Voter ID push backfires on Republicans in Ohio

[soulflower]

Black Vote in Ohio Fueled by Voter-ID Bills:

For African-Americans in Ohio, coming out to vote during this election was personal. Many saw the state’s voter-ID bills as a direct threat to rights denied their ancestors decades earlier. Fueled as much by angst against the ID mandate as enthusiasm for a black president, African-Americans voted at a rate so much higher than 2008 that they may have been the decisive voting bloc.

President Obama captured Ohio, arguably the most important battleground state, thanks to record African-American turnout. The Resurgent Republic, an independent not-for-profit organization that gauges public opinion, pointed out, “If African-American turnout was in line with 2008, Romney would have won Ohio,” according to Politico.
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In a way, the Ohio surge represented a movement, shared by blacks in other states, to preserve the vote, a right denied only a few generations ago to grandparents or great-grandparents of many of these voters. In 2008, blacks came out in large numbers during that historic election for a chance to elect the first black president. “This time around, it was widely to protect the vote,” Williams explained. “We know our history. When voter-suppression laws increased, people saw a way to hold on to what we had.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/thene...bills-20121112

[can you hear me now!]

the same thing happened in PA and FL......the rupignican governor's and repugnican led state houses did not hide their attempts...in fact, some were fairly arrogant about it, like Turzai in PA....maybe these attempts and the mucking with early voting will lead to a national standard for registration and voting....after all, we are taking about a constitutionally guaranteed right...

[soulflower]

the same thing happened in PA and FL......the rupignican governor's and repugnican led state houses did not hide their attempts...in fact, some were fairly arrogant about it, like Turzai in PA....maybe these attempts and the mucking with early voting will lead to a national standard for registration and voting....after all, we are taking about a constitutionally guaranteed right...

It only led to higher enthusiasm for black and latino voters

[gonzoliberal]

It only led to higher enthusiasm for black and latino voters

By constantly underestimating the intellectual sophistication of "other" races, the Pubbies are making themselves obsolete.

[kandace]

By constantly underestimating the intellectual sophistication of "other" races, the Pubbies are making themselves obsolete.

Right wingers have been so used to discounting minorities in general and AAs in particular that they lack the social ability to treat such people with a two faced modicrum of respect.

[soulflower]

Ohio was one state where the public polls were wrong.

The final result, 1.6 points for Obama, was much closer than the 3 point margin that the polls showed. If Obama got the same level of support from black voters as he got in 2008, he would have lost Ohio. The voter fraud/suppression stuff motivated blacks in Ohio to turn out in droves...

[cprenegade]

That doesn't make any sense at all. Do you really believe people who weren't going to vote all of the sudden said "Hey, they want to make us get voter id's....we'll show them, let's go vote." That's laughable. Turnout might have been higher in Ohio and other states, but there were other factors that motivated people to vote. Besides, that's a pretty weak statement on the president's victory. The only reason he won was because republicans pursued vote id laws? Not much of a mandate there, is it? I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

[soulflower]

That doesn't make any sense at all. Do you really believe people who weren't going to vote all of the sudden said "Hey, they want to make us get voter id's....we'll show them, let's go vote." That's laughable. Turnout might have been higher in Ohio and other states, but there were other factors that motivated people to vote. Besides, that's a pretty weak statement on the president's victory. The only reason he won was because republicans pursued vote id laws? Not much of a mandate there, is it? I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

Bush said he had a mandate after being reelected with 286 electoral votes. In 2004, gay marriage was a major issue that motivated voters who supported Bush.

Obama won with 332 electoral votes and a larger margin than Bush in the popular vote. So he definitely has a mandate.

[cprenegade]

Bush said he had a mandate after being reelected with 286 electoral votes. In 2004, gay marriage was a major issue that motivated voters who supported Bush.

Obama won with 332 electoral votes and a larger margin than Bush in the popular vote. So he definitely has a mandate.

My statement on a mandate was meant to show how absurd it is to believe the only reason people who were not intending to vote went out and voted was because they were threatened with voter id laws. It would not say much for their support of their candidate if that was true. The truth is that in today's political world, you don't have a mandate unless you have both houses of congress as well as the presidency. Obama had a mandate in his first term, and he used it to push through healthcare. But now, without a majority of congress, he won't get what he wants passed unless he is willing to give up some things to get it. Bush beat Dukakis 426-111, but a lot of good that "mandate" did him when he wanted to get his budget passed. The democrats held their line in the sand until he added a tax increase. I expect the same will happen now.

[soulflower]

My statement on a mandate was meant to show how absurd it is to believe the only reason people who were not intending to vote went out and voted was because they were threatened with voter id laws. It would not say much for their support of their candidate if that was true. The truth is that in today's political world, you don't have a mandate unless you have both houses of congress as well as the presidency. Obama had a mandate in his first term, and he used it to push through healthcare. But now, without a majority of congress, he won't get what he wants passed unless he is willing to give up some things to get it. Bush beat Dukakis 426-111, but a lot of good that "mandate" did him when he wanted to get his budget passed. The democrats held their line in the sand until he added a tax increase. I expect the same will happen now.

I get what you're saying but elections are decided by people who are not partisan and don't follow politics as closely as you and I. Even if only a small minority of unlikely voters were motivated by the Voter ID issue, it may have been enough to give Obama the margin he needed to win. He won Ohio by just over 100,000 votes.

Obama has a mandate and he has leverage because he doesn't have to worry about running for office again. He's in a strong position. He can call his political opponents' bluff...

[Mom49of4]

Or the gridlock may continue.

[Balmerboh]

By constantly underestimating the intellectual sophistication of "other" races, the Pubbies are making themselves obsolete.

So then, if everyone is sophisticated, will dems not object to voter ID laws?

Again, hopefully Obama will have a great second term. It's certainly possible given cyclical nature of economy but Look in some Philly precincts, there were 59,000+ votes for Obama and 0 for Romney. Zero. That's either raging hateful racism or some fraudulent ballot issue. Take your pick.

[BlandFood]

So then, if everyone is sophisticated, will dems not object to voter ID laws?

Again, hopefully Obama will have a great second term. It's certainly possible given cyclical nature of economy but Look in some Philly precincts, there were 59,000+ votes for Obama and 0 for Romney. Zero. That's either raging hateful racism or some fraudulent ballot issue. Take your pick.

Out of 59K you would think at least one ignorant buffoon would have accidentally voted for Romney. I mean these are the least educated, most ignorant creatures that reside in the US. Nawwww, no fraud or ID needed.

[ODENTON]

Obama has a mandate and he has leverage because he doesn't have to worry about running for office again. He's in a strong position. He can call his political opponents' bluff...

So very true.

[dsummoner]

If it takes a greater level of identification to purchase MD 20/20 then it does to vote (to yourself, the funds of others... it is doubtful that such voters are contributing much of anything besides creating problems for others)... then ya'r voting system is fluxx0red.

[ODENTON]

Remember Jon Husted in 2014 Ohioans, send him packing. I hear Nathan Sproul takes in his kind.



"A federal judge blasted Ohio’s elections chief on Tuesday, questioning his motives for setting new vote-counting rules that violated state law just days before the presidential election."

"In a scathing 17-page ruling (Read the full ruling in the Document viewer below), U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley said a directive on counting provisional ballots that Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted issued on Nov. 2 was "a flagrant violation of a state elections law" that could disenfranchise voters."




http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....usted_for.html

[soulflower]

Remember Jon Husted in 2014 Ohioans, send him packing. I hear Nathan Sproul takes in his kind.



"A federal judge blasted Ohio’s elections chief on Tuesday, questioning his motives for setting new vote-counting rules that violated state law just days before the presidential election."

"In a scathing 17-page ruling (Read the full ruling in the Document viewer below), U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley said a directive on counting provisional ballots that Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted issued on Nov. 2 was "a flagrant violation of a state elections law" that could disenfranchise voters."




http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....usted_for.html

He did everything he could to make it possible for Romney to win.

That's why blacks were waiting in line for hours to vote early and make sure their vote counted...

[ivanbalt]

I always find it entertaining that people need some cause to actually go out and vote. Hopefully some at least become regular voters.

[soulflower]

I always find it entertaining that people need some cause to actually go out and vote. Hopefully some at least become regular voters.

Most people don't but sporadic or unlikely voters seem to need motivation...

[ODENTON]

He did everything he could to make it possible for Romney to win.

That's why blacks were waiting in line for hours to vote early and make sure their vote counted...

I think a lot of people Black,White,Asian,Hispanics all over the country were ticked off by the republican voter suppression effort.


This guy Husted just didn't give a damn about what anyone thought.