Southern Israel under attack by Gaza rockets

[beeg jacques]

Did I say that? I don't think so.

The Zionist desire was for much more than the boundaries of the "partition".

Ben Gurion admitted as much:

http://meretzusa.blogspot.com/2006/1...tes-their.html
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The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today -- but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." P. 53, "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan


"Every school child knows that there is no such thing in history as a final arrangement -- not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements."
-- Ben Gurion, War Diaries, 12/03/1947 following Israel's "acceptance" of the U.N. Partition of 11/29/1947 (Simha Flapan, "Birth of Israel," p.13)


"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
-- David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

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The "partition" was just the foot-in-the-door for the Zionists. The Palestinians were doomed regardless.

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1. The fact remains that Ben Gurion and the Jewish Agency accepted the Partition, whereas the Arabs were resolutely against the establishment of any Jewish State regardless of it's size. That is why they launched a war to eradicate Israel.

2. Had the Arabs peacefully accepted the Partition, then an independent and self determining Palestinian Arab State would have celebrated it's 64th birthday this year. Instead, just as there was no Palestinian State ever in existence 64 years ago, there is still none today. And the same intransigence that rejected Israel all those years ago, is the same intransigence that has kept the Palestinian Arabs stateless to this very day.

3 . Daan appears to have left out additional facts from his linked sources which bring additional context beyond his all obsessive demonizing of only one country in existence:

Ben-Gurion was Israel's George Washington, and just as we know that Washington and other US founding fathers were slave-holders and that Washington destroyed the towns of the Iroquois, it's hard to find a founding father of any country born in war who did not order ruthless acts.

...But when I raised similar facts (and worse) about the man who would have been the Palestinians' George Washington, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem – who was actively allied with Hitler and advocated genocide against the Jews – [anti-Zionists] wouldn't hear of it, downplayed his role and called me nasty names. Not all but most of these quotes came after the Arabs had launched their violent efforts to crush the Yishuv in late '47 and then to destroy the State of Israel after its declaration of independence in May '48; it's not surprising that B-G would say some hyperbolic things after the Arabs had irrevocably shown their hand by launching their attacks.

more from Daan's pre-approved source

1. The Jews were engaged in a life or death struggle with the Arabs of Palestine, mostly because of the choice of the latter.
2. Selected quotes of one leader are not representative of an entire spectrum of parties and factions that equally saw themselves as "Zionist." (They might not even be so representative of his movement or even of him; they were uttered in times of extreme pressure.)
3. When is the bigotry, intolerance, ignorance and violence of the Arab world going to become PC for the left to examine honestly and completely?

[Daan]

3 . Daan appears to have left out additional facts from his linked sources which bring additional context beyond his all obsessive demonizing of only one country in existence:



more from Daan's pre-approved source

Additional Ben Gurion Quotes from the above link:

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"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." --Ben Gurion

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? ‘Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ' Drive them out! ' "
Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Partition: "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "
-- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.

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The UN Partition was never "accepted" by the Zionists. Expansion into all of Palestine and more was always the Plan.

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[Wizard777]

Israel Approved Killing of Hamas Commander Amid Talks on Long-Term Truce

Just hours before Israel assassinated Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari on Tuesday, he received the draft proposal of a permanent truce agreement with Israel. But Israel approved the airstrike anyways, choosing escalation over resolution.
Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped negotiate the release of Gilad Shalit and maintained contacts with Hamas leaders, said the truce agreement included protocols for maintaining a cease-fire in the case of cross-border violence between Israel and Gaza.
Baskin told Haaretz that senior officials in Israel knew about the pending truce agreement, but nevertheless approved the assassination, presumably knowing it would terminate the truce and escalate the conflict with Gaza.

With the Peace efforts continuously being sabotaged. I think we're done. Time to approve Palestines Observer State status. Then they can work it out at the ICJ and UN Security Council instead of shooting at each other.

[beeg jacques]

Additional Ben Gurion Quotes from the above link:

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"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." --Ben Gurion

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? ‘Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ' Drive them out! ' "
Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Partition: "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "
-- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.

End Quote


The UN Partition was never "accepted" by the Zionists. Expansion into all of Palestine and more was always the Plan.

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Actually, history clearly shows that the Jewish Agency did in fact accept the Partition, whereas the Arabs clearly rejected it.

The current existence of Israel, as well as the failure of the Arab countries to win their intended and stated war of extermination against Israel - are both proof of that.


Cheering on genocidal jihadists isn't going to change those facts. But just like the Palestinian Arab leadership, Daan and his jihadi enablers, aren't interested in the establishment of a Palestinian Arab State and a peaceful coexistence with Israel.

Their all-consuming obsession is the obliteration of the Jewish State.

Period.

Right, Daan?

BTW, The "driving the Palestinian population out" quote from Rabin's memoirs isn't quite as all encompassing as your abbreviated excerpt makes it out to be:

Clearly, we could not leave Lydda's hostile and armed populace in our rear, where it could endanger the supply route to the troops who were advancing eastward. ... Allon repeated the question: What is to be done with the population? Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture that said: Drive them out!

Would you mind explaining why you falsely present that memoir quote to represent a Ben Gurion order to expel all Palestinians from all of the Palestine region?

[TheResearcher]

The Israelis protect their children. The muslims use theirs as shields.

[SalisburySage]

The Arab mind is ultimately a cowardly mind. It knows only the authority of power. It responds only to might. The so called Palestinians are the architects of their own destruction and they have no one to blame but themselves.

[Jeebus]

The Arab mind is ultimately a cowardly mind. It knows only the authority of power. It responds only to might.

And in 24 hours, they'll understand it much better.

"Talks" and "cease fire" agreements only serve to allow them to regroup and re-arm themselves to launch their next cowardly terrorist act.

The so called Palestinians are the architects of their own destruction and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Exactly, and every civilian death or injury that occurs in Gaza is a direct result of their own actions. Stop firing rockets, stop getting a retaliatory airstrike.

[Jeebus]

The Israelis protect their children. The muslims use theirs as shields.

+100.

And then they parade the dead through the streets to gain sympathy via the international news media, when the deaths are only caused by themselves and their reliance on terrorism to advance their goals.

The cowardly mind of the terrorist jihadi has no limits on self-inflicted cruelty.

[Omaha Beach]

Wkdwzd and Jeebus are opposite sides of the same coin: people who call for death and destruction of others while they are safe and sound. This conflict will NEVER end and the course of this war could have easily been predicted when the UN divided Palestine. Two different peoples each think they are the rightful owners of the same land. One has the most powerful weapons the other has the more numerous population. Hopeless situation.

[bmore_ken]

The Israelis protect their children. The muslims use theirs as shields.

Man it's scary when you post something I agree with

[Wizard777]

From Netanuahu's UN Speech

This Iranian regime is fueled by an extreme fundamentalism that burst onto the world scene three decades ago after lying dormant for centuries. In the past thirty years, this fanaticism has swept the globe with a murderous violence and cold-blooded impartiality in its choice of victims. It has callously slaughtered Moslems and Christians, Jews and Hindus, and many others. Though it is comprised of different offshoots, the adherents of this unforgiving creed seek to return humanity to medieval times.

According to the newspaper Haaretz, Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai said the “goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.”

An unforgiving creed indeed is what you carry into this world. So Mr. Netanyahu we dub thee UNforgiven.

[Wizard777]

This is obviously no longer a legitimate military action to stop the rocket attacks. It's now morphed into a price tagging operation against civilians. The ground invasion is where Israel will make Palestinian civilian pay that most horrible price.

Israel Bombs Media Buildings In Gaza

Israeli airstrikes in Gaza early Sunday morning wounded at least eight journalists, Agence France-Presse reports.


The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) tweeted that the targets included "a communications facility" but later said it was a Hamas "communications antenna."

BBC reports that the two media buildings hit housed offices of Hamas TV as well as Sky News and Independent Television Network.

[beeg jacques]

IDF Pinpoint Strike on Hamas Operational Communications Infrastructure

The Israeli military says it targeted Hamas' communication infrastructure on the roof of the media centre in Gaza City, and no other other parts of the building

IDF Hijacks Hamas Radio, is Broadcasting Warnings to Gaza Population

...broadcasts were replaced with IDF radio playing messages of warning to Gaza’s residents, and announcing another stage in operation Pillar of Defense aimed at crippling Gaza’s terror infrastructure.

“Important notice to residents of the Gaza Strip,” said the broadcast, “Hamas is playing with fire and risking your lives in vain.”

“For the sake of your safety we call on you to obey our instructions and avoid getting too close to infrastructure and activists of Hamas,” warned the IDF.

[Jeebus]

Keep it up, Israel, keep pounding them. For every rocket that explodes in Israel, launch 20 airstrikes.

The only way to prevent these terrorist from launching rockets into your country in the future is to retaliate so severely they'll never forget.

Cowardly Hamas dogs only understand power and military might, they believe talks are for the weak.

Destroy their will, inflict such severe pain so this will never happens again.

[Joy in Mudville]

Actually, history clearly shows that the Jewish Agency did in fact accept the Partition, whereas the Arabs clearly rejected it.

Why should the majority population accept an effort by outside forces to partitian their land against their will?

I mean, would you expect them to respond any differently?

[SalisburySage]

IDF Pinpoint Strike on Hamas Operational Communications Infrastructure





IDF Hijacks Hamas Radio, is Broadcasting Warnings to Gaza Population

Wonderful. Even that jackass obama got on board today. Finally.

[kudzu]

Why should the majority population accept an effort by outside forces to partitian their land against their will?

I mean, would you expect them to respond any differently?

Nope, their original response was to be expected. But one would think they'd have seen the writing on the wall by now, some 60+ years later.

What would happen if the Native Americans demanded all their land back, and took up arms if the US government refused ?

btw - that area there was never actually "their" land. It was part of the Ottoman Empire until after WWI, then ceded to the British because the Turks chose the wrong side and lost.

Then the British ran it until 1948.

[beeg jacques]

Why should the majority population accept an effort by outside forces to partitian their land against their will?

I mean, would you expect them to respond any differently?

They didn't seem to have any problem when Britain cut away nearly 80 percent of the Mandate to create Jordan.

In any event the Arabs chose to reject the Partition which would have also created an independent and self determining Palestinian Arab State where none had ever existed before in history.

64 years later, they still have the same ultimate goal of eradicating Israel, and they still have no State.

Time to rethink that goal, wouldn't you agree?

[Joy in Mudville]

btw - that area there was never actually "their" land. It was part of the Ottoman Empire until after WWI, then ceded to the British because the Turks chose the wrong side and lost.

Try a little harder, they've been living on the land for thousands of years. In other words, they were there before the Ottomans came.

[BlandFood]

The Israelis protect their children. The muslims use theirs as shields.

.............or bomb carriers.