I knew Johnny would fold

[flyboy56]

Suzie Rice should be made Ambassadress to Libya. That might make Johnny happy.

Except it was the Libyan government that called out the lies being spewed by Susan Rice. They wouldn't trust her.

[flyboy56]

I'm no fan of Lieberman but he clearly doesn't have a political motive for his statement yesterday. He is retiring at the end of the year so he is the least likely to be playing politics out of all the Senators who met with Rice yesterday.

He owes his comeback to the Democrats. And who knows if he has grandchildren who are considering a run for office in the future. He burned his bridge with the Republicans, it would be stupid of him to burn his bridge with the Democrats.

[soulflower]

With Susan Rice being on the short list for the Secretary of State job, then why was she not told about the changes made to the CIA's report? There are just too many things surrounding this scandal that does not make reasonable sense!

If she lied then why is the CIA director backing her up? Where's the scandal?

[Byng]

Two guys armed only with a pistol. So "they" can send in two guys, but not the entire US Cavalry because they did not know what was actually happening on the ground? Does that thought process really make any sense?

It makes absolute sense when the US Cavalry was not close enough to be deployed to make any difference during the initial attack. The CIA team defence of their Annex, not only resulted in a successful defence of the bricks and mortar but the successful evacuation of a couple of dozen or more Americans to the Benghazi airport where they were successfully airlifted out of Benghazi.

[soulflower]

He owes his comeback to the Democrats. And who knows if he has grandchildren who are considering a run for office in the future. He burned his bridge with the Republicans, it would be stupid of him to burn his bridge with the Democrats.

That's a stretch. Dems still haven't forgiven Lieberman for his antics during the 2008 Presidential campaign.

Lieberman and McCain are BFFs. I see no reason why he would side with Rice over his BFF other than the fact that he is just sick of playing politics...

[flyboy56]

It makes absolute sense when the US Cavalry was not close enough to be deployed to make any difference during the initial attack. The CIA team defence of their Annex, not only resulted in a successful defence of the bricks and mortar but the successful evacuation of a couple of dozen or more Americans to the Benghazi airport where they were successfully airlifted out of Benghazi.

Good point Byng, which is why we need to find out why a quick reacting unit was not deployed within range of Benghazi when months before 2 security supervisors requested two times to extend the security that was there. The Ambassador also vented his concerns of a build up of extremist groups in the area. It was about the same time the British Embassy smartly pulled out.

[Byng]

Suzie Rice should be made Ambassadress to Libya. That might make Johnny happy.

The only thing that will make "Johnny" and the Republicans happy is if they can torpedo Rice as Secretary of State and have Obama put John Kerry in the job because he has a Senate seat to give up and Rice doesn't.

They have Scott Brown in the wings to contest it and every penny that the GOP has will be poured into a Brown candidacy.

The Republicans are still playing politics with these 4 dead Americans.

[flyboy56]

Lazy journalism I guess.

The Libyan group, Ansar Al Sharia is suspected of being behind the attacks. The CIA didn't want the name of the group mentioned in the talking points they gave to Rice...

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence later accepted responsibility for the administration’s initial account, acknowledging that the attackers were Islamist militants, including some suspected of having ties to al Qaida’s North African affiliate.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/11/0...#storylink=cpy

[soulflower]

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence later accepted responsibility for the administration’s initial account, acknowledging that the attackers were Islamist militants, including some suspected of having ties to al Qaida’s North African affiliate.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/11/0...#storylink=cpy

Google Ansar Al Sharia

[flyboy56]

If she lied then why is the CIA director backing her up? Where's the scandal?

You mean why are they backing her up on the declassified talking points Susan Rice was given? My question is why they felt it necessary to not provide her with the classified report from the CIA when she is on the short list to the Sec. of State job? She has the clearance and the need to know. Now I am giving Susan Rice the benefit of the doubt, so if I were in her shoes right now I would be pissed off at anyone who knew the truth but did not let me in on the deal. She now looks like a tool/fool in the world's eye.

[soulflower]

The only thing that will make "Johnny" and the Republicans happy is if they can torpedo Rice as Secretary of State and have Obama put John Kerry in the job because he has a Senate seat to give up and Rice doesn't.

They have Scott Brown in the wings to contest it and every penny that the GOP has will be poured into a Brown candidacy.

The Republicans are still playing politics with these 4 dead Americans.

The problem with their strategy is that they are putting Obama in a position where he has no choice but to nominate Rice. At this point, if he doesn't nominate her it will look like he caved in to Republican bullying...

[bmore_ken]

With Susan Rice being on the short list for the Secretary of State job, then why was she not told about the changes made to the CIA's report? There are just too many things surrounding this scandal that does not make reasonable sense!

I keep telling you guys, because the CIA was so involved in this we may never know what actually happened. CIA intel is simply not public knowledge

[soulflower]

You mean why are they backing her up on the declassified talking points Susan Rice was given? My question is why they felt it necessary to not provide her with the classified report from the CIA when she is on the short list to the Sec. of State job?

The only difference between the classified and unclassified talking points were the details on which groups were suspected of being involved.

At the time when she gave the interviews she correctly stated that they didn't know for certain who was behind the attacks.

[Byng]

Good point Byng, which is why we need to find out why a quick reacting unit was not deployed within range of Benghazi when months before 2 security supervisors requested two times to extend the security that was there. The Ambassador also vented his concerns of a build up of extremist groups in the area. It was about the same time the British Embassy smartly pulled out.

The point you are missing, is that with the Benghazi Consulate having been evacuated by the State Department weeks earlier, because of the rising tensions, there was nothing but bricks and mortar in Benghazi to secure or defend. The CIA conducting covert operations are responsible for their own defense and security and if Ambassador Stevens was working with the CIA he would have had that same responsibility.

I have been part of a team deploying agents and special forces numerous times for clandestine operations and each and every one of them knows that they are responsible for their own security and if something goes wrong nobody is coming in to rescue them and nobody including their families will be told what happened with the exception that they will not be coming home.

The ONLY reason you know about this attack and the 4 who were killed is because a United States Ambassador was listed among the dead.

[Byng]

The problem with their strategy is that they are putting Obama in a position where he has no choice but to nominate Rice. At this point, if he doesn't nominate her it will look like he caved in to Republican bullying...

Byngo!

[ms maggie]

I keep telling you guys, because the CIA was so involved in this we may never know what actually happened. CIA intel is simply not public knowledge

I'm afraid that's probably true. We still don't have the full story on the Bay of Pigs and most of those actors are long dead!

[flyboy56]

The only difference between the classified and unclassified talking points were the details on which groups were suspected of being involved.

At the time when she gave the interviews she correctly stated that they didn't know for certain who was behind the attacks.

I guess we will just have to see what the investigation comes up with. But I do appreciate your counter argument in a constructive manner. I'm still not sure why the administration felt it necessary to make such a big circus of it by immediately sending someone out on talk shows with incomplete information? Wouldn't Carney have been more effective at keeping the news agencies updated as the information came in? Do you not see how it looked like a campaign promotion?

[soulflower]

I'm afraid that's probably true. We still don't have the full story on the Bay of Pigs and most of those actors are long dead!

And the CIA is still fighting in court to keep their records on Lee Harvey Oswald sealed. Hmm...

[flyboy56]

The point you are missing, is that with the Benghazi Consulate having been evacuated by the State Department weeks earlier, because of the rising tensions, there was nothing but bricks and mortar in Benghazi to secure or defend. The CIA conducting covert operations are responsible for their own defense and security and if Ambassador Stevens was working with the CIA he would have had that same responsibility.

I have been part of a team deploying agents and special forces numerous times for clandestine operations and each and every one of them knows that they are responsible for their own security and if something goes wrong nobody is coming in to rescue them and nobody including their families will be told what happened with the exception that they will not be coming home.

The ONLY reason you know about this attack and the 4 who were killed is because a United States Ambassador was listed among the dead.

Alright, saying you are right, and the Ambassador was responsible for his own security, then why was the extension of security turned down when it was requested several months prior? Doesn't sound like he had much say in his security.

[soulflower]

I guess we will just have to see what the investigation comes up with. But I do appreciate your counter argument in a constructive manner. I'm still not sure why the administration felt it necessary to make such a big circus of it by immediately sending someone out on talk shows with incomplete information? Wouldn't Carney have been more effective at keeping the news agencies updated as the information came in? Do you not see how it looked like a campaign promotion?

If you read the transcripts of Rice's statements, she didn't give many absolute answers. Most of her answers were open ended and followed by things like "we'll have to wait til the investigation is complete." For whatever reason, Hillary Clinton was unavailable that day. Rice was the next highest diplomatic person in the administration and she was on those shows to talk about Iran and Israel.

If anything was being covered up, I think it was the CIA's operation in Benghazi. Which only came to light after it was outed during the House committee hearings...