Maryland move to Big 10 approved

[TonyD79]

Please compare the UVA and UNC endowments to the junior colleges of the midwest and then get back to me.

Sports ? Yeah, cool !

But that ain't the point of college, is it ?

Wow. Spouting off without facts.

THREE Big Ten schools have bigger endowments than UVa: Michigan, Northwestern and the University of Chicago, which is a full member of the Big Ten. You see, unlike the ACC, you can be a member and play ZERO Division I sports because the Big Ten is a academic and research conference as well as an athletic one.

But don't let more facts get into the way of your myopic view.

Oh, and it would appear that ALL 13 current Big Ten schools have an endowment of $1 billion or more in 2011. There are 73 schools with $1 billion or more and the Big Ten has 13.

Yup, junior colleges.

Can you be any more uneducated?

[slapshot]

Wow. Spouting off without facts.

THREE Big Ten schools have bigger endowments than UVa: Michigan, Northwestern and the University of Chicago, which is a full member of the Big Ten. You see, unlike the ACC, you can be a member and play ZERO Division I sports because the Big Ten is a academic and research conference as well as an athletic one.

But don't let more facts get into the way of your myopic view.

Oh, and it would appear that ALL 13 current Big Ten schools have an endowment of $1 billion or more in 2011. There are 73 schools with $1 billion or more and the Big Ten has 13.

Yup, junior colleges.

Can you be any more uneducated?

Re: University of Chicago in the B1G.

Excellent find. That will make a great trivia question for my two boys - Michigan and Purdue grads - at Christmas. Chicago use to compete in football. Sort of like MIT or CalTech doing battle on the gridiron. Epic. Would love to have seen....

[Eastside Terp]

well, I wouldn't count on Md getting out on the cheap like some have speculated ......

ACC files lawsuit against Maryland in North Carolina court

University of Maryland President Wallace D. Loh has asserted repeatedly that the school would not end up paying the full exit fee of more than $50 million to the Atlantic Coast Conference. Loh, a Yale law graduate, has said the court would throw that penalty out.The ACC may test his theory. The athletic conference has sued the University of Maryland, seeking a declaration that the school owes the full $52,266,342 stipulated by the conference’s constitution.

It’s more likely, though, that the suit will hasten negotiations and lead to a settlement before Maryland’s planned departure to the Big Ten in July 2014.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...,5331313.story

[slapshot]

As the saying goes, "If you have a phone, you have a lawyer"

Guess the ACC comish found his phone?

If Plank was 100% behind the move, as the papers reported, I'm sure he will soften the blow.

[infinite looper]

i can't remember if it's been posted here or not, but Plant cashed out $56+ million worth of UA shares a week before UMD dropped the bomb.

it's safe to say he's behind this move.

[kudzu]

Sure, let's compare to Mich and Northwestern.

UVa and UNC aren't even listed in the list of top 10 endowments, but Michigan and Northwest are. No Dook, either. Fail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...ty_of_Michigan

But even if they were, endowments usually don't play into athletics unless specifically designated. That's rare. The fact is, the overall endowment numbers contain medical, dental and law school monies, which doesn't help athletics or undergraduate education. For example, large donations that are made to the university of Maryland medical school, in Baltimore, are usually earmarked for cancer or heart research, etc, and have no impact on operations or teaching at CP. When schools quote their endowment, they include all monies earmarked for the school, even if they have no impact on undergraduate education....and most certainly, athletics. Medical research monies are a huge percentage of a universities endowment.

No, let's compare Duke to NW. Duke wins.

And UVA to UM ? Best you can do is a hopefull tie.

btw - check out UVA's endowment amongst publics. Ouch.

[kudzu]

Wow. Spouting off without facts.

THREE Big Ten schools have bigger endowments than UVa: Michigan, Northwestern and the University of Chicago, which is a full member of the Big Ten. You see, unlike the ACC, you can be a member and play ZERO Division I sports because the Big Ten is a academic and research conference as well as an athletic one.

But don't let more facts get into the way of your myopic view.

Oh, and it would appear that ALL 13 current Big Ten schools have an endowment of $1 billion or more in 2011. There are 73 schools with $1 billion or more and the Big Ten has 13.

Yup, junior colleges.

Can you be any more uneducated?

I will flay you (virtually) alive if you persist in such stupidity.

You want to DARE to put PIG Ten (um, eleven, um, twelve, thirteen, whatever) academics up against the ACC ?

Dig you own grave, then.

[slapshot]

No, let's compare Duke to NW. Duke wins.

Nope, wrong again.

Duke: $5.74 bil; Northwestern: $7.18 bil

Not even close. LOL.

And UVA to UM ? Best you can do is a hopefull tie.
.

Stupidity running amok. Having fun, yet?

UVa's endowment in 2011 was $4.76bil, while Michigan's endowement was $7.84 bil.

Again, not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_endowment

Further, and as pointed out by another poster, UVa tries to be like a small liberal arts college. By public,major research institutions, UVa is a joke. A niche school.

[kudzu]

Nope, wrong again.

Duke: $5.74 bil; Northwestern: $7.18 bil

Not even close. LOL.





Stupidity running amok. Having fun, yet?

UVa's endowment in 2011 was $4.76bil, while Michigan's endowement was $7.84 bil.

Again, not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_endowment

Further, and as pointed out by another poster, UVa tries to be like a small liberal arts college. By public,major research institutions, UVa is a joke. A niche school.

Oh, so now we're gonna measure colleges by ENDOWMENT ?

I only did that 'cause did it first, btw.

Enlignten us - - why are you teaching at an ACC school when you could be teaching in Nebraska ?

[slapshot]

Oh, so now we're gonna measure colleges by ENDOWMENT ?

Your metric, not mine.

Fail. Try again.

Enlignten us - - why are you teaching at an ACC school when you could be teaching in Nebraska ?

Why move, when in a year, the best conference will come to me here at Maryland.

[kudzu]

Your metric, not mine.

Fail. Try again.





Why move, when in a year, the best conference will come to me here at Maryland.

Ok, let's put this in terms that your (obviously Big Ten) education can understand.

What makes you think that Maryland, which can barely manage to compete in the ACC, can do better in a lesser academic yet better football conference ?

[Brohan]

Your metric, not mine.

Fail. Try again.





Why move, when in a year, the best conference will come to me here at Maryland.

OK, he's had enough.......this is getting sad.

[slapshot]

OK, he's had enough.......this is getting sad.

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing.

Normally, the kudzu man can put up a spirited, and sometimes, informed fight. But not lately. Way off his game.

Even the insults are below par. Maybe just lonely and looking for attention?

[kudzu]

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing.

Normally, the kudzu man can put up a spirited, and sometimes, informed fight. But not lately. Way off his game.

Even the insults are below par. Maybe just lonely and looking for attention?

I HATE Maryland leaving the ACC. Even more than I HATE Louisville and Notre freakin' Dame joining it.

I'm a traditionalist. Sue me.

[slapshot]

I HATE Maryland leaving the ACC. Even more than I HATE Louisville and Notre freakin' Dame joining it.

I'm a traditionalist. Sue me.

Pouting and stomping your feet won't undo the deal.

Maryland's move represents the new reality of big time college sports. A transformation that has been ongoing since the time when college athletes were STUDENTS, first. Only the Ivy's have retained much of that tradition, IMO, and have refused to chase the money. That's not the priority for the Ivy's.

Let me compare it to the continual escalation of faculty salaries....when a rival/peer schools starts to offer better facilities and salaries to it's faculty....all the other schools have to follow suit if they don't want to fall too far behind. Same thing with big time sports - ie, better facilities, coaches salaries go through the roof, and schools start recruiting middle school kids. Oh, and conferences start to gobble up new members to grow TV revenue....which feeds back to member schools so they can then pay more to get top coaches, and build new/better/bigger facilities. It never ends? You can fall in line, or resign yourself to falling further behind. It's all gone insane.But it is, what it is.

And I am very happy to have Md. in the Big Ten. Old traditions may be gone for you, but new ones (ie, Penn State) will be rekindled. Maryland is a strong academic institution that will fit in very well, in a conference like the Big Ten, that is predominantly (unlike the ACC) composed of land grant public research institutions.

[kudzu]

Pouting and stomping your feet won't undo the deal.

Maryland's move represents the new reality of big time college sports. A transformation that has been ongoing since the time when college athletes were STUDENTS, first. Only the Ivy's have retained much of that tradition, IMO, and have refused to chase the money. That's not the priority for the Ivy's.

Let me compare it to the continual escalation of faculty salaries....when a rival/peer schools starts to offer better facilities and salaries to it's faculty....all the other schools have to follow suit if they don't want to fall too far behind. Same thing with big time sports - ie, better facilities, coaches salaries go through the roof, and schools start recruiting middle school kids. Oh, and conferences start to gobble up new members to grow TV revenue....which feeds back to member schools so they can then pay more to get top coaches, and build new/better/bigger facilities. It never ends? You can fall in line, or resign yourself to falling further behind. It's all gone insane.But it is, what it is.

Wake me up when Virginia or even Michigan sells out for money like Maryland did.

Methinks they'd rather fall on their sword than to stoop to such a depth.

There's ways for a university to get better without putting sports before academics.

[slapshot]

Wake me up when Virginia or even Michigan sells out for money like Maryland did.

Michigan is in a very unique position, with regards to sports. They have such a rich tradition, much like ND, that they can survive decades of mediocre performance on the field...,and still not suffer at the turn style.

As for Va - the bigger issue would be, who would want them? They have no tradition/clout in football or basketball (the only two revenue sports), and being stuck in the sticks of so. Virginia, they don't bring anything to the TV market. Not to mention - the small size of the school, translates to a small alumni base, that actually hurts their viewership. Nobody cares what happens to Va. Really, nobody cares.

There's ways for a university to get better without putting sports before academics.

If you are going to site ND and/ or Stanford, sorry to disappoint, but they too lower their academic quals to accept premier athletes in revenue sports. Maybe not as much as some other schools, but they do.

Further, both ND and Stanford have financial resources to get the best coaches, that most other schools can only dream of. But it's still about the money. If you don't have the money, and you put academics above sports, you won't be able to compete at a high level...at least on a consistent basis.

[demopublican]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...181258221.html

A Penn State sorority has become the focus of an investigation after a racist Mexican-themed party picture was posted to the Web, according to the independent Penn State blog, Onward State.

The picture, said to be taken around Halloween, shows the women dressed in sombreros and mustaches. Some of the women held signs that read "Will mow lawn for weed + beer" and "I don't cut grass I smoke it."

Big Ten Class

[slapshot]

ACC "class"

From Duke:

"Rally denounces racism after Duke Univ. fraternity party mocking Mexicans"

http://www.minorityjobs.net/article/...-Mexicans.html

"DURHAM, N.C. (AP) - Protesters at Duke University rallied against a fraternity that promoted a party with fliers that looked like expired green cards and a mock border patrol checkpoint at the door.

The chapter's Web site also posted an image of a drunken Mexican, but the fraternity president said Tuesday that that notice wasn't authorized by the chapter's leaders.

"Everything that I am - my family, customs, culture and language - was violated," said Sandra Sanchez, who helped organize the demonstration Monday at Duke Chapel. "The stereotypes of drunk Mexicans and border crossing was hurtful."

[pmore108]

As a terp alum I was a little distraught about the move to the big ten originally but I think it will help the athletic department in the long run. I think that it is sad to lose the tradition, but the money is what we need unfortunately.

With that said, the stuff on here about which conference is 'classier' or better is a little ridiculous. Both conferences have schools with rich academic tradition and great student bodies. However, nothing irks me more than when any of the 50 penn state alums I work withwould tell me how their school is "blue collar, working class, salt of the earth", etc and the Miami, LSU, Bama guys were "cheaters". I said for years that the only reason you didn't hear about scandal was because of Joe Pa's grip on all things PSU football. Lo and behold, we saw what came to pass. Also, don't think that it ends with their football team, the wrestling team has had it's problems as well. The other annoying type of talk I have heard from big ten fans in the past is the "kids from school "X" don't join the military or have a strong ROTC tradition like us, aren't farm kids, are just a bunch of rich kids, etc". Give me a break. I know/knew a ton of guys who went into the military or were reservists who deployed during my time at UMD (2000-2004). Also, there are a ton of veterans who choose to go the UMUC route as well in college park. UMD has a ton of kids from rural areas both in state and out. That kind of talk will hopefully stop as time goes on but i have my doubts