Did they purposely wait for the Dream Act's survival before moving to the Big Ten?

[bmore_ken]

to support them in all their arrogance and sense of entitlement disgusts and offends me.

Have you ever had a discussion with an illegal alien to know they feel this way? I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that

[jtowne-swim]

As the son of legal asian immigrants, the presence of illegal aliens in my country and the fact that I am paying taxes to support them in all their arrogance and sense of entitlement disgusts and offends me.

Your bigotry disgusts me.....but I have to tolerate it!

[Marshan Man]

As the son of legal asian immigrants, the presence of illegal aliens in my country and the fact that I am paying taxes to support them in all their arrogance and sense of entitlement disgusts and offends me.

You have some nerve. Did your parents bring you over here to be the hateful bigot you've become?? You don't know a damned thing about America. You're like a little dictator of your own little world...and if given the opportunity you'd do the same thing in a leadership position. God forbid if you're ever given the least amount of power...hope you're not a cop or even a damned crossing guard. Our constitution was written to protect the citizenry from bigoted maniacal would be dictators such as yourself...

[sigmalady]

As the son of legal asian immigrants, the presence of illegal aliens in my country and the fact that I am paying taxes to support them in all their arrogance and sense of entitlement disgusts and offends me.

And you know this because you have so many interactions with illegal aliens. Do you ask everyone you meet whether they are legally? And have you seen your parent's immigration documents? Are you equally offended by the people who employ them under the table?

[Bloomin Onion]

So I'm a hateful bigot for opposing illegal immigration and being against the idea of my tax money going to illegals and the government here actively trying to make life easier for illegals?????

I was born in America, in the great state of Louisiana to be exact, where taxes are low, illegal immigration is not tolerated, and criminals are put to death. Where people have good values and are not rabidly in support of abortion and gay marriage. I am also a God fearing Christian who cares strongly about moral values and the rule of law. THere is nothing bigoted about opposing illegal immigration and being against taxpayer funded ways to make life easier and more convenient for illegals.

And about their arrogance have you seen the protestors wearing shirts that say "illegal and unafraid" or "Viva La Raza" and "Si Se Puede"????? Or people saying that "The Border Crossed Us"??????? You see these illegal Dream Act students on TV? THey all talk as if we owe them in-state tuition, like thats something that they are entitled to. Have any of them EVER APOLOGIZED to the American people for coming here illegally and stealing from our country and begged for our mercy and forgiveness?

Its not evne that they admit to commiting crimes and are asking to be forgiven for their crimes. They act like they have a God given right to be here, to enjoy everything this country has and like they are entitlted to taxpayer funded services like in-state tuition, drivers licenses, health care, and even bilingual education. Many of them are not interested in asssimilating culturally or in being American. Most of the illegal Dreamers would indeed be more comfortably culturally, racially, and lingistically at home in their native countries.

[Bloomin Onion]

And all these issues are related. Now that the Annapolis Democrats can boast of all the referendums failing, they are pushing more liberal laws out now like they are trying to ban capital punishment in the state. If that happens there must be yet another petition effort.

[musicmd]

As the son of legal asian immigrants, the presence of illegal aliens in my country and the fact that I am paying taxes to support them in all their arrogance and sense of entitlement disgusts and offends me.

If you do not like it here, take your Asian anchor baby arse back to china, and take those stink bugs with you.

[jtowne-swim]

So I'm a hateful bigot for opposing illegal immigration and being against the idea of my tax money going to illegals and the government here actively trying to make life easier for illegals?????

......

No, that does not make you a bigot. You are a bigot for the subhuman contempt you hold them in as if they are not people with dignity. You are a hipocrite because you don't oppose the employers who hire them!

[Bloomin Onion]

No, that does not make you a bigot. You are a bigot for the subhuman contempt you hold them in as if they are not people with dignity. You are a hipocrite because you don't oppose the employers who hire them!

I do indeed oppose the employers who hire them. In fact I believe it should be a felony punishable with large fines.....I believe that is a business is found to hire illegals they should be forced to shut down permanently no ands ifs or buts. I think repeated violations should result in prison time, such as the case of individual Americans hiring illegal housekeepers and gardeners. IN fact I know many Americans who are in the construction and cleaning businesses who have seen wages drop and jobs taken by illegal aliens. The passage of the Dream Act further encourages illegal aliens to come to Maryland from Virginia and other states that are tougher on illegal immigration.

Perhaps YOU jtownswim (I assume you are a Mont County/DC area liberal from your name) don't understand why I find it so offensive that my family came here legally and played by all the rules and now we have to pay higher taxes and tuition to support the illegal alien Dreamers, or how its even not fair to student from other US states who are losing their spots to illegals. Now illegal aliens take priority over talented out of state students. Illegal alien applicants are judged based on in-state academic standards but take out of state spots. I'm sure the liberals will ddemand that every illegal alien that wants a spot be given one until out of state students are admitte. This will drive down the average GPAs and SAT scores for our state universities. It will overwhelm community colleges with hordes of illegal aliens and result in higher tuition and higher local taxes.

Jtownswim, are you not offended by the arrogance and sense of entitlement these illegal aliens have? Or the contempt they have for the law and how they must ridicule and mock people like my parents who came here LEGALLY and became citizens and earned the right to be American? There are racists on this board questioning my Americanness. I was born in the real America, in Louisiana. You judge me based on my skin color but I am a proud Southerner and American just like anyone else I grew up around. I beleive in God, I vote Republican, and yes, I do own some Confederate flags. I go to church and listen to country music, and vote for the GOP and believe in small town values. I don't know how more American I can get from this.

Does it NOT offend you that these Dreamers act like in-state tuition is a God given right???? That they somehow deserve and are entitled to it??? How come none of them have ever apologized to the American people for coming here illegally and stealing from this nation? Why do they not beg for our mercy and forgiveness instead of making demands on us?

[Bloomin Onion]

OH yes and jtownswim and musicmd, my views regarding illegal immigration, gay marriage, and the death penalty are quite in line with those of most of the country. Yall have spent too much time in liberal O'Malley lala land.

[ivanbalt]

OH yes and jtownswim and musicmd, my views regarding illegal immigration, gay marriage, and the death penalty are quite in line with those of most of the country. Yall have spent too much time in liberal O'Malley lala land.

Better move to the heartland if gay marriage upsets you that much.

[Baltimatt]

Better move to the heartland if gay marriage upsets you that much.

Except Iowa. Iowa has same-sex marriage.

Minnesota may get it next year.

[jtowne-swim]

I do indeed oppose the employers who hire them. In fact I believe it should be a felony punishable with large fines.....I believe that is a business is found to hire illegals they should be forced to shut down permanently no ands ifs or buts. I think repeated violations should result in prison time, such as the case of individual Americans hiring illegal housekeepers and gardeners. IN fact I know many Americans who are in the construction and cleaning businesses who have seen wages drop and jobs taken by illegal aliens. The passage of the Dream Act further encourages illegal aliens to come to Maryland from Virginia and other states that are tougher on illegal immigration.

Perhaps YOU jtownswim (I assume you are a Mont County/DC area liberal from your name) don't understand why I find it so offensive that my family came here legally and played by all the rules and now we have to pay higher taxes and tuition to support the illegal alien Dreamers, or how its even not fair to student from other US states who are losing their spots to illegals. Now illegal aliens take priority over talented out of state students. Illegal alien applicants are judged based on in-state academic standards but take out of state spots. I'm sure the liberals will ddemand that every illegal alien that wants a spot be given one until out of state students are admitte. This will drive down the average GPAs and SAT scores for our state universities. It will overwhelm community colleges with hordes of illegal aliens and result in higher tuition and higher local taxes.

Jtownswim, are you not offended by the arrogance and sense of entitlement these illegal aliens have? Or the contempt they have for the law and how they must ridicule and mock people like my parents who came here LEGALLY and became citizens and earned the right to be American? There are racists on this board questioning my Americanness. I was born in the real America, in Louisiana. You judge me based on my skin color but I am a proud Southerner and American just like anyone else I grew up around. I beleive in God, I vote Republican, and yes, I do own some Confederate flags. I go to church and listen to country music, and vote for the GOP and believe in small town values. I don't know how more American I can get from this.

Does it NOT offend you that these Dreamers act like in-state tuition is a God given right???? That they somehow deserve and are entitled to it??? How come none of them have ever apologized to the American people for coming here illegally and stealing from this nation? Why do they not beg for our mercy and forgiveness instead of making demands on us?

To your first point, I don't see how my name makes you think I am a "DC/Mont county liberal" do you know where jtowne is? Are you ignorant of that?

Second clearly you do not understand the dream act bill. A "dreamer" must go to community college first. I do not see community colleges turning away students. Second after 2 years if they apply to let's say UMD College Park, They must meet the same academic admission standards as any other students. They are not taking a spot from an out of state student, if they get in they earned it based on their academic record as a better academic student than a kid from PA or NJ. The only thing that changes is the tutition which I argue most will not be able to pay anyway so really these "dreamers" will pop up at the Frostburgs, Bowies etc who have unfilled spaces!

Finally the Dream act does not equal a sense of entitlement. In fact your arguement for out of state students seems to make me think you believe they (the out of state student) is entitled to a spot in a MD public university.

Finally I don't see "dreamers" demanding anything! I agree we need comprehensive immagration reform but building a fence is not the answer and that is the federal government's job! Both conservatives and Liberals have failed to do that. In fact the DREAM act is hardly original......Conservative states like Texas and Kansas came up with it. I didn't see you opposing it than!

You sir are a Bigot just like Marion Barry! You treat them as subhuman.

[jtowne-swim]

Except Iowa. Iowa has same-sex marriage.

Minnesota may get it next year.

Arizona too. The have domestic partnerships which after this SCOTUS session depending on the DOMA decision they may have to honor as a marriage.

Blommin I believe you will find the majority of the country is starting to find SSM as acceptable! Perhaps your Death Penelty views are more in line with Texas.....but than they have had the Dream act for about 10 years!

[Baltimatt]

jtowne-

Arizona has a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. You need to do a better job convincing me that what you say is true. It seems state officials want to cancel domestic partnership benefits for state employees.

Despite all the poor news reporting, Arizona actually voted down a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage and civil unions in 2006, only to have a ban on just marriage enacted in 2008.

[jtowne-swim]

jtowne-

Arizona has a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. You need to do a better job convincing me that what you say is true. It seems state officials want to cancel domestic partnership benefits for state employees.

Despite all the poor news reporting, Arizona actually voted down a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage and civil unions in 2006, only to have a ban on just marriage enacted in 2008.

Yes, however the denial of benfits is one of the 10 cases SCOTUS is looking at in it's decision to review a DOMA case. Most of the experts I read seem to think the brief is one of the longer shoots to end up being selected and the Windsor case is more apt to be selected but it is one of them up for review. I believe if the stay on the AZ law is upheld and they get told they have to offer benefits it will become a semetic arguement between domestic partnerships and marriage.

The difference in the two votes was the 2006 banned domestic partnerships and marriage but the later only banned marriage!

[Baltimatt]

jtown--

The terminology around this issue is often confusing. Domestic partnerships are anything from marriage without the name (Washington state) to very limited recognition of the relationship for things like heath care benefits. It appears Arizona has the latter.

[Bloomin Onion]

Jtown,

I do concede I was wrong in thinking you were from the DC area. I had "Georgetown" in mind with jtown how I think its probably Joppatowne. I should know better. I live in Dundalk which is not that far away from it. And yes most people around here are very much against the Dream Act, some do support gay marriage but most hate O'Malley.

Because community colleges don't turn people away, they will be forced to accept large numbers of additional illegal alien students. That will result in higher local taxes and higher tuition for all students in community colleges. If there are unfilled spots at state universities, or if colleges can absorb more stduents, those spots should go to American citizens. There is a sense of entitlement because illegal aliens deserve NOTHING. It is a sense of entitlement for them to demand ANYTHING from this country since they shouldn't be here in the first place. Their very presence here is illegal. They should be thankful we are not able to deport all of them. All my arguments and stances are based on this premise and principle. I don't want my tax money going to illegals in any way.