Israel Not Negotiating Ceasefire In Good Faith

[zenwalk]

Israel understands fully they can't mount a successful strike against the Iranian centrifuges. Meir Dagan, the former Mossad chief, gave that one up on 60 Minutes. The program is spread out over the course of perhaps two dozen sites, any one of them being difficult targets much less all.

[Wizard777]

Under the Obama administration, the US has assassinated quite a few terrorist leaders. I did not hear this huge outcry against the President for these moves. You also seem to have overlooked that the president and his SOS have both condemned Hamas actions and stated that Israel has the right to protect itself. Both have also said Hamas needs to stop it's rocket attacks immediately. Hamas provoked the latest escalation by firing rockets into Israel. They did so because it is in their best interests to keep the conflict going. Any real peace would render their terrorist organization obsolete.

Bin Laden and the other terrorists we have assassinated were not part of a democratically elected government. Ahmed Jabari was.

[dsummoner]

Bin Laden and the other terrorists we have assassinated were not part of a democratically elected government. Ahmed Jabari was.

What does mob rule have to do with the issues at hand?

Of course, if one goes with democratically elected government then the populace becomes culpable when it comes to the government that they selected.

[uche]

Who G AF, A they aren't human B I guess if they didn't shoot rockets they might not shoot back.

Get to the root of it, nuke Tehran.

This Israeli and Palestine issue is a sad commentary on the sorry state of too much of the world. The two sides have a simple way to end this madness. Become truthful about their intentions and accept a past solution.

Israeli should Become truthful about what they really want - all of the land known as Palestine. Israeli should become truthful about what they really intend to do about it - somehow destroy the palestine population who they feel are currently "squatting on THEIR land".

This intent by the israeli has dark consequences. By doing what they are currently doing to the palestinians the jews remove the stigma of what the germans did to them decades ago as they are doing nearly the same thing to the Palestinians as was done to them thus removing any pretense to moral outrage about that nefarious act. A wise Nigerian once warned african americans to "beware of wanting to do to your former oppressors what they did to you because that removes the wrongness of their act if you feel you can do it to." Your former torment is thus reduced to a game of "who's on top.

The Palestinians should become truthful about what they really want - revenge. To their credit, (Hamas's credit at least) they make no pretense about how they want to extract revenge - by doing to the jews what the jews are currently doing to them.

It's sad that a simple thing like truth, which would put all sides on the path to peace is so avoided by not only both side of this conflict but by the US as well. two very "religious" countries and a "religious" people all lying while contributing to what some call the "anti-life equation".

[TheResearcher]

You can't negotiate peace with the insane members of the cult of islam. You can only submit, or else.

[ivanbalt]

It seems to me Wiz, that what is happening right now is nothing more than Bibi Netanyahu putting the final nail into the two-State solution coffin. And what he is now moving towards is a greater Israel taking over all land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River.That is what he has always wanted and it looks like he is on his way towards getting it. He does not want a cease-fire.

And Hamas is more than happy to oblige. The Palestinians may want to think about some new leaders in the future, assuming Hamas gives up power. They are much further from a state now then when Hamas was first elected.

[Byng]

And Hamas is more than happy to oblige. The Palestinians may want to think about some new leaders in the future, assuming Hamas gives up power. They are much further from a state now then when Hamas was first elected.

It may be Netanyahu that is the one thinking about new leaders, not Hamas and Gaza.

Netanyahu has called early Israeli elections, and having Israel in a war mood, will turn the Israeli voter hard to the right which will ensure an even more hawkish Israeli cabinet. What Netenyahu is doing is all political. The wrong man for him got elected in the US election so he has gone to plan B because he needs to get reelected with an increased majority with a mandate for war.

[ivanbalt]

It may be Netanyahu that is the one thinking about new leaders, not Hamas and Gaza.

Netanyahu has called early Israeli elections, and having Israel in a war mood, will turn the Israeli voter hard to the right which will ensure an even more hawkish Israeli cabinet. What Netenyahu is doing is all political. The wrong man for him got elected in the US election also he needs to get reelected with an increased majority with a mandate for war.

No doubt, but Hamas is doing their part to give him that mandate.

[Byng]

No doubt, but Hamas is doing their part to give him that mandate.

Why do you think that Netanyahu started "kicking the puppy in Garza" immediately after the US Election BEFORE the rockets came raining down?

[bmore_ken]

Israeli should Become truthful about what they really want - all of the land known as Palestine. Israeli should become truthful about what they really intend to do about it - somehow destroy the palestine population who they feel are currently "squatting on THEIR land".

If that's what they wanted, it would have been done already. Israel has the firepower to accomplish that mission.

[sage]

Ceasefire talks underway in Cairo



Gaza Ceasefire on Bibi’s Terms

We must Awaken!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9lrNsc1K7Q

[beeg jacques]

If that's what they wanted, it would have been done already. Israel has the firepower to accomplish that mission.

That's part of the long term plan, ken.

Israel only pretended to withdraw from Gaza in 2005. The Zionuts are secretly behind the rocket attacks from Gaza, so they can bomb the Palestinians Arabs for fun and profit!

[ODENTON]

Netanyahu has been itching for a fight and he got one..........now what. The middle east is a eternity of war.

[sage]

It's this simple

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
---Jimi Hendrix

[CajunRaven]

What exactly should Hamas get out of a cease fire? It starts lobbing rockets into Israel, gets return fire for doing so, and expects concessions in order to stop firing rockets? What planet does this guy live on? If Hamas wants anything other than an assurance that Israel will stop responding as soon as it stops firing rockets, than Israel should just pull the ceasefire off the table and let them defend themselves the best they can.

Indeed.

[bullmikey]

Bibi's plan has always been to neutralize Hamas and Hizb`allah before directly attacking Iran...

Sounds like a good plan then. I mean if I were an Israeli and thinking about knocking over Iran; or even if I were an Israeli and not thinking about knocking over Iran. From that perspective, neutralizing Hamas and Hizb`allah sounds like a splendid goal on its own merits, with or without Iran as a motivating factor. On the one hand you have good tactical policy (unless you like being rocketed twenty-four-seven), on the other, commendable strategic thinking, since it's always good to protect your flanks before bunting heads with the big bull.

If I were Hamas and Hizb`allah I’d quit firing those rockets into Israel; the Israeli have something they will never have – a sound operational doctrine for reducing their enemies to piles of smoking rubble. But then again, Hamas and Hizb`allah have Allah on their side, right?

[bullmikey]

It's this simple

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
---Jimi Hendrix

Ah, pearls of wisdom from a man who was so smashed that he choked on his own vomit.

The man played good guitar.

A sage he wasn’t.

Sorry.

[sage]

Ah, pearls of wisdom from a man who was so smashed that he choked on his own vomit.

The man played good guitar.

A sage he wasn’t.

Sorry.

Reality, He was Murdered! Just like My Son, they got hold of him!

Haldol (Haloperidol) They shot Our Son up with this crap, and he hung himself!

And its is a business!

And I will Expose it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OPR3GlpQQJA

[Byng]

Sounds like a good plan then. I mean if I were an Israeli and thinking about knocking over Iran; or even if I were an Israeli and not thinking about knocking over Iran. From that perspective, neutralizing Hamas and Hizb`allah sounds like a splendid goal on its own merits, with or without Iran as a motivating factor. On the one hand you have good tactical policy (unless you like being rocketed twenty-four-seven), on the other, commendable strategic thinking, since it's always good to protect your flanks before bunting heads with the big bull.

If I were Hamas and Hizb`allah I’d quit firing those rockets into Israel; the Israeli have something they will never have – a sound operational doctrine for reducing their enemies to piles of smoking rubble. But then again, Hamas and Hizb`allah have Allah on their side, right?

Not in my book because I don't believe there is a God that is on any particular side.

Netanyahu kicked the puppy in Gaza immediately after the election as his 'plan B' because the result did not go his way. Hamas took the bait and retaliated by pouring rockets down on Israel and the rest is history. In the case of Hamas, it just comes down to "Stupid is as stupid does".

[bullmikey]

Not in my book because I don't believe there is a God that is on any particular side.

Irrelevant, unless you happen to be a player.