Southern Israel under attack by Gaza rockets

[Joy in Mudville]

The Palestinian Arab leadership have either rejected or ignored opportunities for Statehood and peaceful coexistence.

Bull ca ca!

Arabs and Jews had a peaceful coexistence for centuries throughout the Middle East. Why do you think the violence started after World War I? It was the influx of Zionists and the Palestinian realization that the mandate was about the take away a disproportionate amount of their land.

This was happening before WWII and crystalized again in the immediate aftermath of the partition.

[beeg jacques]

Bull ca ca!

Arabs and Jews had a peaceful coexistence for centuries throughout the Middle East. Why do you think the violence started after World War I? It was the influx of Zionists and the Palestinian realization that the mandate was about the take away a disproportionate amount of their land.

This was happening before WWII and crystalized again in the immediate aftermath of the partition.

Despite your claims, the the Palestinian Arabs still have no state, and still have the ultimate goal of seeing the Jewish State go bye-bye.

The former is due to the Palestinians Arabs rejecting more than one opportunity to achieve Statehood, because the latter is the true goal.

[Phoenix]

"We want to tell the world which is supporting the state of Israel, what this state is doing," said neighbor Rushdie Nasser. "They are supporting a state that kills children ... We want to send a message to the U.N. and the West: Enough of supporting the Zionists, who are killing children."

And the world’s response?

Stop trying to step on the tail of the tiger with terror rockets.

Stop trying to kill Israelites if you want to live.

[veritas]

It's not a question of where they should go it is a question of where they shouldn't go. The real politik is that Israel exists. If Israel wants to peacefully co-exist with the countries surrounding it it should halt the settlements in the west bank and give up it's claims on jerusalem as the capital. People who have settled in the areas designated as a future Palestinian state should be reimbursed but it should be made clear that they will not be under Israeli protection.

If Israel took these steps it would be officially recognized by Saudi Arabia and a host of other countries in the region. This is the road map. Until Israel takes these steps they will continue to face resistance and occasional military strikes from the Palestinians in the west bank and Southern Lebanon and they will also risk sparking a larger regional war.

And if you think that this is giving too much it is important to remember that this country was imposed upon the people of the region and a formal recognition would be a very bitter pill to swallow.

I have grave doubts that the Palestinians would accept this plan. They were offered three quarters of the West Bank with the rest to follow in 2000 at Camp David and rejected it. However, the real sticking point was Jerusalem. Neither side will budge an inch on that. The Palestinians must realize that firing rockets into Israel or trying to take them on militarily is a losing proposition. Make better lives for your people instead giving them a lifetime of poverty and war.

[Contumacious]

Stop Pretending the US Is an Uninvolved, Helpless Party in the Israeli Assault on Gaza

The Obama administration's unstinting financial, military and diplomatic support for Israel is a key enabling force in the conflict

Literally each day since the latest attacks began, the Obama administration has expressed its unqualified support for Israel's behavior. Just two days before the latest Israeli air attacks began, Obama told Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmud Abbas "that his administration opposes a Palestinian bid for non-state membership of the UN". Both the US Senate and House have already passed resolutions unequivocally supporting Israel, thus earning the ultimate DC reward: the head-pat from Aipac, which "praised the extraordinary show of support by the Senate for Israel's struggle against terrorist attacks on its citizens". More bipartisan Congressional cheerleading is certain to come as the attacks continue, no matter how much more brutal they become."

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[Jeebus]

Stop Pretending the US Is an Uninvolved, Helpless Party in the Israeli Assault on Gaza

The Obama administration's unstinting financial, military and diplomatic support for Israel is a key enabling force in the conflict

Literally each day since the latest attacks began, the Obama administration has expressed its unqualified support for Israel's behavior. Just two days before the latest Israeli air attacks began, Obama told Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmud Abbas "that his administration opposes a Palestinian bid for non-state membership of the UN". Both the US Senate and House have already passed resolutions unequivocally supporting Israel, thus earning the ultimate DC reward: the head-pat from Aipac, which "praised the extraordinary show of support by the Senate for Israel's struggle against terrorist attacks on its citizens". More bipartisan Congressional cheerleading is certain to come as the attacks continue, no matter how much more brutal they become."

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In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.

Support Israel, defeat Jihad.

[Contumacious]

In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.

Support Israel, defeat Jihad.

Very interrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrresting

Adolf Hitler concluded that the Juden were an enemy of the state. He then decided that in a war btween the zionists and the Aryans he had to support the latter.

I take it that you would conclude that Adolf was right, eh?

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[Phoenix]

In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.

Support Israel, defeat Jihad.

I am, I am.

[ivanbalt]

No, the Palestinians didn't reject the land, the land was theirs. They were living on it. They rejected the UN's decision to take half their land away. Let's not mischaracterize what happened.

They were living on Ottoman Empire land.

[ericpd]

When was the invasion of Palestine? I think I missed that in history class

Yeah,... you missed it bmore! You had to be in school BEFORE they changed all the globs in the libraries and the books on the shelves!

[ericpd]

Except the so called Native Americans were basically nomads who had no conception of ownership of land. They moved with the seasons to different locations. I say so called because my definition of a Native American is anyone born here. Their ancestors just got here before ours did.

Don't engage him in irrelavance,... that's what he wants. That's his backdoor out of the logic dead end he finds himself in.

[bmore_ken]

Yeah,... you missed it bmore! You had to be in school BEFORE they changed all the globs in the libraries and the books on the shelves!

When was the Jewish invasion of Palestine? I recall the British ran the area, the Ottomans before them, probably the Romans before then, not sure. What year did the Jewish Army invade Palestine?

[veritas]

They were living on Ottoman Empire land.

Of course, and said empire was in its death throes even before WWI polished it off. There was no Palestininan state as such, not then, not now. Once the victors took control, they did what they thought right. Such are the perquisites of victory.

[zenwalk]

Of course, and said empire was in its death throes even before WWI polished it off. There was no Palestininan state as such, not then, not now. Once the victors took control, they did what they thought right. Such are the perquisites of victory.

Semitic semantics. Either there were people there or not.

[veritas]

Semitic semantics. Either there were people there or not.

That's beside the point isn't it? There were people in lots of places throughout history and they got shuttled around as a result of the outcomes of wars. This was no different. The fact is that the people who are there are going to remain there and until the Palestinians accept that fact, they will continue to lead a life of squalor and misery.

[uche]

That's beside the point isn't it? There were people in lots of places throughout history and they got shuttled around as a result of the outcomes of wars. This was no different. The fact is that the people who are there are going to remain there and until the Palestinians accept that fact, they will continue to lead a life of squalor and misery.

An opinion from someone else I thought would be interesting:
The US is ill-equipped to be a power for peace in the Middle East. It’s a conflict of interest because we are too tilted towards Israel to deal fairly with the Palestinians. The people see this and the world knows this. One would wish that we were impartial, but sadly, that’s not the case. Of all the nations on earth, the US scapegoats the Arabs in general and the Palestinians in particular, the most. This fact is clearly pointed out in polls after polls. This country almost always stands up for the underdog. Uniquely, in Israel, this is not the case. We are brainwashed from birth to follow this ungodly folly as the foolish folks followed Jim Jones to Guyana. Three hundred and four children were led as lambs to the slaughter. I suggest that as much as ninety-nine percent of what we lay at God’s feet is not of His making, doing or thinking.

Let’s say marauding gang comes out of nowhere and attacks your neighborhood, raping your women, slaughters your family and takes your home, telling you that their god told them to do it. How many millions of years would it take for you to accept it? Another question: Where on earth can a person abandon his home for some two thousand years and then come back killing people and destroying property claiming that he is justified because he wants his house back? I tell you that, nowhere on earth is this behavior acceptable, except in Palestine. It absolutely continues to baffle me that so called intelligent people can believe that God is this inept. Surely, it is true that ignorance is bliss. Otherwise, I beg people to study all things and prove all things, which is a wise saying from the Bible.

[veritas]

An opinion from someone else I thought would be interesting:
The US is ill-equipped to be a power for peace in the Middle East. It’s a conflict of interest because we are too tilted towards Israel to deal fairly with the Palestinians. The people see this and the world knows this. One would wish that we were impartial, but sadly, that’s not the case. Of all the nations on earth, the US scapegoats the Arabs in general and the Palestinians in particular, the most. This fact is clearly pointed out in polls after polls. This country almost always stands up for the underdog. Uniquely, in Israel, this is not the case. We are brainwashed from birth to follow this ungodly folly as the foolish folks followed Jim Jones to Guyana. Three hundred and four children were led as lambs to the slaughter. I suggest that as much as ninety-nine percent of what we lay at God’s feet is not of His making, doing or thinking.

Let’s say marauding gang comes out of nowhere and attacks your neighborhood, raping your women, slaughters your family and takes your home, telling you that their god told them to do it. How many millions of years would it take for you to accept it? Another question: Where on earth can a person abandon his home for some two thousand years and then come back killing people and destroying property claiming that he is justified because he wants his house back? I tell you that, nowhere on earth is this behavior acceptable, except in Palestine. It absolutely continues to baffle me that so called intelligent people can believe that God is this inept. Surely, it is true that ignorance is bliss. Otherwise, I beg people to study all things and prove all things, which is a wise saying from the Bible.

Uh, Israel is the underdog. There are 7 million of them and 260 million Arabs surrounding them. Without the US, they'd be destroyed.

[zenwalk]

That's beside the point isn't it? There were people in lots of places throughout history and they got shuttled around as a result of the outcomes of wars. This was no different. The fact is that the people who are there are going to remain there and until the Palestinians accept that fact, they will continue to lead a life of squalor and misery.

They just aren't enough like us are they? Perpetual War is a lousy idea even if you disapprove of the way one side lives.

[Joy in Mudville]

They were living on Ottoman Empire land.

They were living on the land long before the Ottoman Empire arrived in the 13th and 14th centuries.

But don't take my word for it...

"We have forgotten one small matter: There is in our beloved land an entire nation, which has occupied it for hundreds of years and has never thought to leave it."

- Yitzhak Epstein 1907

"Assuming that this number is correct, even if we deduct from it 80.000 Jews , there are still over half a million Arabs in our its land, 80 percent of whom support themselves exclusively by farming and own all the arable land. The time has come to dispel the misconceptions among the Zionists that land in Palestine lies uncultivated for lack of working hands or laziness of the local residents. There are no deserted fields. "

http://qumsiyeh.org/yitzhakepstein/

[veritas]

They just aren't enough like us are they? Perpetual War is a lousy idea even if you disapprove of the way one side lives.

The Palestinian leadership is leading its people to misery with this pipedream that they can drive out the Israelis. As long as they refuse to see that idea for the fanatical fairytale that it is, they will suffer.