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    Quote Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM View Post
    Size isn't CHC's issue. Gilman wasn't that much bigger than them. SKILL was the issue! Like I said if Gilman is engaged, no team can beat them. Same thing will happen next year.

    Congrats to the seniors. Special congrats to Shane Cockerille, he put that team on his back and lead like I knew he would.

    Can we please now STOP comparing CHC to Gilman? There is NO COMPARISON! You won your two games, it's NOT A RIVALRY!
    And your response Calvert Hall?

    But first please tell me, who's your daddy?

    Just askin'



    Damn, I think I just made some more enemies... Oh well, I never cared about it before so why change now. And to think I always thought"..size mattered..." Now GA 4-1-1 me that it's NOT all about size. He must be one of those little men with skills.

    Anyway GA, you Da Man! You said it would be just like what has come to pass. You said Gilman would lose 1 or 2 or more games at the beginning of the season and then go into league play and dominate to win what Oil Can called The Hoakier Title. You were bullseye on your assessment. You are the REAL theguru.

    Just sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by First_Down View Post
    And your response Calvert Hall?

    But first please tell me, who's your daddy?

    Just askin'



    Damn, I think I just made some more enemies... Oh well, I never cared about it before so why change now. And to think I always thought"..size mattered..." Now GA 4-1-1 me that it's NOT all about size. He must be one of those little men with skills.

    Anyway GA, you Da Man! You said it would be just like what has come to pass. You said Gilman would lose 1 or 2 or more games at the beginning of the season and then go into league play and dominate to win what Oil Can called The Hoakier Title. You were bullseye on your assessment. You are the REAL theguru.

    Just sayin'
    Thanks for the props my friend. I was just doing my best trying to give an honest assessment of what I saw this season. I can't take much credit on this one though, I think if anyone was being truthful to themselves they would have have predicted the same thing. I was a little off though earlier, I said Gilman by 21 but they won by 28, hahahahaha!!!

    Now on to the publics! I'm looking forward to seeing the final two weeks of the season.

    On another note, did everybody see what my boy Tavon did yesterday? WOW!!

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    congrats to Gilman. I disagree whole heartedly with GA. Size was definitely the difference. anyone could see that. CH was getting knocked off the ball all night. Calvert Hall would greatly benefit by having a real streangth and conditioning coach. Someone to work with the players year round. Hopfully Kunhns continues to progress. We are talking about a HS QB but his field vision needs to improve. He can't continue to lock onto one reciever. Again, we're talking about a HS qb and that is a learned skill. No doubt the interception thown to a draped receiver at the end of the 2nd Qtr. was huge. The score went from 7-0 at halftime to 14-0. But honestly, in the grand scheme it would not have made a difference last night.

    Will Shane play QB in college? MD doesn't run the wildcat.

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    Default CH Defensive Scheme Contributed

    CH helped Gilman by playing its 44 and never changed. It seems that they are wedded to play what the Pros play --pass first-which is the basis for the 44. All night long,Gilman would get 5 yards,8 yards, 17 yards on runs and never did they changeup to a 6 man front to stuff the line. It is easy for a running QB to find a hole when only 4 men rush and LBs are already at 5 yards deep from the LOS. The offensive linemen need only take the D Line whichever direction they want to go and let the QB find a seam. When 6 linemen are cramping pressure across the front,that makes it more difficult for a running game. And when the offensive linemen are 30 lbs bigger per man than the DL, then those 4 LBs are trying to meet a freight train coming at them. For example, take a race horse in a starting gate against a high school track runner. When the gate opens, the track kid can beat the race horse in a 10 yard sprint (already been tested). The bigger force takes time to build and once is underway will overpower smaller objects. Thus, if CH had played a 6 man front most of the game,the bigger OL would not get such an easy mark on the LBs. When you play a team that has already beaten you, as the expression goes --"You can't keep doing the same thing the same way and expect different results." So, Loyola's best chance is to keep using that QB draw which they have done all year for good yards. If CH refuses to come out of their 44,then they make it easy for QB draw or counter which has been their bread and butter. The problem, though, is that everytime you make your QB a mainstay of your offense, he will eventually end up injured like Jake Clise 2 weeks ago. What bothers me more about CH is their lack of discipline. Every game seems to have personal fouls. 2 last night and one ejection. That makes 2 players ejected in 2 years (1 in last year's Turkey Bowl). The first personal foul last night nullified a great punt return. The 2nd one put Gilman in the red zone. These kids gotta stop watching Ray Lewis with his jaw dropping scream and players who beat their chests so that the fans know who it was that made the tackle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallman View Post
    congrats to Gilman. I disagree whole heartedly with GA. Size was definitely the difference. anyone could see that. CH was getting knocked off the ball all night. Calvert Hall would greatly benefit by having a real streangth and conditioning coach. Someone to work with the players year round. Hopfully Kunhns continues to progress. We are talking about a HS QB but his field vision needs to improve. He can't continue to lock onto one reciever. Again, we're talking about a HS qb and that is a learned skill. No doubt the interception thown to a draped receiver at the end of the 2nd Qtr. was huge. The score went from 7-0 at halftime to 14-0. But honestly, in the grand scheme it would not have made a difference last night.

    Will Shane play QB in college? MD doesn't run the wildcat.
    I left the game most impressed with Kuhns. Most of all, I love the throws that he did not make when no one was open and his decisions to tuck it or throw it where no one else can get it. Most of his completions were to the only receiver that was open. The extraordinary pressure, coverage and run defense made his job extraordinarily difficult and he held up pretty well. In those circumstances, you are bound to make a mistake or two.

    I have to admit that I am surprised about the lack of difference makers at the skill positions at CHC. It is tough on the qb when guys are not able to get open. I hear that CHC has young guys at the skill positions and they should develop into difference makers down the road.

    Gilmans defense is bananas. Perhaps the best high school defense that I have seen. Say what you want about the offense, but it is very effective. The team has an identity and they wear it well. Great season by both teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watchfuleye View Post
    CH helped Gilman by playing its 44 and never changed. It seems that they are wedded to play what the Pros play --pass first-which is the basis for the 44. All night long,Gilman would get 5 yards,8 yards, 17 yards on runs and never did they changeup to a 6 man front to stuff the line. It is easy for a running QB to find a hole when only 4 men rush and LBs are already at 5 yards deep from the LOS. The offensive linemen need only take the D Line whichever direction they want to go and let the QB find a seam. When 6 linemen are cramping pressure across the front,that makes it more difficult for a running game. And when the offensive linemen are 30 lbs bigger per man than the DL, then those 4 LBs are trying to meet a freight train coming at them. For example, take a race horse in a starting gate against a high school track runner. When the gate opens, the track kid can beat the race horse in a 10 yard sprint (already been tested). The bigger force takes time to build and once is underway will overpower smaller objects. Thus, if CH had played a 6 man front most of the game,the bigger OL would not get such an easy mark on the LBs. When you play a team that has already beaten you, as the expression goes --"You can't keep doing the same thing the same way and expect different results." So, Loyola's best chance is to keep using that QB draw which they have done all year for good yards. If CH refuses to come out of their 44,then they make it easy for QB draw or counter which has been their bread and butter. The problem, though, is that everytime you make your QB a mainstay of your offense, he will eventually end up injured like Jake Clise 2 weeks ago. What bothers me more about CH is their lack of discipline. Every game seems to have personal fouls. 2 last night and one ejection. That makes 2 players ejected in 2 years (1 in last year's Turkey Bowl). The first personal foul last night nullified a great punt return. The 2nd one put Gilman in the red zone. These kids gotta stop watching Ray Lewis with his jaw dropping scream and players who beat their chests so that the fans know who it was that made the tackle.
    8 in the box is 8 in the box. Playing a 6-2 would be suicide because Gilman lines up in the spread and trips to run and I am not sure how you account for slots out of a 6 man line. The best thing to do is to get 9 in the box by playing a base quarters defense out of the 4-3. Your safeties really give you 5 linebackers who are often times not accounted for in the blocking scheme. It leaves you vulnerable to the play action game but you have to give up something. It is counterintuitive that playing two safeties and quarters is a good run defense, but it is the best way to cheat by getting 9 in the box and not giving up much in the passing game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aacountyfootball View Post
    I left the game most impressed with Kuhns. Most of all, I love the throws that he did not make when no one was open and his decisions to tuck it or throw it where no one else can get it. Most of his completions were to the only receiver that was open. The extraordinary pressure, coverage and run defense made his job extraordinarily difficult and he held up pretty well. In those circumstances, you are bound to make a mistake or two.

    I have to admit that I am surprised about the lack of difference makers at the skill positions at CHC. It is tough on the qb when guys are not able to get open. I hear that CHC has young guys at the skill positions and they should develop into difference makers down the road.

    Gilmans defense is bananas. Perhaps the best high school defense that I have seen. Say what you want about the offense, but it is very effective. The team has an identity and they wear it well. Great season by both teams.
    Calvert Hall's passing routes remind of the Ravens. 4 receivers running straight downfield. No crossing routes. No comeback routes to get to the stick for the first down. Not alot of imagination from what i saw.

    CHC tried to mix in some runs but knew they would have little to no success running the ball agains Gilman. They had to be successful in the air to have a chance.

    Overall, a very good year for the Cards. It's a journey and they are not quite where they want to be yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aacountyfootball View Post
    I left the game most impressed with Kuhns. Most of all, I love the throws that he did not make when no one was open and his decisions to tuck it or throw it where no one else can get it. Most of his completions were to the only receiver that was open. The extraordinary pressure, coverage and run defense made his job extraordinarily difficult and he held up pretty well. In those circumstances, you are bound to make a mistake or two.

    I have to admit that I am surprised about the lack of difference makers at the skill positions at CHC. It is tough on the qb when guys are not able to get open. I hear that CHC has young guys at the skill positions and they should develop into difference makers down the road.

    Gilmans defense is bananas. Perhaps the best high school defense that I have seen. Say what you want about the offense, but it is very effective. The team has an identity and they wear it well. Great season by both teams.

    That's what I have been saying all year. Unlike last year, CHC really doesn't have the playmakers. They also lack speed. I know they have some young studs on the JV so they will be fine. The problem is, Gilman is going to continuer being Gilman.

    I'm hearing that the stud kids at Hamilton(who i heard lost a tough one to Harco last night after beating them twice this year)that CHC and Gilman were fighting for are all now Gilman locks. We all know what Gilman has in the Class of 2016 and that insane 2017 class in the middle school. Gilman's JV won it all this year( I heard Devery was just a man child in that game). If there is any year to beat Gilman, it will be next year. Because after that, they will near unbeatable!

    As far as the offense goes, if Gilman's goal is to beat up on the MIAA then no need for a change. But if they are trying to be a National Power, changes must happen and happen starting TODAY! This televised beat down of CHC is only going to make getting kids to the school that much easier. I had old friends not associated with Gilman texting me all night telling me they were watching the game and how impressed they were with the team. Some of those guys have young kids playing in the youth leagues. It's good to be a Greyhound these days. 11 Titles in 16 years, say what you want about Biff but the man is just a winner.

    I also have to give serious praise to the coaches and seniors for having those boys ready last night. They played with something to prove and it showed. Also te Gilman fans, they were outnumbered by more than double and they were loud as hell. I know this because I sat on the CHC side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallman View Post
    congrats to Gilman. I disagree whole heartedly with GA. Size was definitely the difference. anyone could see that. CH was getting knocked off the ball all night. Calvert Hall would greatly benefit by having a real streangth and conditioning coach. Someone to work with the players year round. Hopfully Kunhns continues to progress. We are talking about a HS QB but his field vision needs to improve. He can't continue to lock onto one reciever. Again, we're talking about a HS qb and that is a learned skill. No doubt the interception thown to a draped receiver at the end of the 2nd Qtr. was huge. The score went from 7-0 at halftime to 14-0. But honestly, in the grand scheme it would not have made a difference last night.

    Will Shane play QB in college? MD doesn't run the wildcat.
    Gilman was definitely bigger, especially on the outside. This is what Gilman exploited. CHC is strong up the middle against the run but very soft on the outside. The young guys are pass rushers not great tacklers right now in their careers.

    CHC's main issue is strength and speed. But Donald isn't a dummy. He has definitely followed Gilman's play book of making the skill players run track. I expect every young skill player that's not playing basketball to be running indoor and outdoor track this year. They will be ready next year and Kuhns will be a stud.

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    Nice win...now come out and watch the Varstiy play @ USNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM View Post
    That's what I have been saying all year. Unlike last year, CHC really doesn't have the playmakers. They also lack speed. I know they have some young studs on the JV so they will be fine. The problem is, Gilman is going to continuer being Gilman.

    I'm hearing that the stud kids at Hamilton(who i heard lost a tough one to Harco last night after beating them twice this year)that CHC and Gilman were fighting for are all now Gilman locks. We all know what Gilman has in the Class of 2016 and that insane 2017 class in the middle school. Gilman's JV won it all this year( I heard Devery was just a man child in that game). If there is any year to beat Gilman, it will be next year. Because after that, they will near unbeatable!

    As far as the offense goes, if Gilman's goal is to beat up on the MIAA then no need for a change. But if they are trying to be a National Power, changes must happen and happen starting TODAY! This televised beat down of CHC is only going to make getting kids to the school that much easier. I had old friends not associated with Gilman texting me all night telling me they were watching the game and how impressed they were with the team. Some of those guys have young kids playing in the youth leagues. It's good to be a Greyhound these days. 11 Titles in 16 years, say what you want about Biff but the man is just a winner.

    I also have to give serious praise to the coaches and seniors for having those boys ready last night. They played with something to prove and it showed. Also te Gilman fans, they were outnumbered by more than double and they were loud as hell. I know this because I sat on the CHC side.
    Might want to double or triple check that. I was talking to the man over at GC last night and he said they have the lock on three of those guys. And don't be surprised with another school sneaking in the back door on a couple others. The safety from HARCO might be one of the best young players in the area.
    And for the Gilman JV they beat us on the last play of the game with an iffy touchdown pass at full strength. Future is bright that is for sure, but their is a lot of young talent across the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RM7 View Post
    Might want to double or triple check that. I was talking to the man over at GC last night and he said they have the lock on three of those guys. And don't be surprised with another school sneaking in the back door on a couple others. The safety from HARCO might be one of the best young players in the area.

    I was told by multiple sources that the three players Gilman were after, including their best player is coming to Gilman. I'm sure GC is going to snagged their share, so will DM. I think today's game could be important in the recruiting wars just as yesterday's was.

    The safety from Harco is definitely the real deal. Pretty sure though CHC has their best player locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dclaxer34 View Post
    Nice win...now come out and watch the Varstiy play @ USNA.

    Good Counsel v DeMatha @ 2pm.
    Watch the Varsity!! I like that. Go Stags!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallman View Post
    congrats to Gilman. I disagree whole heartedly with GA. Size was definitely the difference. anyone could see that. CH was getting knocked off the ball all night. Calvert Hall would greatly benefit by having a real streangth and conditioning coach. Someone to work with the players year round. Hopfully Kunhns continues to progress. We are talking about a HS QB but his field vision needs to improve. He can't continue to lock onto one reciever. Again, we're talking about a HS qb and that is a learned skill. No doubt the interception thown to a draped receiver at the end of the 2nd Qtr. was huge. The score went from 7-0 at halftime to 14-0. But honestly, in the grand scheme it would not have made a difference last night.

    Will Shane play QB in college? MD doesn't run the wildcat.

    I just watched the highlights on Varsity Sports and man did Gilman physically beat the Hall up. I was too busy running my mouth during the game but man was that physical. It got pretty chippy as well. That's the sort of toughness I was expecting in the last game from Gilman.

    Question is, does Loyola have a shot to win the Turkey Bowl? If Clise plays, I at they do. CHC is pretty banged up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallman View Post
    congrats to Gilman. I disagree whole heartedly with GA. Size was definitely the difference. anyone could see that. CH was getting knocked off the ball all night. Calvert Hall would greatly benefit by having a real streangth and conditioning coach. Someone to work with the players year round. Hopfully Kunhns continues to progress. We are talking about a HS QB but his field vision needs to improve. He can't continue to lock onto one reciever. Again, we're talking about a HS qb and that is a learned skill. No doubt the interception thown to a draped receiver at the end of the 2nd Qtr. was huge. The score went from 7-0 at halftime to 14-0. But honestly, in the grand scheme it would not have made a difference last night.

    Will Shane play QB in college? MD doesn't run the wildcat.
    Quote Originally Posted by aacountyfootball View Post
    I left the game most impressed with Kuhns. Most of all, I love the throws that he did not make when no one was open and his decisions to tuck it or throw it where no one else can get it. Most of his completions were to the only receiver that was open. The extraordinary pressure, coverage and run defense made his job extraordinarily difficult and he held up pretty well. In those circumstances, you are bound to make a mistake or two.

    I have to admit that I am surprised about the lack of difference makers at the skill positions at CHC. It is tough on the qb when guys are not able to get open. I hear that CHC has young guys at the skill positions and they should develop into difference makers down the road.

    Gilmans defense is bananas. Perhaps the best high school defense that I have seen. Say what you want about the offense, but it is very effective. The team has an identity and they wear it well. Great season by both teams.

    From the way it sounds, the big man will be retiring from coaching at Gilman. A new Era is upon us and with this I believe a NEW OFFENSE! Biff will run the show behind the scenes but now he can go and watch his boys play in college. I'm excited for next year already!

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    Shane dominated. Gilman had tremendous play from the defensive line. Gilman was the better team without a doubt. It was hard to watch CHC defense get demolished. I wish Chc would have Blitzed more and spied Shane, so that Gilman would not run the ball down their throats.

    CHC STAYED in the same vanilla defense the whole game. There should have been more adjustments. OFfensively L_evere should have gotten the ball early and often. Too many politics. Neverdone and Delando needed offensive touches. This game was boring

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    No way Shane will be player of the year. Look at what Westminster's quarterback is doing. He is the all time passing leader. Everybody is getting blown out. His qb IQ is way higher and he is a far better QB

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlf1886 View Post
    No way Shane will be player of the year. Look at what Westminster's quarterback is doing. He is the all time passing leader. Everybody is getting blown out. His qb IQ is way higher and he is a far better QB
    I believe that the Westminster QB will be OPOY but I believe it should be Shane. He did it all for the best team in the area by a mile. The defensive POY is a given that it will be a Gilman player. Only question is, who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM View Post
    Watch the Varsity!! I like that. Go Stags!!
    His beloved Gilman couldn't do it so now he is a DeMatha fan. Priceless

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssports View Post
    His beloved Gilman couldn't do it so now he is a DeMatha fan. Priceless

    By Any Means Necessary...

    Just sayin'

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