The Men Who Built America

[kandace]

Really?

The guys at Aachen, Hurtgen Forrest, the Ardennes and Normandy would probably argue that.

It takes nothing away from the sacrifices of the US military in those battles to state the fact that if the overwhelming bulk of German personnel and supplies had not been tied up fighting the USSR, those battles would have been much worse. American material support to the USSR was arguably much more critical than direct military fighting, as American supplies were crucial to the Soviet War effort. For example, about two thirds of all trucks used by the Red Army were made in the USA. The Red Army was basically stocked by supplies from the USA.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

It takes nothing away from the sacrifices of the US military in those battles to state the fact that if the overwhelming bulk of German personnel and supplies had not been tied up fighting the USSR, those battles would have been much worse. American material support to the USSR was arguably much more critical than direct military fighting, as American supplies were crucial to the Soviet War effort. For example, about two thirds of all trucks used by the Red Army were made in the USA. The Red Army was basically stocked by supplies from the USA.

You know it's really odd. As technically advanced as the Germans were, they relied on horses for the majority of their transport. They are what the Germans ate the last weeks at Stalingrad.

[ms maggie]

Really?

The guys at Aachen, Hurtgen Forrest, the Ardennes and Normandy would probably argue that.

And there it is. The grade schooler's logic. Because we acknowledge the contribution of the Russians we are not giving our forces their due.

How comforting life must be for those not encumbered by the ability to recognize any sort of complexity. If I say the Russians deserve a boatload of credit, your retort is I don't give credit elsewhere.

Sigh.

[Contumacious]

Then include in the law provisions to prevent the rich from passing it on to the middle class and the poor.!

Yep. That is precisely what we need, A federal bureaucracy which will monitor every financial transaction .

Study the "Subprime Mortgage Derivatives crisis " then repost.

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[zenwalk]

The three Russian tank armies that counterattacked in November 1942 and encircled Stalingrad had been watching the traditional enemy, Japan, from Manchuria's border. They were well trained in winter warfare and left for the east when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. After Japan tied up with the U.S., Commonwealth, China and the Dutch, the Russians didn't the worry about them very much.

The Russians had a high level spy in Tokyo so they had the advantage of knowing what the inner sanctum there was up to. They learned the Japanese had other fish to fry and had no intention of invading them which freed the Soviets up.

[cprenegade]

Big corporations avoiding taxes and getting "free stuff" from the government is also driving us into fiscal insolvency.

There's enough blame to go around.

GM and Chrysler are two big corporations that got a government bailout on the backs of taxpayers. They should have been allowed to claim bankruptcy and restructure or fail, without taxpayers giving them corporate welfare. That blame goes to both Bush who started the bailouts, and Obama who continued them. Big corporations getting hard earned taxpayer mony given out by the government. That's enough blame for me.

[ericpd]

Yep. That is precisely what we need, A federal bureaucracy which will monitor every financial transaction .

Study the "Subprime Mortgage Derivatives crisis " then repost.

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Agreed,... precisely what we need. But I doubt another bloated federal bureaucracy would be needed, hell we got too many of those already. We need another one of those like we need a whole in our collective heads. And most definitely every financial transaction wouldn't need to be monitored. Are you serious, or are you just being a knot-head in pursuit of proving a point. I'm thinking a lean-n-clean series of red flags designed to sniff out those who would attempt to pass their tax obligations on to others. Something simple, doable and objective would do! If something is successfully sniffed out, hand it over to the IRS and start the forfeiture procedure. Use the proceeds to pay off their tax burden they tried to pass on to others. Done!

Study Glass-Steagall, then repost!

[flyboy56]

Put down the hallucinogens and concentrate on the question:

"How much money are the six largest investment banks getting per quarter under QE ad infinitum and ZIRP?"

How many banks went under during the housing/financial crash starting in 2007? Do you think this was an intentional take over by the larger banks to consolidate the money into fewer banks which are now benefiting from the QE's? And do you think the Federal Reserve was involved?

[Contumacious]

Study Glass-Steagall, then repost!

‘Repeal’ of Glass-Steagall Irrelevant to Financial Crisis

by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Because Glass-Steagall was passed during the Depression, it is assumed that it was addressing a pressing need of the time. In fact, the lack of government-enforced division between commercial and investment banking had precisely zero to do with bank problems during the Great Depression. The 9,000 bank failures during the early 1930s had far more to do with the damage done by government regulation – namely, the unit-banking laws that made it difficult for banks to diversify their portfolios (by limiting them to a single office and making branching illegal) – than with a lack of regulation. .

Study the former USSR's KGB then repost.

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[bmore_ken]

Coulda woulda shoulda. Look at what actually happened and the inescapable conclusion is the Russians broke the Nazis back.

The inescapable conclusion is Hitler had to fight two wars on opposite sides of the continent which left him short on soldiers fighting the Russians. No one is taking anything away from what the Russians did, but to say they alone defeated Hitler is ludicrous

[bullmikey]

You know, I watch this mini-marathon today on History HD and was amazed. I mean I remember reading about these characters in school, but the shows retold the story with a little more truth, and I'm sure, a little more truth. They represented a time and mentality I fear we would have been headed back to at full military speed had Romney won the November election. That mentality is sooo 2 centuries ago! I wonder if many of us (you) realize just how close we were to going backwards,... back to the days of greed set upon us by the likes of Rockerfeller, Vanderbilt, Rockerfeller, Carnegie & Morgan? And the way those clowns bought the nomination and eventual election of McKinley is so reminiscent of this past presidential election it's almost scarey,... as does Rockerfeller, Carnegie & Morgan, so does Adelson, Simmons, Perry, Rowling & Koch. Both generations of corporatists trying to purchase a POTUS that would roll back regulation, and give them free to wreak greed based havoc on us once all over again. Unbelievable that some people are so blind and naive to buy into mentality.

For those of you who missed it,... it's well worth the watch. Especially all you right wingers out there. WAKE UP! Seems as though all the jargon they sold us then they still trying now. it's almost embarrassing that Michael Steele is from my home state. LOL! Man,... I thought God stop making stupid! Apparently not!

Nothing has changed but the names and the available technology.

Link

[ms maggie]

The inescapable conclusion is Hitler had to fight two wars on opposite sides of the continent which left him short on soldiers fighting the Russians. No one is taking anything away from what the Russians did, but to say they alone defeated Hitler is ludicrous

Of course. The statement was made that US won WWII. That is not true, it was a multi-national effort and if any nation is first among equals, it is unquestionably Russia. They were throwing Hitler back from Moscow before Pearl Harbor.


You want to talk about where the US was the driver, look to the Pacific.

[CajunRaven]

Sorry. General Zhukov won the European theater war (the same Zhukov who drove the Japanese out of Siberia in the 30s). We helped, for sure, but the German Army from 1943 onwards was in full retreat from the Russian hordes anyway. The Germans were tough as walnuts and even though the Western Front was manned by old men and lungers they put up a fierce fight. If that's not enough proof then consider the Panzers were out of gas; that says it all. The urgency to land in France was because we wanted to get to Berlin before Stalin did. We won the Pacific. Russia won Europe fairly and squarely by paying for it with 12-25 million lives.

And if Hitler was only fighting the Russian front? If he could have deployed all his resources against Russia?

Would the outcome have been the same?

[CajunRaven]

There wasn't a Western Front till June 44. By then the Germans had been in retreat from the Russians for over a year.

The bombing of Germany started well before 44.

[CajunRaven]

Coulda woulda shoulda. Look at what actually happened and the inescapable conclusion is the Russians broke the Nazis back.

Kinda ironic, what defeated Hitler was his ignorance of history. Should have studied Napolean, who shared Hitler's contempt for Russia.

And btw this started when I challenged the chauvinistic contention that we won the war. I simply pointed out that in fact the lion's share of credit for defeating the Germans should go to the Russians. All the "arguments" put forth have been why they were able to do so. Precious little countering the premise.

No one should discount the accomplishments of the Russians in WWII. The "we" who won the war is the allies. All of them. With the help of Hitler's arrogance and incompetence.

[ms maggie]

The bombing of Germany started well before 44.

I think we're talking front in the sense of military encounters. Allies invaded Italy in 43 but think that (Silicy) was considered the Mediterranean front, not the western front, but could be wrong. Western front was basically Overlord.

[ms maggie]

No one should discount the accomplishments of the Russians in WWII. The "we" who won the war is the allies. All of them. With the help of Hitler's arrogance and incompetence.

No argument from me. See post 6

Greedy industrialists built this nation into the most powerful in the world, that greedy nation was the ONLY nation in the world that could and did stop Hitler and the Russians from world domination.

This is what started this whole thing.

[Seadog]

Of course. The statement was made that US won WWII. That is not true, it was a multi-national effort and if any nation is first among equals, it is unquestionably Russia. They were throwing Hitler back from Moscow before Pearl Harbor.


You want to talk about where the US was the driver, look to the Pacific.

Crime rates? Rampant? Look at the facts. Compare crime rate now to past decades. Oh and btw, Russia defeated Hitler.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

[ms maggie]

And if Hitler was only fighting the Russian front? If he could have deployed all his resources against Russia?

Would the outcome have been the same?

And if Japan had not bombed Pearl Harbor, would the US have entered the war at all?

Impossible really to say.

[ivanbalt]

Of course. The statement was made that US won WWII. That is not true, it was a multi-national effort and if any nation is first among equals, it is unquestionably Russia. They were throwing Hitler back from Moscow before Pearl Harbor.

They were also dividing up Poland with Hitler before Pearl Harbor. What a difference a few years makes.