Why was there an Israel-Gaza war in the first place?

[flyboy56]

Actually uche, WKD and I veered off onto another discussion. Sorry if we confused you brother.

[Retired Ramp Guy]

I am new to this forum folks. 56 is the year I was born. I am also a Vietnam Era Veteran who is very proud of the service to my country.

ahhhhh.... 1956 plus 20 = 1976............

are you saying you were one of the last out of Saigon as a 18/19 year old?

[flyboy56]

No Ramp, I'm saying I was in the military during the Vietnam war. I joined in May of 1974. Fortunately knowing what I know now I did not serve in Vietnam. Hence the "Era." How about you?

[flyboy56]

The Saigon US Embassy airlift evac took place in April of 1975. The war officially ended in June of the same year.

[Jeebus]

So suicide bombs, targeting civilians, and using your own women and children as convenient shields and propaganda are the means you would use to fight?

Israel is called the bad guy for what they do to the Palestinians. But no one seems to care what groups like Hamas do to the Palestinians. This shows me that there is no actual concern for the Palestinians, just in removing a Jewish state.

This.

[Retired Ramp Guy]

No Ramp, I'm saying I was in the military during the Vietnam war. I joined in May of 1974. Fortunately knowing what I know now I did not serve in Vietnam. Hence the "Era." How about you?

USMC 66-70

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Unit patch

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Chu Lia

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[flyboy56]

I was in the Army. MOS 67N20. Helicopter crew chief on the Huey UH1. Gathering by the pictures you posted you were also in aviation. Correct?

[Phineas Finn]

And how many American lives were lost libersting your country during WWII? With anger directed towards Americans over Japan during WWII I'm calling you out as a poster fraud. I have spoken to a few Belgium Nazi sympathizers who are still angry at the US for liberating Belgium.

And with Japan, we weren't going to accept anything but an unconditional surrender. And would never stop fighting due to their samurai convictions.

Apparently history is not your strong suit. We didn't liberate England; we didn't have to since they were never occupied.

Do you spend much time chatting with Nazi sympathizers?

[flyboy56]

Finn, you can't come in on the last of the posts and expect to know what the hell is going on! I wrote that before WDK told me he was from England. As far as Nazi sympathizers, when you come on these forums you never know who your going to run into. But that is what makes forums so interesting.

[Retired Ramp Guy]

I was in the Army. MOS 67N20. Helicopter crew chief on the Huey UH1. Gathering by the pictures you posted you were also in aviation. Correct?

Correct

[SomeIdiot]

I'd say there was just another war/battle in the ongoing conflict for the purpose of collectively punishing the Palestinian people living in Gaza. I'd imagine it happened now for electoral reasons.

It isn't as though another bunch of bomb sorties was going to resolve the situation, but then the Netanyahu government (and of course Hamas as well) isn't really interested in resolving the conflict. It's too useful for them politically.

[zenwalk]

It did serve to punt the Palestinian Authority out of the game.

There are numerous radical Islamic groups. No defense of Hamas, but they do catch the flak for every Tom Dick and Abdullah with a rocket launcher. The Israelis feel that if Hamas wants to be thought of as the overall political control of Gaza, then they are the ones who will pay, their fault or not.

[flyboy56]

I'd say there was just another war/battle in the ongoing conflict for the purpose of collectively punishing the Palestinian people living in Gaza. I'd imagine it happened now for electoral reasons.

It isn't as though another bunch of bomb sorties was going to resolve the situation, but then the Netanyahu government (and of course Hamas as well) isn't really interested in resolving the conflict. It's too useful for them politically.

Or that it is necessary to destroy the stockpiles of rockets that Hamas has been building and storing. Without any real solution to the conflict this is really all Israel can do to protect it's citizens. If I had a neighbor who thought it was funny to annoy me by lobbing half eaten apples and oranges over my fence, I'd be heaving bowling balls back at them.

[ivanbalt]

It did serve to punt the Palestinian Authority out of the game.

There are numerous radical Islamic groups. No defense of Hamas, but they do catch the flak for every Tom Dick and Abdullah with a rocket launcher. The Israelis feel that if Hamas wants to be thought of as the overall political control of Gaza, then they are the ones who will pay, their fault or not.

Hamas is the government in Gaza and they seem to have no interest in removing radical Islamic groups since they themselves are one. When an elected government party's stated goal it the destruction of Israel, chances are they will get the most attention from Israel.

[ericpd]

Is this a trick question? Cause the answer to this one is silly simple and written all over the face of logic and common sense! The answer,...? Because there's a israel!

[flyboy56]

And the question was, ericpd?

[beeg jacques]

Is this a trick question? Cause the answer to this one is silly simple and written all over the face of logic and common sense! The answer,...? Because there's a israel!

Exactly.

And hate-crazed jihadists are merely fulfilling the principles of their Charter.

From the Hamas Covenant:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews)

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep.

They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

[flyboy56]

Not every Jew or Israeli are part of the Zionist organization. And the Zionist would not be able to carry out their agenda without outside help.

[flyboy56]

It is well known that President Kennedy wanted to give more power to the UN, and decrease the US's power. He was also going to limit the amount of influence the military complex would have in the US which even Eisenhower said could be come a bad thing for the US. So today we now have a weak UN and a very strong military complex. I don't have a problem with a weak UN, but I am concerned about the military complex.