3rd and 2 and this is the best Cam can come up with

[Dub]

Cameron already said that there were two plays called but Flacco had the option to choose.

As to getting the first down, all the receivers were covered, and WHY would you take the chance on a turnover when the D was playing so well?

Finally, the "loser" call is funny considering the Ravens beat the Nbr 1 defense on the road and are now 2 games ahead of the Squealers with only 6 games to go!

It's good to see someone else knows football on this board. Good luck explaining it to everyone else.

It is pretty simple, Joe has 1 read on the play. If that person is open, throw it, if not, take the sack. The person was not open. Pittsburg gets paid to play the game too, and they are the best defense in football for a reason.

[OriginalColtsFan]

"If" the Flacco sack was a called play, why would such a play a better option than giving your running back the ball and trying for the two yards, that would have won the game? Both plays keep the clock running.

Even if Flacco had thrown the ball to a wide open receiver, the receiver could have just plain dropped just the ball (remember the NE playoff game), had the ball bound off his hands for an interception or even fumbled while trying to run with it. Not to mention the clock stopping for an in-completion.

If Flacco takes a QB sack on purpose, that means you weren't even trying to get the first down AND it meant that Flacco could have taken a hard it and fumbled.

QBs are easier to strip a ball from than a running back.

As in the example I gave where Billick had McNair literally run around back and forth behind the LOS (it looked absolutely ridiculous) -- it uses up a little more time on the clock, and since the QB is primed/expecting to be sacked, it's unlikely he'd fumble. Also, with a handoff there's a risk of a fumble there. But any way you slice it, it's absurd. But Cameron IS absurd, so that's the explanation in a nutcase. I mean nutshell. No, I mean nutcase.

[West Chester Raven]

calling me a nitwit is really the last gasp of a defeted troll....

he keeps winning and you get more miserable with every win....I'm convinced he stole your dog when you were just a bit less of a child than you are now...

would you be happier if he had thrown 5 picks?

No. What is this "troll defeated" garbage? This forum isn't a club for you and a few other like minded pals.
The "this other guy did worse", "who else are ya gonna get" argument is sad. That is what it comes down to. Flacco is up for an extension - and we have to be careful not to overpay him. He isn't the asset you seem to think he is. The team wins in spite of Joe - not because of him. Sure he has some nice games but he is a second rate passer n this league and can't carry the team. Open up your eyes and expand your horizons. Nobody on a national level thinks Flacco is much. It is you who are in the minority here.

[Andy in Hagerstown]

It was a defeatest call to say the least. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

Here is my problem I find a rather large disconnect between what the front office does and what Cam calls on the field. That concerns me. What we KNOW we have is a pro-bowl RB and FB. To me you run that ball to Yanda's side and hope for the best. But you are doing it with the best you have. You can't really throw the ball there and taking a sack on a planned play is just the dumbest most gutless call I could imagine.

The offense is ranked 20th again no real progress and still inconsistent with questionable play calling. The arguement has been made by Harbs and compnay that if you fire Cam who comes in to replace him? Fair argument. But I think we finally see Norv Turner get canned in SD. If Norv is out there and I am the Ravens I do everything in my power to bring him in as our OC and have him totally revamp the offense and the playbook.

[Frank Costanza 831]

It was a defeatest call to say the least. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

Here is my problem I find a rather large disconnect between what the front office does and what Cam calls on the field. That concerns me. What we KNOW we have is a pro-bowl RB and FB. To me you run that ball to Yanda's side and hope for the best. But you are doing it with the best you have. You can't really throw the ball there and taking a sack on a planned play is just the dumbest most gutless call I could imagine.

The offense is ranked 20th again no real progress and still inconsistent with questionable play calling. The arguement has been made by Harbs and compnay that if you fire Cam who comes in to replace him? Fair argument. But I think we finally see Norv Turner get canned in SD. If Norv is out there and I am the Ravens I do everything in my power to bring him in as our OC and have him totally revamp the offense and the playbook.

In terms of terrible play calling Norv might be second only to Cam. Josh McDaniels was available in 2010. But we missed the bus on that one

[OriginalColtsFan]

It was a defeatest call to say the least. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win.

Here is my problem I find a rather large disconnect between what the front office does and what Cam calls on the field. That concerns me. What we KNOW we have is a pro-bowl RB and FB. To me you run that ball to Yanda's side and hope for the best. But you are doing it with the best you have. You can't really throw the ball there and taking a sack on a planned play is just the dumbest most gutless call I could imagine.

The offense is ranked 20th again no real progress and still inconsistent with questionable play calling. The arguement has been made by Harbs and compnay that if you fire Cam who comes in to replace him? Fair argument. But I think we finally see Norv Turner get canned in SD. If Norv is out there and I am the Ravens I do everything in my power to bring him in as our OC and have him totally revamp the offense and the playbook.

Why not just go with Caldwell?

[OriginalColtsFan]

In terms of terrible play calling Norv might be second only to Cam. Josh McDaniels was available in 2010. But we missed the bus on that one

I disagree about Norv. He's an excellent OC; just a horrible HC.

[Darth Hater]

If he had done that then the ravens might have actually lost the game. As it was the steelers get the ball with a minute left and no time outs and an awful quarterbac.

It was the right move and the right call. If the Ravens ran it they would have been stopped. They couldn't get a half a yard run for a first down what maes anyone think they could have run for a first down there. I am sure the strategy was if you have a guy wide open throw it otherwise take the sack and we run down the clock and make them try and drive the field with no time outs.


Good call. I like how evereyone is clamoring for Cam to be fired. Let's see one of the worst defenses in the league and the team is 8-2. Also you do realize the steelers have the best defense in the game. And Flacco was missing on his passes.

Flacco was missing, and has been horrible on the road, but that was still a stupid playcall. Why would you risk getting you're QB hurt on a 50/50 play? I mean he didn't even try? He just froze up and took it? I agreee about the run not being there all game but why not put leach in there and you still take time off the clock instead of leaving your QB for a potential damaging hit or worse a turnover which Flacco is prone to do when being sacked. Playing to lose is never an option. As for Cam, I don't know how anybody in their right mind can defend the guy still being here? But that's another story altogether.

[can you hear me now!]

No. What is this "troll defeated" garbage? This forum isn't a club for you and a few other like minded pals.
The "this other guy did worse", "who else are ya gonna get" argument is sad. That is what it comes down to. Flacco is up for an extension - and we have to be careful not to overpay him. He isn't the asset you seem to think he is. The team wins in spite of Joe - not because of him. Sure he has some nice games but he is a second rate passer n this league and can't carry the team. Open up your eyes and expand your horizons. Nobody on a national level thinks Flacco is much. It is you who are in the minority here.

look at the whiny troll continue to bleat on.....

nobody thinks he is much? you sure about that? let me guess your definition of much starts at the water walker level and goes up to "can walk on water without getting feet wet" level....universal statements are another crutch for those bent on trolling....

like I said, you get more miseerable with each win...we get you some personal axe to grind....

my suggestion, don't go away mad, just go away...

[afan]

Sorry, but I believe you are totally wrong on the sack.

First of all there were 2 minutes left. Pissburgh had no TOs left. The dumbest two things that could have happened were 1) a turnover due to an INT, a muffed hand off or a fumble; or 2) an incomplete pass.

I just watched a replay of the game and strongly suspect (and to be sure I have no information to support this - other than my gut instinct) that Flacco made the same calculation.

Look at the results: when the referees blew the play after the sack, there were only 1:54 left on the clock (but it kept running!). The Ravens took a TO at the end of the play clock so there were only 1:14 seconds left on the clock. After the punt, only 55 seconds remained and the Squealers had the ball on their own 25 yard line.

I'd say that Flacco took the sack on purpose and I believe that it was a brilliant instance of clock management.

On the road...against the Number 1 defense in the NFL...and the Ravens got out with a win!

'nuff said.

Than why not just take a knee. By your opinion the most riskiest thing was the ball separating from the ball carrier but did we not see a bad snap earlier while Flacco was in the shotgun and almost lost the ball. I would have rather have seen a QB sneak or handoff on that play as it gives the chance of making a first down. To go to a prevent offense was a losers play.

[RavingManiac]

Why not just go with Caldwell?

Caldwell is part of the problem. You said "half jokingly" that you wonder if Caldwell had anything to do with the game planning vs Oakland because it was such a great game plan. Well, I "half jokingly" wonder if Caldwell had anything to do with game plan vs the Steelers. It can't be both ways. Caldwell is in on the game plans when they are good and not in them when they are bad. Thats silly. We will only go as far as Flacco takes us. Flacco stinks it up then we lose. Has nothing to do with Cam. We win despite of Joe, not because of him most of the time.

[RavingManiac]

Actually most of the time is not really right. Maybe half the time is a better choise of words.

[afan]

When Harbs backs Cam every week and on the TV just looks crazy on some calls by Cam one has to wonder if Cam has total control of the offense. I bet if Cam said to fumble the ball or run backwards for a safety Harbs would have backed the call. I think Harbs needs to grow a pair. Unlike his brother who has full control of every aspect of the 49ers. Harbs is a looker on.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Caldwell is part of the problem. You said "half jokingly" that you wonder if Caldwell had anything to do with the game planning vs Oakland because it was such a great game plan. Well, I "half jokingly" wonder if Caldwell had anything to do with game plan vs the Steelers. It can't be both ways. Caldwell is in on the game plans when they are good and not in them when they are bad. Thats silly. We will only go as far as Flacco takes us. Flacco stinks it up then we lose. Has nothing to do with Cam. We win despite of Joe, not because of him most of the time.

Cameron has a reputation for not taking input from either players OR underling coaches. Cameron is the problem. Period.

[West Chester Raven]

Caldwell is part of the problem. You said "half jokingly" that you wonder if Caldwell had anything to do with the game planning vs Oakland because it was such a great game plan. Well, I "half jokingly" wonder if Caldwell had anything to do with game plan vs the Steelers. It can't be both ways. Caldwell is in on the game plans when they are good and not in them when they are bad. Thats silly. We will only go as far as Flacco takes us. Flacco stinks it up then we lose. Has nothing to do with Cam. We win despite of Joe, not because of him most of the time.

Uh,oh, careful. Do you have a "personal axe to grind"? Are you miserable because we're winning? Me neither, but jokers like "Can You hear me now" seem to try to beat down any dissent on Mr Flacco. Read the comments on Preston's article about Joe's extension today. Many people feel the same way we do. All this garbage about Cam is just a bunch of excuse making. Cam isn't stupid. The QB s limited and the vanilla offense you see is a reflection of Joe's skill set.

[West Chester Raven]

Cameron has a reputation for not taking input from either players OR underling coaches. Cameron is the problem. Period.

Can you provide any links/articles supporting this? Or is it just an opinion? Cam coached Jim Harbaugh at University of Michigan, smart guy. There is a family connection there - no doubt about it. Cam also produced results as OC in San Diego. Drew Brees went to the Pro Bowl and helped the Chargers to a 12-4 record in Cam's offense - in his 2nd full year as a starter. San Diego made a mistake getting Rivers - Cam didn't draft Rivers.
In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history. Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category. In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points. Yep - Cam's an idiot.

[RavingManiac]

Can you provide any links/articles supporting this? Or is it just an opinion? Cam coached Jim Harbaugh at University of Michigan, smart guy. There is a family connection there - no doubt about it. Cam also produced results as OC in San Diego. Drew Brees went to the Pro Bowl and helped the Chargers to a 12-4 record in Cam's offense - in his 2nd full year as a starter. San Diego made a mistake getting Rivers - Cam didn't draft Rivers.
In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history. Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category. In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points. Yep - Cam's an idiot.

I was going to ask the same exact questions but I decided after all it wasn't worth it. These guys make up things like "Cam will not take any input whatsoever from anybody...." just to try and support their opinion. They don't think about getting called out on it like you just did. You make very good points that are facts. This guy will come up with "The only reason is because he had Gates etc..." I mean can't you say that about anything. The only reason the Pats won all those Super Bowls was because of Brady. The only reason Jerry Rice was any good was because he had Montana and Young throwing to him. The only reason Green Bay is any good whatsoever is because of Rodgers. Cam is only as good as Flacco makes him look. If you do not think Flacco is inconsistent then I feel sorry for you.

[RavingManiac]

Uh,oh, careful. Do you have a "personal axe to grind"? Are you miserable because we're winning? Me neither, but jokers like "Can You hear me now" seem to try to beat down any dissent on Mr Flacco. Read the comments on Preston's article about Joe's extension today. Many people feel the same way we do. All this garbage about Cam is just a bunch of excuse making. Cam isn't stupid. The QB s limited and the vanilla offense you see is a reflection of Joe's skill set.

I wish Flacco was more consistent. I'm just stating the obvious. Flacco is too inconsistent. He is a great qb at home and a terrible qb away. How in the world can that be Cam's fault? I like when these guys come up with "Where is the no huddle?" Where are the slants?" Like Cam hasn't thought of these kinds of plays. Love the Ravens. I have Flacco as my starting QB in my fantasy team. I truly thought he was going to have a breakout year along with Torrey. I was wrong. We are still in good position though to make a good run. Webb put a big dent in those plans but I'm still hopeful.

[can you hear me now!]

Uh,oh, careful. Do you have a "personal axe to grind"? Are you miserable because we're winning? Me neither, but jokers like "Can You hear me now" seem to try to beat down any dissent on Mr Flacco. Read the comments on Preston's article about Joe's extension today. Many people feel the same way we do. All this garbage about Cam is just a bunch of excuse making. Cam isn't stupid. The QB s limited and the vanilla offense you see is a reflection of Joe's skill set.

look another whiny troll post complete with personal attack....wow, just an epic fail on your part..again....and again...and again..and again...

and of course the necessary shot at the QB....please explain limited...may be you can get to that right after you define "much"....you see to be all talk and very little if any substance...again...and again....and again...and again....

[Rintrah]

The Ravens game plan obviously was to not let the Steelers defense beat us because they didn't think the Steelers offense could. If we hadn't scored the punt return TD, the offense would have opened things up more. But once we had the lead, the top priority was to commit no turnovers. This had to be from Harbaugh and not Cameron. The Ravens weren't going anywhere on short yardage runs so they figured a pass was their best hope. But Flacco was to make that pass only if it was completely wide open. If it wasn't, he was to hold onto the ball so we could use up 40 more seconds. I didn't think that was a bad strategy.