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    If they can justify the taxing of cigarettes bought out of state, what stops them from making similar laws about food, groceries, clothing, electronics, gasoline bought in Virginia or Delaware?

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    Uhh, Bloomin Onion. Items bought out of state are subject to Maryland sales tax.

    http://individuals.marylandtaxes.com/usetax/usetax.asp

    Every time you purchase taxable tangible goods, whether in person, over the phone, or on the Internet, the purchase is subject to Maryland's 6 percent sales and use tax if you use the merchandise in Maryland. State sales taxes apply to purchases made in Maryland while the use tax refers to the tax on goods purchased out of state. If you make a tax-free purchase out of state and need to pay Maryland's 6 percent use tax, file the Consumer Use Tax Return for Out-of-State Purchases, with your payment, by the appropriate due date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt View Post
    Uhh, Bloomin Onion. Items bought out of state are subject to Maryland sales tax.

    http://individuals.marylandtaxes.com/usetax/usetax.asp
    In that case I'm surprised Peter Franchot's goons are not staking out all the outlet malls in tax-free Delaware observing Maryland residents loading clothing and appliances into their cars. And if I fill up my gas tank in Virginia and come back with a full tank I guess the Democrats expect me to submit this form and pay a tax on it?????? Nobody I know EVER does this. So many people around me do a significant amount of shopping out of state to avoid Maryland's high taxes.

    And it make no sense since if its bought out of state you already pay that state's tax on it. So now the state of Maryland wants to double tax us????? Are we one of the few states to have a law like this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomin Onion View Post
    . . . .Nobody I know EVER does this. So many people around me do a significant amount of shopping out of state to avoid Maryland's high taxes.

    . . .

    Imagine that, everyone you know is illegal.

    And I thought it was just every Hispanic you saw.

    Tax fraud (evasion) is illegal, and it costs BILLIONS of $. Maybe we could use some of those billions to design, build and implement an effective enforcement process against employers and others who hire illegal immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepfan View Post
    Imagine that, everyone you know is illegal.

    And I thought it was just every Hispanic you saw.

    Tax fraud (evasion) is illegal, and it costs BILLIONS of $. Maybe we could use some of those billions to design, build and implement an effective enforcement process against employers and others who hire illegal immigrants.
    Liberal Maryland must be one of the few states with laws like this. I'm sure most states allow interstate commerce and allow people to bring purchased goods across state lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomin Onion View Post
    Liberal Maryland must be one of the few states with laws like this. I'm sure most states allow interstate commerce and allow people to bring purchased goods across state lines.
    Apparently its quite common but seldom enforced.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...-state-tax.htm

    The part I not sure of is can you claim a refund of another state's sales tax if you have to pay a use tax to your own state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomin Onion View Post
    Liberal Maryland must be one of the few states with laws like this. I'm sure most states allow interstate commerce and allow people to bring purchased goods across state lines.
    Once again, [you are] wrong. Your toilet bowl of a home state puts this law right up there on their web page for all to see.

    http://www.revenue.louisiana.gov/sec...al/conuse.aspx

    Know the Facts about Consumer Use Tax

    If you purchased goods from out-of-state companies for use in Louisiana and were not properly charged Louisiana state sales tax, Louisiana Revised Statute 47:302(K) requires you to pay a Consumer Use Tax directly to the Louisiana Department of Revenue.

    Louisiana, like other states that impose a sales tax, also taxes the use of property that is brought into the state untaxed when purchased. This tax, referred to as the "use" tax, was enacted in 1934 and complements the sales tax by subjecting to tax merchandise purchased from an out-of-state source that does not collect the state's sales tax. The purpose of the use tax is not only to raise revenue, but also to prevent retailers located out-of-state from having an unfair competitive advantage against in-state retailers who have to charge the sales tax.

    Individuals in Louisiana are responsible for paying use tax on an out-of-state purchase when the item purchased is subject to the Louisiana sales tax and the retailer making the sale does not collect sales tax on the sale. Items that are subject to sales tax include computers and other electronic equipment, canned software, books, audio and video tapes, compact discs, records, clothing, appliances, furniture and other home furnishings, sporting goods, jewelry, and etc. Out-of-state retailers include mail-order catalogs, television shopping networks, firms selling over the internet, and retailers located outside Louisiana.
    Do you ever get tired of being wrong? I mean, you are always, utterly and completely wrong about everything. Do you ever feel like your life is wasted? Maybe it's time for a change. I mean Jesus frickin' Christ man... Google is out there. Use it for once and stop making yourself seem like a complete idiot.
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    Staking out the state borders for cigarette and booze smuggling and furniture sales was a big deal for former~Comptroller Schaefer to do as well. Why are people suddenly surprised now? It has been that way for a very long time.

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    HOw can they legally stake out the borders?????? I thought Maryland police do not have the jurisdiction to let's say go undercover at a liquor store or gas station (which sell beer in most of America btw) in Virginia or at an outlet mall in Delaware. I've read that when Tennessee sent their cops over state lines, Arkansas police arrested them for violating jurisdiction and took action against Tennessee. I'm sure other states welcome the business that Maryland tax hikes are giving them.

    Now I wonder if Baltimore CIty police will send undercover guys into the county if the city passes that bottle tax. Maybe Rawlings Blake will make it illegal to bring bottled sodas into the city and make it illegal for city residents to buy soda from elsewhere even though there are many places like the Golden Ring Walmart and the Washington Boulevard Walmart where a lot of city residents go to because its most convenient for them. Maybe it will be illegal for suburban residents to bring their own sodas to work from home????? And why can't all these resources spent on catching bootleggers and cigarette smugglers be spent on catching illegal aliens instead????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt View Post
    Uhh, Bloomin Onion. Items bought out of state are subject to Maryland sales tax.

    http://individuals.marylandtaxes.com/usetax/usetax.asp
    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt
    Every time you purchase taxable tangible goods, whether in person, over the phone, or on the Internet, the purchase is subject to Maryland's 6 percent sales and use tax if you use the merchandise in Maryland. State sales taxes apply to purchases made in Maryland while the use tax refers to the tax on goods purchased out of state. If you make a tax-free purchase out of state and need to pay Maryland's 6 percent use tax, file the Consumer Use Tax Return for Out-of-State Purchases, with your payment, by the appropriate due date.
    So, if buy something in California in person, have you been sufficiently punished by California in this case with their high tax rate and the matter is dropped at that point or do you now report an additonal 6% when you start to use the product in MD?

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    SoSad--

    Use this form. http://forms.marylandtaxes.com/curre...ms/ST-118A.pdf

    Apparently, you only have to pay the difference between the tax you were charged and the Maryland tax, but I don't know if you can get a credit from the other state if you paid more than the Maryland tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomin Onion View Post
    HOw can they legally stake out the borders?????? I thought Maryland police do not have the jurisdiction to let's say go undercover at a liquor store or gas station (which sell beer in most of America btw) in Virginia or at an outlet mall in Delaware. I've read that when Tennessee sent their cops over state lines, Arkansas police arrested them for violating jurisdiction and took action against Tennessee. I'm sure other states welcome the business that Maryland tax hikes are giving them.
    They may be able to observe and then exercise their police powers once the purchaser has crossed the state line.

    Now I wonder if Baltimore CIty police will send undercover guys into the county if the city passes that bottle tax. Maybe Rawlings Blake will make it illegal to bring bottled sodas into the city and make it illegal for city residents to buy soda from elsewhere even though there are many places like the Golden Ring Walmart and the Washington Boulevard Walmart where a lot of city residents go to because its most convenient for them. Maybe it will be illegal for suburban residents to bring their own sodas to work from home????? And why can't all these resources spent on catching bootleggers and cigarette smugglers be spent on catching illegal aliens instead????
    "If the city passes the bottle tax..." If? It passed.

    Now, I don't know what kind of enforcment power there is or if there are restrictions on bringing in bottle purchased outside the city.
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    If Maryland police are "observing" lets say in liquor parking lots out of state, I hope Virginia police arrest them for loitering which is still justifiable. I hope the other states doing good business due to our ridiculouly high taxes also exercise their rights in interstate commerce. Also we need to ask ourselves why Maryland' taxes in everything is so much higher than our neighbors.

    I guess for some liberals, promoting abortion and illegal immigration and birth control is more important than keeping taxes low or resisting transit-oriented development.

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    Generally, It's only loitering if the owner of the property doesn't want you there. I don't know of any retail businesses that would call the police to ask them to escort other police officers off their property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Eternal White Belt View Post
    Generally, It's only loitering if the owner of the property doesn't want you there. I don't know of any retail businesses that would call the police to ask them to escort other police officers off their property.
    If I owned a liquor store in Virginia and knew that there were Maryland cops sitting in my parking lot trying to go after my Maryland customers after they cross the state line, I would definitely not want those cops sitting there and hurting my profit.

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    Maybe you can stake out the stores and report them to the VA police if you care so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloomin Onion View Post
    HOw do the police operate? I know Tennessee has similar laws and sends their police across state lines on stakeouts but that has caused problems with other states and they have limited the practice. I don't see how a Maryland state trooper is allowed to go into Virginia and observe a gas station or liquor store where beer is sold since they are outside their jurisdiction.

    Also if I was the Virginia state government I would definitely not cooperate with Maryland cops as the more Marylanders crossing the border and spending money buying alcohol the better!

    See a common theme? We all go out of state for alcohol, cigarettes, and fireworks. Some people live out of state and commute because of lower income taxes and lower property taxes. We buy things in Delaware because of lower sales taxes. Is Maryland and the Annapolis liberals purposely trying to be business unfriendly? Why not make it so that residents of Virginia, West Virginia, Delaware and Pennsylvania and DC come here and spend money??????????? Gambling is the only thing people from out of state might come here for, and only DC and VA residents as Delaware, PA, and WV all have their own much better casinos.
    The Alcohol Beverage law goes back to the end of prohibition. Sales Tax law was passed in 1947. The Cigarette laws have similarly been on the books for generations now. None of this is new. And the Maryland State Police don't go to other states and stake out businesses. This type of activity is conducted by the State Comptrollers Enforcement Unit and they work with undercover personnel from other states. The Maryland State Police pick up smugglers based on tips from the undercover officers.

    So don't look for any changes soon in theses laws. If you feel you must live here and go out of state to purchase items protected by your state laws then don't whine if you get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gopher View Post
    Sounds like a great opportunity for organized crime.
    Byngo! Wait until the cigarette black market start producing a body count. Innocent bystanders start getting shot. They'll be longing for the good old days when all they had to worry about was second hand smoke in a bar. Leave it to our politicians to trade the possibility of death in 20, 40, 60 or 80 years for certain death RIGHT FREAKIN' NOW. Morons!

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