Southern Israel under attack by Gaza rockets

[Wizard777]

Try a little harder, they've been living on the land for thousands of years. In other words, they were there before the Ottomans came.

They were there before David became King of Israel. Goliath was a Philistine/Palestinian Soldier.

[Daan]

They didn't seem to have any problem when Britain cut away nearly 80 percent of the Mandate to create Jordan.

In any event the Arabs chose to reject the Partition which would have also created an independent and self determining Palestinian Arab State where none had ever existed before in history.

64 years later, they still have the same ultimate goal of eradicating Israel, and they still have no State.

Time to rethink that goal, wouldn't you agree?

You still spewing that propaganda and Hasbara BS?

"...the myth of Palestine's 'first partition' has become part of the concept of 'Greater Israel' and of the ideology of Jabotinsky's Revisionist movement."

Just for you (again):
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showpos...3&postcount=25

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[Daan]

The Israelis protect their children. The muslims use theirs as shields.

The IDF use Gaza's children as human shields.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/two-idf-...a-war-1.264652

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[Phoenix]

Egypt watch what you do and how you do it," said Sen. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You're teetering with the Congress on having your aid cut off if you keep inciting violence between the Israelis and the Palestinians."

Cutting off aid to nations supporting Hamas is one way to help balance the U.S. budget.

[beeg jacques]

You still spewing that propaganda and Hasbara BS?

"...the myth of Palestine's 'first partition' has become part of the concept of 'Greater Israel' and of the ideology of Jabotinsky's Revisionist movement."

Just for you (again):
http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showpos...3&postcount=25

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Daan gets angry so very easily.

Removal of Transjordan and Golan from the British Mandate for Palestine

Britain ruled Palestine or parts of it from November 1917, under military rule. The mandate government did not take effect until 1922. By that time, the British Foreign Office was under some pressure from Arabs and their supporters and was having second thoughts about the national home for the Jews. Britain's first act was to split off 78% of the land from the mandate without consulting the League of Nations and to create Transjordan, as shown at right. Another bit of the mandate was removed in 1923, in an agreement with France that gave the entire Golan heights to mandatory Syria.

[beeg jacques]

Hamas openly bragging about using women and children as human shields

[kudzu]

Try a little harder, they've been living on the land for thousands of years. In other words, they were there before the Ottomans came.

Sure, just like the Native Americans were here before we were. So I'll ask again:

What would happen if the Native Americans demanded all their land back, and took up arms if the US government refused ?

[Jeebus]

Try a little harder, they've been living on the land for thousands of years. In other words, they were there before the Ottomans came.

They were there before David became King of Israel. Goliath was a Philistine/Palestinian Soldier.

Tell it to the Navajo, the Seminole, the Apache, the Cherokee, the Inuit, etc.

Doesn't matter who had the land first, the only thing that matters is:

• Who has it now? and
• Can they defend it to keep it?

The answers are:

• Israel, and
• Yes.

Would all the Hamas terrorist apologists here support the Piscataway Tribe firing rockets into Waldorf in some vain attempt to regain possession of Southern MD?

And would they condemn the MD National Guard or State Police for protecting the citizens by firing back at the aggressors to stop it?

[Phoenix]

Hamas Covenant 1988

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).”

No peaceful, organized religion nor peaceful nation, to the best of my knowledge, encourages, promotes and fosters such words of hatred. That part of the Hamas Covenant does truly appear to be a covenant with Satan.

[Wizard777]

Tell it to the Navajo, the Seminole, the Apache, the Cherokee, the Inuit, etc.

Doesn't matter who had the land first, the only thing that matters is:

• Who has it now? and
• Can they defend it to keep it?

The answers are:

• Israel, and
• Yes.

Would all the Hamas terrorist apologists here support the Piscataway Tribe firing rockets into Waldorf in some vain attempt to regain possession of Southern MD?

And would they condemn the MD National Guard or State Police for protecting the citizens by firing back at the aggressors to stop it?

You got your wires crossed on that one. According to Israel's position the Piscataway Tribe would be entirely justified in using Asymetrical warefare againt Southern MD to regain possession of their ancestoral homeland. Just like a bunch of Jewish Russian expatriots did to the Palestinians over 60 years ago.

[Daan]

Daan gets angry so very easily.

Removal of Transjordan and Golan from the British Mandate for Palestine

Angry? Nope, I actually enjoy it when you demonstrate your ignorance.

Your hasbara BS is wrong again.

From the link I provided in post#282:

Bernard Wasserstein: "Bernard Wasserstein is an expert on the Middle East, and modern Jewish issues in particular."
http://experts.uchicago.edu/experts.php?id=159

Israelis and Palestinians: Why Do They Fight? Can They Stop?
Bernard Wasserstein, 2003, pp. 105-106.:

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"In a telegram to the Foreign Office summarizing the conclusions of the [San Remo] conference, the Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, stated: 'The boundaries will not be defined in Peace Treaty but are to be determined at a later date by principal Allied Powers.' When Samuel set up the civil mandatory government in mid-1920 he was explicitly instructed by Curzon that his jurisdiction did not include Transjordan. Following the French occupation in Damascus in July 1920, the French, acting in accordance with their wartime agreements with Britain refrained from extending their rule south into Transjordan. That autumn Emir Faisal's brother, Abdullah, led a band of armed men north from the Hedjaz into Transjordan and threatened to attack Syria and vindicate the Hashemites' right to overlordship there. Samuel seized the opportunity to press the case for British control. He succeeded. In March 1921 the Colonial Secretary, Winston Churchill, visited the Middle East and endorsed an arrangement whereby Transjordan would be added to the Palestine mandate, with Abdullah as the emir under the authority of the High Commissioner, and with the condition that the Jewish National Home provisions of the Palestine mandate would not apply there. Palestine, therefore, was not partitioned in 1921-1922. Transjordan was not excised but, on the contrary, added to the mandatory area. Zionism was barred from seeking to expand there - but the Balfour Declaration had never previously applied to the area east of the Jordan. Why is this important? Because the myth of Palestine's 'first partition' has become part of the concept of 'Greater Israel' and of the ideology of Jabotinsky's Revisionist movement.

End Quote


Bernard Wasserstein is an acknowledged expert on the subject. You, not so much (in fact not at all).

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[beeg jacques]

Angry? Nope, I actually enjoy it when you demonstrate your ignorance.

Your hasbara BS is wrong again.

From the link I provided in post#282:

Bernard Wasserstein: "Bernard Wasserstein is an expert on the Middle East, and modern Jewish issues in particular."
http://experts.uchicago.edu/experts.php?id=159

Israelis and Palestinians: Why Do They Fight? Can They Stop?
Bernard Wasserstein, 2003, pp. 105-106.:

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"In a telegram to the Foreign Office summarizing the conclusions of the [San Remo] conference, the Foreign Secretary, Lord Curzon, stated: 'The boundaries will not be defined in Peace Treaty but are to be determined at a later date by principal Allied Powers.' When Samuel set up the civil mandatory government in mid-1920 he was explicitly instructed by Curzon that his jurisdiction did not include Transjordan. Following the French occupation in Damascus in July 1920, the French, acting in accordance with their wartime agreements with Britain refrained from extending their rule south into Transjordan. That autumn Emir Faisal's brother, Abdullah, led a band of armed men north from the Hedjaz into Transjordan and threatened to attack Syria and vindicate the Hashemites' right to overlordship there. Samuel seized the opportunity to press the case for British control. He succeeded. In March 1921 the Colonial Secretary, Winston Churchill, visited the Middle East and endorsed an arrangement whereby Transjordan would be added to the Palestine mandate, with Abdullah as the emir under the authority of the High Commissioner, and with the condition that the Jewish National Home provisions of the Palestine mandate would not apply there. Palestine, therefore, was not partitioned in 1921-1922. Transjordan was not excised but, on the contrary, added to the mandatory area. Zionism was barred from seeking to expand there - but the Balfour Declaration had never previously applied to the area east of the Jordan. Why is this important? Because the myth of Palestine's 'first partition' has become part of the concept of 'Greater Israel' and of the ideology of Jabotinsky's Revisionist movement.

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Bernard Wasserstein is an acknowledged expert on the subject. You, not so much (in fact not at all).

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Daan has already had at least two opportunities to disprove the fact that Jordan was created out of nearly 80 percent of the Mandate.

Since he (and his source) both admit that Transjordan was part of the Palestine Mandate, perhaps he could tell the forum where the Arab country of Jordan came from - if not from the area under the Mandate. And prior to WW1 and the Mandate period, who had legal ownership of that area?

[Joy in Mudville]

You got your wires crossed on that one. According to Israel's position the Piscataway Tribe would be entirely justified in using Asymetrical warefare againt Southern MD to regain possession of their ancestoral homeland. Just like a bunch of Jewish Russian expatriots did to the Palestinians over 60 years ago.

Yeah, the Israeli's are kind of the Indians in this metaphor, claiming a right to other people's land because some of their ancestors lived there 1700 years ago.

[Joy in Mudville]

Sure, just like the Native Americans were here before we were. So I'll ask again:

Thank you for voluntarily ceding Israel's moral authority in the argument.

[ivanbalt]

Yeah, the Israeli's are kind of the Indians in this metaphor, claiming a right to other people's land because some of their ancestors lived there 1700 years ago.

Israel isn't a claiming a right to anything, they already have their state. That will not change no matter how much people hope.

The Palestinians are claiming a right to land that they already rejected once for a state.

[kudzu]

Thank you for voluntarily ceding Israel's moral authority in the argument.

I'm not talking moral authority, I'm talking reality.

Like it or not, Israel exists. And they've got the right to defend themselves.

Just like we (the US) would if the Native Americans rose up in armed revolt.

Even though they got royally screwed by the creation / expansion of the US.

[veritas]

Yeah, the Israeli's are kind of the Indians in this metaphor, claiming a right to other people's land because some of their ancestors lived there 1700 years ago.

Jews made up 30% of the population in 1947. They had also been living on these lands for centuries. The idea that all the Jews suddenly showed up from Europe after WWII is an inaccurate one.

[veritas]

Here's the UN partition plan from 1947. The Arabs would have had all of Gaza and most of the West Bank as well as Jaffa. Jerusalem would have been shared with the Israelis. It was not a bad deal for them.


http://mideastweb.org/un_palestine_p...n_map_1947.htm

[CajunRaven]

From Netanuahu's UN Speech





An unforgiving creed indeed is what you carry into this world. So Mr. Netanyahu we dub thee UNforgiven.

Actually, Gaza would be moving forward were it to make the middle ages.

[Wizard777]

Jews made up 30% of the population in 1947. They had also been living on these lands for centuries. The idea that all the Jews suddenly showed up from Europe after WWII is an inaccurate one.

Here's the problem with that. Netanyahu is the first Prime Minister that was born in Israel. But he was raised in Cheltenham, Pa. USA. All the others were born in the USSR or "Palestine."