Hint: That Lord, master, savior and leader (of some) that you are trying to carry the tainted water for is actively involved in the funneling of trillions of dollars to the scions of corporate finance... the Men who are building ya'r 'mericah.
This was the pivot point of the war:
But then again, they always have the Katyn Forrest to be proud of, right?
That moron Hitler kept a 250,000 troops doing nothing in Latvia and Lithuania right up to the end of the war.
Hitler's stupidity cost him the war in the east as much as anything. When the Brits had the chance to kill him with a clandestine sniper team they called it off. Why? Because with him gone, the Germans might have placed a real soldier leading their armies.
Borodino was pretty much a draw, the early Russian winter beat Napoleon as much as the Imperial Russian Army.
Last edited by Wild Eyed Southern Boy; 11-25-2012 at 03:50 PM.
Ultimately Hitler won the war for us. By being stupid. No idea how things would have turned out had he had his head screwed on straight. We likely would have been allies with Hitler against Stalin, as Hitler thought would happen. The elite here and in England were inclined towards Hitler (this is the era the Bush family made their fortune in German steel). But there's no dissuading a German once he's made up his mind.
Hitler got started late in the campaign. The Russians, exactly like they did with Napoleon, offered no resistance. They let the Germans believe they were the rotten out house that Hitler claimed they were. The Russians lured them and lulled them, then snapped the trap in Stalingrad. After seven months of the the most brutal battle in world history the Germans were encircled, cut off and hauled off to labor camps. The airforce was reduced to squat.
On a side note, Kruschev was a political officer and served at Stalingrad. My sense is this experience with total war may have been the critical inch that kept us from nuclear annihilation during the Cuban missile crisis.
Last edited by zenwalk; 11-25-2012 at 12:37 PM.
But to the extend that you are attacking Cornelius Vanderbilt and those who believed in the WORK ETHIC as "going backwards" and being greedy , I dissent.
I do not understand why is it that you are not afraid of the 50% of the population who is dependent on the taxpayers for their support.
I do not understand why is it that welfare/warfare state politicians are not greedy and dangerous to our national security.
The critical point in the war was when Hitler inexplicably decided to turn to the East. An invasion of Europe lacking the depletion of German forces in the East is a whole different ballgame.
Russia lost almost 39Million total, 12 Million soldiers in the war. To diminish their role is nonsense. I am not saying the rest of the Allies didn't play a critical part . But comparing LL to even the civilian hardships the Russians suffered is ludicrous. Yes we couldn't get sugar or nylons. At Leningrad people were reduced to cannibalism.
Last edited by ms maggie; 11-25-2012 at 03:29 PM.
I'm watching one of the most brutal sports right now on TV. Hell, even this sport has rules designed not to allow one to hurt the many,... and guess what, it's still all about winning. There's still a game!
How about the bomber and fighter losses in the Battle of Britain? What if they had been available?
That western front.
The one where, not until 13 February 1942, after the invasion of Russia, were forces earmarked for Operation Sealion, the invasion of Britain,were released to other duties.
142 infantry divisions, 17 panzer divisions and 4,000 tanks, almost 2.9 million Germans, invaded the Soviets.
A 33% increase in available forces wouldn't have helped?
Last edited by Wild Eyed Southern Boy; 11-25-2012 at 03:57 PM.
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