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    Default How will same~sex marriage have a negative impact on YOUR life?

    Seriously. How does it really affect anyone in a bad way or have a negative impact in any way on anyone's life, marriage, business, or...anything?

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    Now they'll stop calling me!

    Seriously I had them call me for My opinion, that's a Laugh!

    I told the gal I didn't care. She kept asking me for Yes or No and she just couldn't understand. "I'm Not FOR, I'm Not AGAINST and I'm Not Undecided, I just don't give a Rat's Patootie!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by octoburn View Post
    Seriously. How does it really affect anyone in a bad way or have a negative impact in any way on anyone's life, marriage, business, or...anything?
    if this bill had failed, how would that have a negative or bad impact on you, your life, marriage or business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
    if this bill had failed, how would that have a negative or bad impact on you, your life, marriage or business?
    Answering a question with a question, eh ?

    Trying to redirect the thread, eh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepfan View Post
    Answering a question with a question, eh ?

    Trying to redirect the thread, eh ?
    Hardly. My position on gay marriage has been stated, here for years. I just like debate, which is the point of this site, correct?

    IMO, it will have neither a negative nor positive individual effect on 90% of the population one way or the other. If the poster questions how such a seachange in thousand year old positive societal norms is a negative for the individual, then it's fair to ask how it negativly affects the individual if the change does not happen.

    My question relates directly to the thread and the OP's question. Explain how my post in any way redirects the thread....the thread about gay marriage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
    Hardly. My position on gay marriage has been stated, here for years. I just like debate, which is the point of this site, correct?

    IMO, it will have neither a negative nor positive individual effect on 90% of the population one way or the other. If the poster questions how such a seachange in thousand year old positive societal norms is a negative for the individual, then it's fair to ask how it negativly affects the individual if the change does not happen.

    My question relates directly to the thread and the OP's question. Explain how my post in any way redirects the thread....the thread about gay marriage...
    It doesn't respond to the thread question in any way whatsoever. The point of this site is to discuss and inform as well as to debate. I wanted to know to better understand some of the actual implications passage had on people in their lives in ways so that I might better understand the objection.

    I was tempted to vote against it myself because of the comments made earlier this year by Judge O'Malley and because of the treatment of the woman from Gallaudet as the result of releasing the names of those who signed the petition against it. Although legal, I thought it was an attempt at intimidation.

    Eventually I had to put aside that which I found objectionable and judge the issue in terms of fairness and not pettiness.

    I do understand religious objections of those who hold those beliefs. I was trying to better understand any reasons related to the question I asked.

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    "Eventually I had to put aside that which I found objectionable and judge the issue in terms of fairness and not pettiness"

    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octoburn View Post
    Seriously. How does it really affect anyone in a bad way or have a negative impact in any way on anyone's life, marriage, business, or...anything?
    It affects the society than I live in and my children grow up in. it affects what will be taught in school about marriage. How can a young impressionable child form any coherent idea of what marriage is? How can anything be considered out-of-bounds concerning marriage now?

    Marriage is the building block of society and civilization. Now it's been completely 'turned on its head'.

    Asking how it affects one personally is a poor rationale for supporting or opposing a public question. i can answer that the Iraq war does not impact me directly, still that should not prevent me from opposing the war with all of my might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octoburn View Post
    Seriously. How does it really affect anyone in a bad way or have a negative impact in any way on anyone's life, marriage, business, or...anything?
    I asked myself this question long ago and couldn't come up with an answer, that's why I switched my position and voted "For".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
    if this bill had failed, how would that have a negative or bad impact on you, your life, marriage or business?
    Well, if you're in any phase of the wedding industry, it would likely lessen your earnings potential. I read how lots of them are seeing some heavy demand increase in the coming months.

    And, if you happen to be gay, you could go on for a long time listing the negatives of it failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaggerJohn View Post
    It affects the society than I live in and my children grow up in. it affects what will be taught in school about marriage. How can a young impressionable child form any coherent idea of what marriage is? How can anything be considered out-of-bounds concerning marriage now?

    Marriage is the building block of society and civilization. Now it's been completely 'turned on its head'.

    Asking how it affects one personally is a poor rationale for supporting or opposing a public question. i can answer that the Iraq war does not impact me directly, still that should not prevent me from opposing the war with all of my might.
    First off, I don't think marriage is a hard concept for kids to get, but all that aside, it's not going to be taught to "young, impressionable kids" all of a sudden.

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    Dagger, you answer appears to start with the understanding that homosexuality is bad, or negative. Something that kids need to be protected from.
    I don't see it that way.
    I can agree with your point about how a person should not have to harmed personally to oppose something. But in my mind this law enhances many people's lives and encourages gay people to enter into long term monogamous marriages. Which is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bmoreteacher View Post
    First off, I don't think marriage is a hard concept for kids to get, but all that aside, it's not going to be taught to "young, impressionable kids" all of a sudden.
    Stepping outside our boxes is not easy. The resistance to gay marriage is not the same as racial or ethnic bigotry, in that all races and all ethnicities, since the dawn of Man have relied on the mother and father dynamic.

    Without that dynamic, no tribe or society can form or grow. That said, acceptance of diversity is critical to expand and interact. But at the core, male and female bonds are the base from which all societies, groups, tribes, and families stem from.

    Resistance to gay marriage may not be able to be explained in a way that you can relate to, but the resistance is entirely natural. And we'd be less than Human if there were no resitance.

    As a species, we are hard wired to procreate. It's absolutly critical to our existance. Anything that diverts from that is understandably going to meet some resitance. Nature is neither liberal or conservative, it simply is what it is.

    At this basic level, what seems fair and correct has little meaning. Unlike race hate and cultural discrimination, the very building block of any society or groups is the male and female interaction. It's the one truth that holds among every creature on this planet.

    IMO, the real issue is not about opposition or support, because at this point in time it's considered a rights issue. The abject denial of how life on this planet actually works (to our benefit) seems lost on the folks that demand an explanation of how this has a negative effect, from an individual perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaggerJohn View Post
    It affects the society than I live in and my children grow up in. it affects what will be taught in school about marriage. How can a young impressionable child form any coherent idea of what marriage is? How can anything be considered out-of-bounds concerning marriage now?

    Marriage is the building block of society and civilization. Now it's been completely 'turned on its head'.

    Asking how it affects one personally is a poor rationale for supporting or opposing a public question. i can answer that the Iraq war does not impact me directly, still that should not prevent me from opposing the war with all of my might.
    How has marriage been "completely turned on its head"? You make it sound like opposite-sex marriage has been banned. I have good news for you: it hasn't.

    People will still get married. Those who can and want to have children will, those who can't but still want children will find a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
    Stepping outside our boxes is not easy. The resistance to gay marriage is not the same as racial or ethnic bigotry, in that all races and all ethnicities, since the dawn of Man have relied on the mother and father dynamic.

    Without that dynamic, no tribe or society can form or grow. That said, acceptance of diversity is critical to expand and interact. But at the core, male and female bonds are the base from which all societies, groups, tribes, and families stem from.

    Resistance to gay marriage may not be able to be explained in a way that you can relate to, but the resistance is entirely natural. And we'd be less than Human if there were no resitance.

    As a species, we are hard wired to procreate. It's absolutly critical to our existance. Anything that diverts from that is understandably going to meet some resitance. Nature is neither liberal or conservative, it simply is what it is.

    At this basic level, what seems fair and correct has little meaning. Unlike race hate and cultural discrimination, the very building block of any society or groups is the male and female interaction. It's the one truth that holds among every creature on this planet.

    IMO, the real issue is not about opposition or support, because at this point in time it's considered a rights issue. The abject denial of how life on this planet actually works (to our benefit) seems lost on the folks that demand an explanation of how this has a negative effect, from an individual perspective.
    What in the world did that have to do with what I said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
    if this bill had failed, how would that have a negative or bad impact on you, your life, marriage or business?
    Close friends would not be allowed to marry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaggerJohn View Post
    It affects the society than I live in and my children grow up in. it affects what will be taught in school about marriage. How can a young impressionable child form any coherent idea of what marriage is? How can anything be considered out-of-bounds concerning marriage now?

    Marriage is the building block of society and civilization. Now it's been completely 'turned on its head'.

    Asking how it affects one personally is a poor rationale for supporting or opposing a public question. i can answer that the Iraq war does not impact me directly, still that should not prevent me from opposing the war with all of my might.
    You are worried that your kid will turn out gay? I hardly think having a law that allows same sex marriage will have any affect on whether you kids turns out to like same sex or opposite sex. If you are worried about how your kid views marriage than work on your own marriage. What they see everyday is where their opinions will be formed

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaggerJohn View Post
    It affects the society than I live in and my children grow up in. it affects what will be taught in school about marriage. How can a young impressionable child form any coherent idea of what marriage is? How can anything be considered out-of-bounds concerning marriage now?

    Marriage is the building block of society and civilization. Now it's been completely 'turned on its head'.
    As a straight male who grew up in a lesbian household, I can assure you that I had no problem understanding what marriage is/was. I've been blissfully married to my wife for 8 years, and anticipate that it will continue on for the foreseeable future. Your kids will be fine... Trust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Eternal White Belt View Post
    As a straight male who grew up in a lesbian household, I can assure you that I had no problem understanding what marriage is/was. I've been blissfully married to my wife for 8 years, and anticipate that it will continue on for the foreseeable future. Your kids will be fine... Trust me.
    Thanks for sharing your story. Some people worry about children growing up in same-sex households--they'll be gay or pressured to be gay, they'll be confused, they won't have male and female role models. At the risk of getting too personal, would you care to address those concerns? Thanks.

    May you and your wife have a long an happy life together!
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    Another reason I asked was because this area is going to promote itself as a destination for gay couples to get married. That would seem to actually help Maryland businesses, reduce the overall divorce rate to some extent, and strengthen family structure for those couples who might decide to settle down here.

    The most effective ad during this campaign for me was the one featuring the former~Baltimore County delegate where he talked about sitting across the table from gay friends and asking how could he deny them the opportunity to be happy in life. It was not "preach~y" and brought a personal perspective to such marriages that one could relate to in their own social exchanges and gatherings of friends and family.

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