Romney was shell shocked after defeat

[zenwalk]

So the Republicans were behind Clinton all the way huh?

I'll bite. How do you get that from Pickles post?

[pickles]

So the Republicans were behind Clinton all the way huh?

How does that have to do w anything I just said.

I don't expect the GOP to be behind Obama all the way.

I expect them to SUPPORT HIM WHEN HE IMPLEMENTS THEIR IDEAS!!!!

And if they fail to do that, then yeah, I'll call it like it is: Obstruction simply for the sake of obstruction.

[SoSad]

Was Clinton's or Obama's HCR a Republican idea, yes or no? pickles, you jumped on board after Mike Evan's post I believe.

[pickles]

Was Clinton's or Obama's HCR a Republican idea, yes or no? pickles, you jumped on board after Mike Evan's post I believe.

Both parties have been trying to reform healthcare for a long time.

The model that Obama eventually went w, was a GOP proposal from the mid-90s, enacted by a GOP gov in the early 2000s.

So yeah, the ACA is really a Republican idea.

Then Obama did it, and suddenly it was unconstitutional and an assault on liberty and socialism.

Funny how that works!

[songfourone]

A stellar post! I agree.

Thanks for noticing

Sorry everyone else that is a private joke between SoSad and I LOL

[SoSad]

Both parties have been trying to reform healthcare for a long time.

The model that Obama eventually went w, was a GOP proposal from the mid-90s, enacted by a GOP gov in the early 2000s.

So yeah, the ACA is really a Republican idea.

Then Obama did it, and suddenly it was unconstitutional and an assault on liberty and socialism.

Funny how that works!

Obviously both have to be willing to work together, but I still say Clinton did an excellent job of doing so.

[SoSad]

Thanks for noticing

Sorry everyone else that is a private joke between SoSad and I LOL

Just want you to know I'm being fair...

[pickles]

Obviously both have to be willing to work together, but I still say Clinton did an excellent job of doing so.

Clinton gets credit, and so should Gingrich.

However, you do so the fundamental difference between Gingrich and the opposition that has been raised against Obama these last four years right?

When Obama implements Republican policy they attack him over it.

What is he supposed to do then?

[songfourone]

Just want you to know I'm being fair...

Ditto

[soulflower]

Obviously both have to be willing to work together, but I still say Clinton did an excellent job of doing so.

They worked together but didn't accomplish anything of substance.

[SoSad]

Clinton gets credit, and so should Gingrich.

However, you do so the fundamental difference between Gingrich and the opposition that has been raised against Obama these last four years right?

When Obama implements Republican policy they attack him over it.

What is he supposed to do then?

Well the finger-pinting has been helpful hasn't it? I suggest as CIC, he is better equipped to follow through, but I would think a truly transparent (as much as possible with proper security clearance of course) view to us may help shore up support from all American citizens. With that backing, he could then head to the Republicans and they would know he'd be 'reporting back to us' for lack of a better term.

[SoSad]

They worked together but didn't accomplish anything of substance.

Then why does Obama want to do what Clinton had done?

[soulflower]

Then why does Obama want to do what Clinton had done?

On what issue?

What did Clinton do? He passed Don't Ask Don't Tell, NAFTA, Wall St deregulation, DOMA, etc.

IMHO, Obama has spent more time trying to undo Clinton's mess than Bush's mess. Don't get me wrong, I like Bill Clinton but he governed as a moderate republican, not a democrat...

[SoSad]

They worked together but didn't accomplish anything of substance.

On what issue?

What did Clinton do? He passed Don't Ask Don't Tell, NAFTA, Wall St deregulation, DOMA, etc.

IMHO, Obama has spent more time trying to undo Clinton's mess than Bush's mess. Don't get me wrong, I like Bill Clinton but he governed as a moderate republican, not a democrat...

So Obama is undoing Clinton's mess. Okay, explain this:

LIMA, Ohio — In the final days of the campaign, President Obama has found a role model: Bill Clinton.
At every campaign stop in the waning days of the race, Mr. Obama has inserted a new reference to Mr. Clinton in his speeches, pointing to the 42nd president as the best example of a leader whose policies built a strong economy.

Now in Obama's words:

“His economic plan asked the wealthiest Americans to pay a little bit more so we could continue to invest in our people, continue to invest in ideas and innovation, invest in our infrastructure,” Mr. Obama said. “By the end of President Clinton's second term, America had created 23 million new jobs, and incomes were up and poverty was down, and our deficit became the biggest surplus in history. So our ideas were tried and tested, and they worked.”

Don't forget to read Axelrod's comments where he draws comparisons between Clinton and Obama.

[soulflower]

So Obama is undoing Clinton's mess. Okay, explain this:



Now in Obama's words:



Don't forget to read Axelrod's comments where he draws comparisons between Clinton and Obama.

What does that have to do with Obama cleaning up Clinton's mess? Is there anything factually wrong with what I posted? Did Clinton not sign NAFTA? Did he not deregulate the banks and Fannie and Freddie?

[SoSad]

What does that have to do with Obama cleaning up Clinton's mess? Is there anything factually wrong with what I posted? Did Clinton not sign NAFTA? Did he not deregulate the banks and Fannie and Freddie?

I'm not arguing those points. I realize that you don't want me to pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

You said that Clinton accomplish do anything of substance. I'm not typing the rest, just re-read it.

[soulflower]

I'm not arguing those points. I realize that you don't want me to pay attention to the man behind the curtain.

You said that Clinton accomplish do anything of substance. I'm not typing the rest, just re-read it.

He didn't. Clinton happened to be President at the time when the tech bubble and housing bubble were being inflated. If he helped create those bubbles he deserves some blame for the crash.

I think recently, Clinton has admitted that he regrets some of the deregulation of the banks that occurred on his watch...

[Mike Evans]

What does that have to do with Obama cleaning up Clinton's mess? Is there anything factually wrong with what I posted? Did Clinton not sign NAFTA? Did he not deregulate the banks and Fannie and Freddie?

Clinton deregulated the banks after he lost congress. That's why the banks failed.

[SoSad]

He didn't. Clinton happened to be President at the time when the tech bubble and housing bubble were being inflated. If he helped create those bubbles he deserves some blame for the crash.

I think recently, Clinton has admitted that he regrets some of the deregulation of the banks that occurred on his watch...

But I'm not talking about the deregulation of the banks. That's another subject altogether and unrelated to Obama. You're trying to deflect attention away from the issue.

Do you really think Axelrod and Obama were being sincere when campaigning? Do you think they meant to draw those comparisons? Now you have me wondering....

[Mike Evans]

But I'm not talking about the deregulation of the banks. That's another subject altogether and unrelated to Obama. You're trying to deflect attention away from the issue.

Do you really think Axelrod and Obama were being sincere when campaigning? Do you think they meant to draw those comparisons? Now you have me wondering....

They were talking about the Clinton tax rates