing and receiving yards cracking 1000 and the rest not even coming that close. Rice, on the other hand, has half his seasons cracking 2000. Of course, we cannot compare return yards which is the biggest part of his game. Return yardage is a very good thing to have, but name me 5 players who are superstars because of their return game. The thing Sproles has done that others have not is manage to be a great return guy and still be a pretty good regular down player.

And I bet if Sproles were a Raven, and Rice were a Saint, you'd come up with every reason in the world why Sproles is more valuable to the team. That's just the way Ravens fans seem to roll.