Breaking news :ao calls out st. Frances (entire coaching staff)

[agentorange]

OK BOYS....HERE WE GO.....

After 7 years of posting on this board, most of you know me as everything from dead serious to silly as can be. However, on this particuliar day, AO is as serious as it frikken gets.....I am officially calling out the entire Saint Frances varsity football team to include its less than professional and cowardly head coach, his backwards assistants and their thuggish players.I think it was completely deplorable, disgraceful and pathetic the way St Frances resorted to dirty and despicable play vs Mt Carmel several weeks ago.


SHAME ON YOU

The St Frances coach's turned their backs as their kids resorted to the dirtiest tactics I have ever seen. The St Frances players intentionally hurt many of the Mt Carmel players and sent several to the enmergency room. The St Frances coach's turned their backs as their kids became more and more rediculous as the game wore on.


HOW BAD DID IT GET

The Mt Carmel Principal actually took the feild and pulled his players off the feild and brought a end to the game. What I witnessed was much worst then anything like what happened in Fort Hill a few years back.


NOT WHAT IS EXPECTED FROM MIAA PLAY

Simply put, I cannot believe the Miaa would allow this type of behavior from its players, much less its coach's. Coach Robb Johnson has been nothing if anything but the consumate professional who has built a respected program from scratch. To sit by and allow another coach and his staff from what is supposed to be a Christian academy is extremely sad.

[Bobcat74]

AO, I am not defending either team here. I was also at the game. MC was just outmatched. They did not have a chance in this game. They forfeited their regular season game against SF. Only one player was sent to the hospital for later which was termed a stinger. Their assistant prinicpal and who is their athletic director also decided to cancel the game. He was just looking for an excuse to cancel the game because they knew they were outmatched. You said that MC was a respectable program. If you call beating friends and lutheran as a respectable program, i just dont know. MC just barely beat Lutheran by a touchdown. Lutheran lost to SF 72-0. The playoff game was heading in that same direction. MC only had 25 players on their sideline. From what I saw I do not even see MC hanging with AACS or Pallotti who might come down next year. Flat out SF was the real deal this year and more physical. Should of SF started the game with their 2nd and 3rd string players?

OK BOYS....HERE WE GO.....

After 7 years of posting on this board, most of you know me as everything from dead serious to silly as can be. However, on this particuliar day, AO is as serious as it frikken gets.....I am officially calling out the entire Saint Frances varsity football team to include its less than professional and cowardly head coach, his backwards assistants and their thuggish players.I think it was completely deplorable, disgraceful and pathetic the way St Frances resorted to dirty and despicable play vs Mt Carmel several weeks ago.


SHAME ON YOU

The St Frances coach's turned their backs as their kids resorted to the dirtiest tactics I have ever seen. The St Frances players intentionally hurt many of the Mt Carmel players and sent several to the enmergency room. The St Frances coach's turned their backs as their kids became more and more rediculous as the game wore on.


HOW BAD DID IT GET

The Mt Carmel Principal actually took the feild and pulled his players off the feild and brought a end to the game. What I witnessed was much worst then anything like what happened in Fort Hill a few years back.


NOT WHAT IS EXPECTED FROM MIAA PLAY

Simply put, I cannot believe the Miaa would allow this type of behavior from its players, much less its coach's. Coach Robb Johnson has been nothing if anything but the consumate professional who has built a respected program from scratch. To sit by and allow another coach and his staff from what is supposed to be a Christian academy is extremely sad.

[agentorange]

AO, I am not defending either team here. I was also at the game. MC was just outmatched. They did not have a chance in this game. They forfeited their regular season game against SF. Only one player was sent to the hospital for later which was termed a stinger. Their assistant prinicpal and who is their athletic director also decided to cancel the game. He was just looking for an excuse to cancel the game because they knew they were outmatched. You said that MC was a respectable program. If you call beating friends and lutheran as a respectable program, i just dont know. MC just barely beat Lutheran by a touchdown. Lutheran lost to SF 72-0. The playoff game was heading in that same direction. MC only had 25 players on their sideline. From what I saw I do not even see MC hanging with AACS or Pallotti who might come down next year. Flat out SF was the real deal this year and more physical. Should of SF started the game with their 2nd and 3rd string players?

What and the hell does the score have to do with anything....the dirty play was just what it was...dirty play....but lets leave it up to the miaa to decide this one...

[Coach Frederick]

To agentorange and all the other individuals who want to speak with ignorance towards St. Frances and its football program:

Before I speak about how ignorant individuals are about St. Frances and its football program, I must speak on agentorange’s outlandish recount of the Mt. Carmel game. First off, where do you get off making absurd accusations about the St. Frances’ football coaches and student-athletes, when you have never been to more than one game, one practice, or even having the decency to come and speak to us man-to-man. You state that our head coach is cowardly and unprofessional, but have you ever spoken to the man? Do you know the standards that he sets both academically and athletically for his student-athletes? Do you know that personal fouls are inexcusable on his team, and that he pulls our student-athletes out of games when they commit those penalties with no intention of returning them? No you do not, because you are an outsider looking in with no intentions of getting to know the facts about this program. You state that St. Frances resorted to dirty and despicable play vs. Mt. Carmel. Were you even at the game? How is over powering your opponent dirty or despicable? If we were playing so dirty and despicable, then how come we were not consistently penalized for personal fouls? We do not cut block at the line of scrimmage, we do not hit late, we do not tackle by the face mask, and we do not lead with our heads, so please enlighten me how we play dirty. One Mt. Carmel student-athlete went to the ER and the St. Frances’ coaching staff, AD, and Principal were on the field supporting that student-athlete the entire time he was being attended to by the trainer and medical team. In fact, our coaches and players prayed with the Mt. Carmel team for the healthy recovery of that student-athlete. Moreover, the St. Frances’ head coach, brought both teams together at the end, had everyone touch an opposite color jersey and led the group in the Lord’s Prayer. So please, tell me how we’re unprofessional, despicable, not Christian, because at St. Frances, our priorities are 1) God 2) Family 3) Academics 4) Athletics and we do not change that for anyone or anything.

Now, it amazes me how everyone has a negative opinion towards a program that has turned itself around and making strides to improve its situation. More impressively, I am intrigued how people formulate these opinions without ever reaching out to the program by attending practices, games, or events held by the school. Furthermore, nobody had anything to say when St. Frances was being blown out by Severn, Lutheran, and the other MIAA schools only a few years back, when St. Frances was the doormat of the MIAA. I guess it is okay for the oldest African American Catholic School in Baltimore to struggle and go through hardship, but when it begins to better itself, improve its academic and athletic situation through hard work and upholding high standards, people are offended and are in disbelief. Thus, writing rhetoric that disgraces and tarnishes the good name of St. Frances with unsubstantial nonsense. So before you question my character and integrity, come speak to me man to man and get to know who I am instead of making frivolous comments on a message board behind a screen name. You are welcomed to come to St. Frances and find out what we are about and I will personally show you around the school. I am the “backward” assistant coach who played and graduated from Georgetown University, was a mentee of one of the greatest football coaches in the state of Maryland, and teaches History, Math and Special Education at St. Frances Academy.

[harcohorns]

Coach I was starting to feel you until you threw race card... I like what Frances is attempting to do and its great for the kids.. BUT things do need to get cleaned up.. You have to admit there are instances where the players and more so the parents didn't conduct themselves to the standards of a MIAA representaive school.. Just last year Delmar had to call the police to escort them out of there... I agree its a work in progress but dont get on here and cry foul when the evidence is out there... The best thing to do is appologize and say we are working on these issue and it will get better... Then you will get support.... I as I am sure most people would love to see a inner city program like St Frances turn lives around.. but its a process... respect is earned..

Let me put this another way.. These kids and the program will not be judged on how many games they win and by how many offers they get.. Those things are great but arent enough.. They will be judged mostly by the character they exhibit on and off the field.... That is the one thing all MIAA teams have in common.. The kids all exhibit great character and that character is ingrained into them by guys before them and the school over 4 years.. I believe this is what the MIAA Allumn on here are saying and concerned about.. There is a certain way they want to be represented and at this point SFA hasn't lived up to that expectation..

[pmore108]

Coach I was starting to feel you until you threw race card... I like what Frances is attempting to do and its great for the kids.. BUT things do need to get cleaned up.. You have to admit there are instances where the players and more so the parents didn't conduct themselves to the standards of a MIAA representaive school.. Just last year Delmar had to call the police to escort them out of there... I agree its a work in progress but dont get on here and cry foul when the evidence is out there... The best thing to do is appologize and say we are working on these issue and it will get better... Then you will get support.... I as I am sure most people would love to see a inner city program like St Frances turn lives around.. but its a process... respect is earned..

Let me put this another way.. These kids and the program will not be judged on how many games they win and by how many offers they get.. Those things are great but arent enough.. They will be judged mostly by the character they exhibit on and off the field.... That is the one thing all MIAA teams have in common.. The kids all exhibit great character and that character is ingrained into them by guys before them and the school over 4 years.. I believe this is what the MIAA Allumn on here are saying and concerned about.. There is a certain way they want to be represented and at this point SFA hasn't lived up to that expectation..

I agree with you here harco. I have followed the MIAA closely for the last 15 or so years during which time St. Frances has had some awesome basketball teams. During that time I haven't found many people knocking them down due to race. Are there racists to be found in all areas of society? Of course. Is it a situation where programs are getting knocked down due to race or criticized by many for that racial reasons? No.

As far as what the MIAA expects I would point to the halftime special on the CHC students I caught during the turkey bowl (not all profiled were athletes). Kelly seems like what you want from your athletes: great student (most important, more so than offers), D1 offers (for lacrosse) and a well rounded person. Kids like this are at all the MIAA schools and that is what the MIAA expects and should continue to expect from all member schools. If you have a football team where 99% of the kids are going to 4 year college, have high gpas and are good citizens that to me is better than having 20 kids with D1 offers, some of whom can't qualify for certain schools or at all.

[love of the game]

Coach I was starting to feel you until you threw race card... I like what Frances is attempting to do and its great for the kids.. BUT things do need to get cleaned up.. You have to admit there are instances where the players and more so the parents didn't conduct themselves to the standards of a MIAA representaive school.. Just last year Delmar had to call the police to escort them out of there... I agree its a work in progress but dont get on here and cry foul when the evidence is out there... The best thing to do is appologize and say we are working on these issue and it will get better... Then you will get support.... I as I am sure most people would love to see a inner city program like St Frances turn lives around.. but its a process... respect is earned..

Let me put this another way.. These kids and the program will not be judged on how many games they win and by how many offers they get.. Those things are great but arent enough.. They will be judged mostly by the character they exhibit on and off the field.... That is the one thing all MIAA teams have in common.. The kids all exhibit great character and that character is ingrained into them by guys before them and the school over 4 years.. I believe this is what the MIAA Allumn on here are saying and concerned about.. There is a certain way they want to be represented and at this point SFA hasn't lived up to that expectation..

If you are implying that the situation with Delmar last year was initiated by St.Frances then that is not accurate. Not sure where you got your info but that is not correct. I will speak a word to the truth because I was present and I don't believe Coach Frederick was.

The dirty play in that game was initiated by one Delmar player. When I say dirty I mean dirty. We are talking elbows to the ribs ect. I saw him do it once but the kids said it was going on all game. His coach actually should have pulled him because it all started with that one player. Both teams were at fault because the St.Frances players began to react.

The situation escalated because of one Delmar parent, who I believe was that player's parent but I'm not certain of that, used the "N" word towards the St.Frances players as the bleachers for the Delmar fans was directly behind the team. And I say to you I speak as a witness who heard her. I am not speaking hearsay. That mother went as far as leaving the bleachers and going to the fence and taunting the St.Frances players. Other Delmar fans even expressed displeasure for her actions. She had to be escorted to the bleachers. At that point it was out of control because naturally the St.Frances players fans/parents took offense to the racial slur. The game was ultimately called by the St.Frances admin and not the coaches.

I venture to say that if that racial slur were to be directed at any team in baltimore city by that woman the police would be called. Its also not correct that the police were called to escort the team out. The police were called because of activity off the field where the fans were. Let me be clear I am speaking from first hand knowledge not hearsay.

I have much respect and love for Coach Messay, Coach Torres, and the rest of them guys. They are good men.

[harcohorns]

If you are implying that the situation with Delmar last year was initiated by St.Frances then that is not accurate. Not sure where you got your info but that is not correct. I will speak a word to the truth because I was present and I don't believe Coach Frederick was.

The dirty play in that game was initiated by one Delmar player. When I say dirty I mean dirty. We are talking elbows to the ribs ect. I saw him do it once but the kids said it was going on all game. His coach actually should have pulled him because it all started with that one player. Both teams were at fault because the St.Frances players began to react.

The situation escalated because of one Delmar parent, who I believe was that player's parent but I'm not certain of that, used the "N" word towards the St.Frances players as the bleachers for the Delmar fans was directly behind the team. And I say to you I speak as a witness who heard her. I am not speaking hearsay. That mother went as far as leaving the bleachers and going to the fence and taunting the St.Frances players. Other Delmar fans even expressed displeasure for her actions. She had to be escorted to the bleachers. At that point it was out of control because naturally the St.Frances players fans/parents took offense to the racial slur. The game was ultimately called by the St.Frances admin and not the coaches.

I venture to say that if that racial slur were to be directed at any team in baltimore city by that woman the police would be called. Its also not correct that the police were called to escort the team out. The police were called because of activity off the field where the fans were. Let me be clear I am speaking from first hand knowledge not hearsay.

I have much respect and love for Coach Messay, Coach Torres, and the rest of them guys. They are good men.

Thanks for this excellent response as it is always best to get both sides and I did get my info from Delmar parents who were there. I will also say the people from St Elizabeth's said they had no issues with ST Frances this year.

On the issue of racial slurs at HS games I hear them often and both ways. I did the chains at Red Lion the last two years I heard them a lot. Allegheny fans two years ago at Red Lion were by far the worst with the racial remarks from the stands. It doesn't usually escalate to the situation were talking about though. Maybe because usually the fans sit on opposite sides at HS games. Some people are ignorant and are going to say what they say but it should never lead to violence at a game. I guess people aren't as thick skinned today as they used to be... The old saying sticks and stones... doesn't mean much today but I still live by it... anyway.. Good Luck to SFA and their mission..

[agentorange]

Thank you all for a spirited debate in which we were able to voice our opinions without having to resort to SFA football team like violence...hace a nice day