Gov. Jindal..."Stop Being The Stupid Party"

[mcorioles]

It never ceases to amaze me the constant denial you live in. This isn't 25 years ago, that was then.....this is now.........2012.

And the GOP does a darn good job painting itself as bigots,racist.....didn't you follow the election. It's like the ok thing in your party. The dems didn't have to do much but watch and let the GOP sink itself.

Listen to B.Jindal he has a point.

Read my first post,I already said I have been following him. Instead of just spouting off you should read the entire thread.Please explain to me how I'm living in denial.Where did I say it's 25 years ago. What I said is the Dem's were in the same boat 25 years ago. of course for different reasons they have different platforms. The comparison was they looked down and out but came back from it. thats why your talking points made no sense.

[ms maggie]

That's because you pay too much attention to alternet, democratunderground, HuffPo, dailyKOS, TPM and MSNBC, and they've been telling you that.

No I think things like nominating Mourdock over Luger tell me that. Or the % of Republicans who believe Obama is not a citizen. Or everyone on Fox projecting a big Romney win.

Having said that, I think the nuts are a clear minority but are so exorcised they dominate the process disproportionately. Everntually clearer heads will right the ship. Sure hope so, there needs to be two relevant parties.

[ms maggie]

I respectfully disagree ,I see it as not having a real conservative message.The minority vote isn't going to sink the GOP yet. Never got the black vote before or now and the Latino vote won't sink them either, doesn't help but won't kill them either.It's the issues and the GOP has done a bad job ,basically changing their message to what they think people want to hear instead of sticking to a conservative plan and not wavering.

Being seen as the party of old white guys doesn't just lose them minority votes, it loses them moderate votes as well. But I take your point--classic example is immigration reform. Thinking what people wanted to hear was a hard line, they put that forth and couched in xenophobic rhetoric. Whereas the position of Repubs like Bush, McCain was not vastly different from the President's--different enough AND not messaged in such a hateful manner.

[ODENTON]

Read my first post,I already said I have been following him. Instead of just spouting off you should read the entire thread.Please explain to me how I'm living in denial.Where did I say it's 25 years ago. What I said is the Dem's were in the same boat 25 years ago. of course for different reasons they have different platforms. The comparison was they looked down and out but came back from it. thats why your talking points made no sense.

For one if the GOP doesn't do a major really check soon they may never matter again. And even a miniscule attempt to compare the dems of 25 years ago to what is happening now within the rigid GOP is ludicruos IMO.

You guys are infested with the Teaparty and while I don't believe most repubs share their views.......most repubs don't speak out against the nonsense of the Teaparty. TP will be the demise of the GOP.

[ms maggie]

For one if the GOP doesn't do a major really check soon they may never matter again. And even a miniscule attempt to compare the dems of 25 years ago to what is happening now within the rigid GOP is ludicruos IMO.

You guys are infested with the Teaparty and while I don't believe most repubs share their views.......most repubs don't speak out against the nonsense of the Teaparty. TP will be the demise of the GOP.

Well I agree with mcorioles fwiw. The Democratic party became identified with gays, minorities, anti-military, drugs etc, to the apparent exclusion of traditional Dem strongholds--unions, Catholics. Seemed more interested in a social agenda and not much else and drove away moderate/white/middle class voters. And gave the Repubs an opening for their "southern strategy" to boot.

[reg_indy]

I respectfully disagree ,I see it as not having a real conservative message.The minority vote isn't going to sink the GOP yet. Never got the black vote before or now and the Latino vote won't sink them either, doesn't help but won't kill them either.It's the issues and the GOP has done a bad job ,basically changing their message to what they think people want to hear instead of sticking to a conservative plan and not wavering.

Blame the 'Conservative media' on that one...

[reg_indy]

Well I agree with mcorioles fwiw. The Democratic party became identified with gays, minorities, anti-military, drugs etc, to the apparent exclusion of traditional Dem strongholds--unions, Catholics. Seemed more interested in a social agenda and not much else and drove away moderate/white/middle class voters. And gave the Repubs an opening for their "southern strategy" to boot.

Every person who considers themselves Republican needs to watch the Jon Stewart segment "Avalanche on Bullsh#t Mountain" for a graphic clue...

[ms maggie]

Every person who considers themselves Republican needs to watch the Jon Stewart segment "Avalanche on Bullsh#t Mountain" for a graphic clue...

LOVE the BS Mountain bits!!!

[dogstarman]

Jindal is not quite right. It was not flubs or silly "gotchayas" that cost the GOP the presidency. It was the lack of an authentic voice that people can actually relate to.

I think the central core of the GOP consists of a small number of intelligent but very cynical elites. They have managed to enjoy some political success in the past 2-3 decades by trotting out a relgious/moral facade in order to ingratiate themselves with so-called "base" voters that they wouldn't give the time of day to in real-life, but whose vote is the only chance they have for office.

It seems the GOP won't be able to ride that pony anymore, "you can't fool all of the people all of the time", they will have to seek out an authentic and populist voice to get anywhere in the near future. IMHO, this will come in the form of a much more libertarian platform in the future.

[skeemer]

One can't forget that it was just a few years ago that many were saying that the Democrat party was dead.

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

Look at the primaries, that was the cream of the Republican crop. They were crap.

What exactly was "crap" about Huntsman?

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

My prediction is that the Republican Party will co-opt the Libertarian platform and rise to popularity in the near future.

Christ, I hope not! That would just be replacing one non-viable ideology with another.

[EmDot]

What exactly was "crap" about Huntsman?

The only crap about Huntsman was that smart Republicans didn't back him. I'm not saying they voted for the others. I think they stayed home. Sane Republicans have to start voting in the primaries.

[The Eternal White Belt]

Christ, I hope not! That would just be replacing one non-viable ideology with another.

What isn't viable about the Libertarian platform?

[Joy in Mudville]

If the latino vote hinges on unfettered border crossings then tough s#%t, the GOP shouldn't court their vote.

I agree with you but, of course, the latino vote doesn't hinge on unfettered border crossings and it never has.

[Grindelwald]

I like how sushibrain, Tristan, and Salisbury Sage have avoided this thread like the plague. Truth hurts, don't it boys? Time to get out of looney tunes land.

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

What isn't viable about the Libertarian platform?

It's an idea that sounds great with wonderful ideals that can never work in actual practice. In order for it to work, it requires conditions that don't exist - and never will. Libertarianism can flourish only if all citizens think, act, and spend using their conscience with a will and an interest in some greater good instead of narrow, petty, immediate self-interest.

Like that's gonna happen.

Without that, Libertarianism in practice will rapidly self-destruct and become something akin to anarchy.

[The Eternal White Belt]

It's an idea that sounds great with wonderful ideals that can never work in actual practice. In order for it to work, it requires conditions that don't exist - and never will. Libertarianism can flourish only if all citizens think, act, and spend using their conscience with a will and an interest in some greater good instead of narrow, petty, immediate self-interest.

Like that's gonna happen.

Without that, Libertarianism in practice will rapidly self-destruct and become something akin to anarchy.

Sure, if you take the most extreme version of Libertarianism and run with it... it's not going to work. Just, like if you take the extremes of any party.

There are parts of the Libertarian platform that I disagree with, but who agrees with any party's entire platform?

[DaggerJohn]

...This is even more true of the African American community who view racial issues from a completely different perspective. Despite what the Republican party would have it's Fox viewers believe, the majority of people on food stamps and welfare are not African American. On the other hand, if you go back one or two generations in the African American community you will find a bevy load of very smart, successful people who did get a break due to an affirmative action program or were able to get a home loan in part because the federal government started cracking down on red lining. These are people who can recall their parents' and grandparents' stories of humiliating episodes of discrimination, segregation, and bigotry. The GOP's fixation on affirmative action and it's language when discussing issues such as poverty is patently offensive to people who remember or are one generation away from the reality of the situation. Furthermore, you'll be hard pressed to find an African American who won't tell you that they believe the hatred directed toward Obama is at least in part because of his race. And, when you come onto boards like this and find the repeated references to him as an affirmative action hire you can understand why.

Opposing Affirmative Action is taking a principled stand, and Romney/Ryan would have picked up the working class white vote in several critical swing states had they taken a position against it. In fact, the DOJ's strategy of suing under "disparate impact" theory to guarantee equality of outcome in testing, making loans, hiring, etc, etc, is even more threatening and powerful than affirmative action. Watch out for it.

The G.O.P. will never get the black vote (which nationally is only 9% of the electorate anyway) and should not waste their time, energy and resources to get it. The black community and the GOP are just culturally incompatible and their views of government antagonistic.

[ms maggie]

Opposing Affirmative Action is taking a principled stand, and Romney/Ryan would have picked up the working class white vote in several critical swing states had they taken a position against it. In fact, the DOJ's strategy of suing under "disparate impact" theory to guarantee equality of outcome in testing, making loans, hiring, etc, etc, is even more threatening and powerful than affirmative action. Watch out for it.

The G.O.P. will never get the black vote (which nationally is only 9% of the electorate anyway) and should not waste their time, energy and resources to get it. The black community and the GOP are just culturally incompatible and their views of government antagonistic.

GOP's problem isn't the black vote. It's the moderate vote.