Israel Not Negotiating Ceasefire In Good Faith

[Byng]

A truce declared? Well that would explain why Israel has kicked their bombing campaign into overdrive.

I was just looking at live footage from Gaza and the bombing continues. Does not look like a truce or cease-fire to me.

[Byng]

A truce declared? Well that would explain why Israel has kicked their bombing campaign into overdrive.

Even if the bombing by Israel stops tonight, nothing changes for Gaza. The people of Gaza will still wake-up in the morning to the same life in the worlds largest open-air prison!

[beeg jacques]

Even if the bombing by Israel stops tonight, nothing changes for Gaza. The people of Gaza will still wake-up in the morning to the same life in the worlds largest open-air prison!

Egypt's Hamas-friendly, Muslim Brotherhood government is in control of the Gaza/Egypt border. What kind of prison is that?

[Byng]

Egypt's Hamas-friendly, Muslim Brotherhood government is in control of the Gaza/Egypt border. What kind of prison is that?

The sort of prison where the prison guards drop leaflets from the sky telling the inmates to flee, knowing that there is nowhere for them to flee to. The sort of prison where the prison guards murder a few inmates and then blame the inmates for retaliating, when that was the reaction that the prison guards were after in the first place. Shall I go on?

I thought Netanyahu was just after creating the fear in Israel for him to win the January election but you mention Equip. Are you suggesting that it might be ethnic cleansing Netanyahu is after? It would not surprise me. Should they all run to Egypt or perhaps Jordan? How nice and tidy for you.

[beeg jacques]

The sort of prison where the prison guards drop leaflets from the sky telling the inmates to flee, knowing that there is nowhere for them to flee to. The sort of prison where the prison guards murder a few inmates and then blame the inmates for retaliating, when that was the reaction that the prison guards were after in the first place. Shall I go on?

I thought Netanyahu was just after creating the fear in Israel for him to win the January election but you mention Equip. Are you suggesting that it might be ethnic cleansing Netanyahu is after? It would not surprise me. Should they all run to Egypt or perhaps Jordan? How nice and tidy for you.

Your explanation of prisons that have countless rocket launchers, Fajr-5 missiles, anti-tank missiles, etc. should be interesting.

Apparently, Hamas' Egyptian government friends are only interested in supplying them with weapons to attack Israel, while keeping Palestinians Arabs out of Egypt.Seems like Egypt is the prison guard here

And the Hamas prison guards are solely responsible for embedding and firing their weaponry into Israel from the midst of the Gaza civilian population.

But then again, Hamas openly and explicitly brags about using women and children as human shields.

[dsummoner]

Was Hamas not 'democratically (s)elected' (thanks to Bushblundering)?

[cprenegade]

The sort of prison where the prison guards drop leaflets from the sky telling the inmates to flee, knowing that there is nowhere for them to flee to. The sort of prison where the prison guards murder a few inmates and then blame the inmates for retaliating, when that was the reaction that the prison guards were after in the first place. Shall I go on?

I thought Netanyahu was just after creating the fear in Israel for him to win the January election but you mention Equip. Are you suggesting that it might be ethnic cleansing Netanyahu is after? It would not surprise me. Should they all run to Egypt or perhaps Jordan? How nice and tidy for you.

That is more courtesy than the terrorists of Hamas give. Israel drops leaflets, telephones buildings and performs shock bomb runs to warn innocent civilians of an impending strike on a strategic target. Hamas aims rockets into Israel with no warning and an intention of causing the maximum amount of civilian casualties it can. When there are no rockets falling, there are no Israeli bombing runs. The President and SOS understand this, and that is why they have continued to voice their support for Israel.

Gaza is run by Hamas, which the United States and other countries consider a terrorist organization.

Clinton offered Israel the support of the United States and expressed hope for a lasting solution as she spoke to reporters alongside Netanyahu at the prime minister's office in Jerusalem. She thanked Egypt and especially Morsy for their efforts.

"President Obama asked me to come to Israel with a very clear message. America's commitment to Israel's security is rock solid and unwavering. That is why we believe it is essential to de-escalate the situation in Gaza," she said. "The goal must be a durable outcome that promotes regional stability and advances the security and legitimate aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians alike."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Byng]

Was Hamas not 'democratically (s)elected' (thanks to Bushblundering)?

Ah, now I see why the prison guards murdered inmates to get them to retaliate and then dropped leaflets telling the inmates to flee when there was nowhere to flee to. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that Israel might elect a terrorist leader back in January (terrorist do kill people to get the reaction they want, don't they?) but it has everything to do with the people of Garza electing a terrorist. I think I am following your logic.

[Byng]

That is more courtesy than the terrorists of Hamas give. Israel drops leaflets, telephones buildings and performs shock bomb runs to warn innocent civilians of an impending strike on a strategic target. Hamas aims rockets into Israel with no warning and an intention of causing the maximum amount of civilian casualties it can. When there are no rockets falling, there are no Israeli bombing runs. The President and SOS understand this, and that is why they have continued to voice their support for Israel.

How come your plan didn't work the way it was supposed to last time? Last time Israel did this they bombed a school where they had kindly told the prisoners to run to.

And don't hide behind the President of the United State back and the SOS's skirt because you know as well as I do that what both of them are saying publicly certainly will not be the same thing as they are saying privately!

[cprenegade]

Ah, now I see why the prison guards murdered inmates to get them to retaliate and then dropped leaflets telling the inmates to flee when there was nowhere to flee to. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that Israel might elect a terrorist leader back in January (terrorist do kill people to get the reaction they want, don't they?) but it has everything to do with the people of Garza electing a terrorist. I think I am following your logic.

I'm not much on Netanyahu, but if he's a terrorist he might be the first one I know of that gives advance warnings on attacks. Or maybe I missed the leaflets Bin-Laden dropped over NY on 9/10.

[cprenegade]

How come your plan didn't work the way it was supposed to last time? Last time Israel did this they bombed a school where they had kindly told the prisoners to run to.

And don't hide behind the President of the United State back and the SOS's skirt because you know as well as I do that what both of them are saying publicly certainly will not be the same thing as they are saying privately!

I would think that you would understand better than anyone that in war operations, nothing ever goes according to script. The US was guilty of hitting civilian targets in Iraq and in Libya. As for the president, I didn't vote for him so I'm not hiding behind him at all. I can only take him and his SOS at their face value. And while I am sure he is working his best to calm hostilities, I seriously doubt he is presenting the official US position as one thing while secretly saying something totally different when the camera's are off. That would serve little purpose as it would only give the Arab world more of a reason to hate the US.

[Byng]

I'm not much on Netanyahu, but if he's a terrorist he might be the first one I know of that gives advance warnings on attacks. Or maybe I missed the leaflets Bin-Laden dropped over NY on 9/10.

But conveniently did not give any warning when he killed Palestinian kids (inmates) deliberately a couple of weeks ago to get the retaliation in the first place and then blamed the inmates for firing back. No double standards here between our terrorists, is there now?

Mrs Byng says it is time to turn in, have a good night my friend.

[beeg jacques]

I'm not much on Netanyahu, but if he's a terrorist he might be the first one I know of that gives advance warnings on attacks. Or maybe I missed the leaflets Bin-Laden dropped over NY on 9/10.

Byng is just confusing the well known Hamas tactic of calling for civilians and children to form human shields:

Hamas's called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hata after he recieves a warning call from the IDF

[BlandFood]

Be funny if one of those rockets hit muslim shrines. Maybe with a little Jooooo guidance they could.

[cprenegade]

But conveniently did not give any warning when he killed Palestinian kids (inmates) deliberately a couple of weeks ago to get the retaliation in the first place and then blamed the inmates for firing back. No double standards here between our terrorists, is there now?

Mrs Byng says it is time to turn in, have a good night my friend.

Well, that was unfortunate, but it was a situation where someone was warned to stop and continued towards the border. As I have pointed out, border skirmishes have happened between friendly nations. The US has killed mexicans coming across the border, and one of our border agents was killed by mexican gangs. In neither case did either country decide to start firing rockets towards the other. People like to criticize Israel for disproportionate responses but yet fail to see how firing 1000 rockets into Israel over a border killing is disproportionate?

Well anyway, good night. Always a pleasure.

[dsummoner]

Ah, now I see why the prison guards murdered inmates to get them to retaliate and then dropped leaflets telling the inmates to flee when there was nowhere to flee to. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that Israel might elect a terrorist leader back in January (terrorist do kill people to get the reaction they want, don't they?) but it has everything to do with the people of Garza electing a terrorist. I think I am following your logic.

The leaflet drops are more of the fighting with both hands tied behind the back in order to placate Western bed wetters and pant soilers with the vapid 'rules' of war. If there were no leaflet drop then the whining from the same would be one 'oh noes!!! no warning for the so-called civilians that selected Hamas in one of the highest population densities in the world.' As the US gets its arse handed to it by the Taliban and the French cut and run they have the audacity to tell other countries to follow their 'rules' of failure. Abu Bakr Nadji was prescient and correct with the following:

"O people!* * The viciousness of the Russian soldier is twice that of the
American soldier.* *If the Americans suffer one tenth of the casualties the
Russians suffered in Afghanistan and Chechnya, they will flee and never
look back.* * That is because the current structure of the American and
Western armies is not the same as their structure during the colonial era.**
They have reached a stage of effeminacy that makes them unable to sustain
battles for a long period of time, a weakness they compensate for with a
deceptive media halo."

Other countries that follow the same mantra can look forward to enjoining in a taste of their own backsides.

[Jeebus]

A truce declared? Well that would explain why Israel has kicked their bombing campaign into overdrive.

Hamas / Islamic Jihad rockets continue to fly into Israel, bombs continue to fall. The people voted for the "government" the got, if they support a terrorist govt, I have no sympathy for any deaths caused by that government's use of terrorism in some jihadi plot to gain credibility.

You may want to read a little of what William Tecumseh Sherman thought about the citizens of an enemy force who supports the government fighting:

War is “not only fighting hostile armies, but a hostile people,” Sherman explained; as a result, they needed to “make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war.”

Pretty simple to understand, even for you.

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