A secular case against gay marriage

[TheResearcher]

http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2...-sex-marriage/

"For a more academic case against SSM, see this peer-reviewed paper on traditional marriage and same-sex marriage, authored by two guys from Princeton University and one guy from the University of Notredame. One of those guys is the famous Robert P. George. For some simple, practical tips on defending traditional marriage, check out this tip sheet from the National Organization for Marriage. Here’s another good peer-reviewed paper in the Harvard University Journal of Law and Public Policy. And of course there are the two recent large-scale studies on gay parenting outcomes, and responses to the criticisms of those studies.

You can also watch the videos from a formal academic debate on same-sex marriage held at the University of Central Florida, featuring Dr. Michael Brown. Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse also debated same-sex marriage at Columbia University in a formal academic debate. You can see her give a lecture on same-sex marriage at Houston Baptist University here, as well."

[octoburn]

Or one could ponder exactly how same~sex marriage affects them in their own life and marriage. I did, and it doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever.

Those who are concerned about the impact marriage has on society and dysfunctional and disappearing family structure in our society should look at marriage and child~raising in the heterosexual community first, since that seems to be the source of problems today. I fail to see how same~sex marriages would add to that problem. Rather ~ they might even strengthen the family unit through committed relationships.

I also admit that I opposed same~sex marriages for most of my adult life and changed my mind after some serious soul~searching and by judging gay people that I know by their character and not their sexual preference.

[SalisburySage]

Or one could ponder exactly how same~sex marriage affects them in their own life and marriage. I did, and it doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever.

Those who are concerned about the impact marriage has on society and dysfunctional and disappearing family structure in our society should look at marriage and child~raising in the heterosexual community first, since that seems to be the source of problems today. I fail to see how same~sex marriages would add to that problem. Rather ~ they might even strengthen the family unit through committed relationships.

I also admit that I opposed same~sex marriages for most of my adult life and changed my mind after some serious soul~searching and by judging gay people that I know by their character and not their sexual preference.

Researcher continues to deal with his unwanted homosexual feelings and until he resolves them he will continue to search out spurious and homophobic nonsense like this.

[SalisburySage]

Detailed point by point refutation to follow. But every point is illogical and makes no sense.

[Far from home]

Detailed point by point refutation to follow. But every point is illogical and makes no sense.

You're the one that voted and supported the homophobes.

[Byng]

Or one could ponder exactly how same~sex marriage affects them in their own life and marriage. I did, and it doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever.

Those who are concerned about the impact marriage has on society and dysfunctional and disappearing family structure in our society should look at marriage and child~raising in the heterosexual community first, since that seems to be the source of problems today. I fail to see how same~sex marriages would add to that problem. Rather ~ they might even strengthen the family unit through committed relationships.

I also admit that I opposed same~sex marriages for most of my adult life and changed my mind after some serious soul~searching and by judging gay people that I know by their character and not their sexual preference.

My step-daughter is an investigator for the State for the protection of children from abuse, and she will tell you some horror stories about so-called traditional marriage that would make your blood boil. She is looking for safe stable homes to place her children in and could not give a rats-behind whether it is a mom and dad, two dad's or two mom's as long as it is a loving home with responsible adults, apart of course from the restrictions from the State that tie her hands behind her back.

[Byng]

You're the one that voted and supported the homophobes.

Byngo!

[dsummoner]

Government has no business being in the business of sanctioning marriage.

[Baltimatt]

In the next month or two, three more states will start marrying same-sex couples. If the Supreme Court refuses to hear the Proposition 8 appeal, make that four.

[Byng]

In the next month or two, three more states will start marrying same-sex couples. If the Supreme Court refuses to hear the Proposition 8 appeal, make that four.

Good for them.

[ms maggie]

oh give it up. you don't like ssm, then don't marry someone of yr same gender. It's over.

[Gopher]

Maybe the government should just get out of the marriage business.

[Byng]

oh give it up. you don't like ssm, then don't marry someone of yr same gender. It's over.

Careful, in Researchers eye it is all a slippery slope to marrying your pet goat!

[SalisburySage]

You're the one that voted and supported the homophobes.

I don't believe that Romney is or was a homophobe in any case it has nothing to do with this thread.

[SalisburySage]

Osofsky, J. The Impact of Violence on Children. The Future of Children: Domestic Violence and Children (1999) 9(3):33-49.

The precise incidence of domestic violence in America is difficult to determine for several reasons: it often goes unreported, even on surveys; there is no nationwide organization that gathers information from local police departments about the number of substantiated reports and calls; and there is disagreement about what should be included in the definition of domestic violence. "One study estimated that more than 3% (approximately 1.8 million) of women were severely assaulted by male partners or cohabitants over the course of a year, while other studies indicate the percentage of women experiencing dating violence, including sexual assault, physical violence, or verbal and emotional abuse, ranges as high as 65%."

[ms maggie]

Careful, in Researchers eye it is all a slippery slope to marrying your pet goat!

I dunno. Goats are pretty smart...

[SalisburySage]

For both men and women, divorced or separated persons were subjected to the highest rates of intimate partner victimization, followed by never- married persons.

Rennison, M. and W. Welchans. Intimate Partner Violence. U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics. May 2000, NCJ 178247, Revised 7/14/00

In other words the WINTERY KNIGHT, Christian article is total nonsense and BS.

Not only are the conclusions invalid and used 1984 data but the entire premise is logically flawed.

The author tried to use questionable data to prove their Christian view and made impossible comparisons. As someone said, Wintery Knight needs to look at heterosexual divorce rates, abuse of heterosexual spouses, and abuse of children by their heterosexual parents. The comparisons to homosexual couples is ludicrous and without merit.

[Baltimatt]

Space permits me to only discuss the first two, using this paper from the Family Research Council, ...

OK, that's all I need to know.

[SalisburySage]

OK, that's all I need to know.

LOL> I thought the same thing.