As Baltimore's homicide rate climbs, DC's plummets.

[Marshan Man]

Different parts of the society

If a kid in suburb is involved in a homicide, it will be a front page news and signficant community reaction

If a kid in the city is involved in a homicide, just another day.

That hasn't been my observation. I've observed that usually the circumstances surrounding the homicide are the primary determinant.

[bmore_ken]

You'd be surprised by how rampant drug use is in the suburbs. The drug trade in suburban areas gets less attention because there is far less violent crime associated with it...

I know there's plenty of drug use in the counties, but there are no turf battles and generally a county dealer isn't depending on it for his livelyhood

[soulflower]

I know there's plenty of drug use in the counties, but there are no turf battles and generally a county dealer isn't depending on it for his livelyhood

I agree.

I'm not sure why it is that the suburbs in general tend to have significantly less violent crime. However, I don't think it's because of the drug trade since it exists pretty much everywhere.

[BlandFood]

I know there's plenty of drug use in the counties, but there are no turf battles and generally a county dealer isn't depending on it for his livelyhood

I dunno, maybe the neighbors would snitch and all parties involved know it? I'm sure there are several factors.

[bmore_ken]

I agree.

I'm not sure why it is that the suburbs in general tend to have significantly less violent crime. However, I don't think it's because of the drug trade since it exists pretty much everywhere.

It's poverty. Drug dealing in the counties is a casual affair that most do because they're bored, drug dealing in poor inner city neighborhoods can mean you get to eat tonight or not.

[soulflower]

It's poverty. Drug dealing in the counties is a casual affair that most do because they're bored, drug dealing in poor inner city neighborhoods can mean you get to eat tonight or not.

Lots of poor kids end up in the drug game in parts of the county like Dundalk and Essex.

But from my experiences in the upper income parts of Baltimore county, I agree that drug dealing in places like Cockeysville and Perry Hall is a more casual affair.

[bmore_ken]

Lots of poor kids end up in the drug game in parts of the county like Dundalk and Essex.

But from my experiences in the upper income parts of Baltimore county, I agree that drug dealing in places like Cockeysville and Perry Hall is a more casual affair.

In most case those kids came from the city, but it again goes back to poverty as I said

[jessup270]

I get so tired hearing excuse after excuse for acts of criminal violence.

For me, the only thing that somewhat explains violence is the acceptance of a culture that does little to discourage violence and a culture that allows the criminal excuses, for his actions.

I was born and raised in the City of Baltimore and left at age 23 (1970).

To see my birthplace as the location for 200 plus homicides a year, 40,000 vacant houses, plus a citizenry that pays little for the services that they consume, its pitiful.

Yet somehow the spin doctors are able to explain away the ills of the city as the fault of almost everyone but city residents who create these deplorable conditions.

[soulflower]

In most case those kids came from the city, but it again goes back to poverty as I said

Not true in my experiences. I went to high school in Dundalk. Most of the kids who were into drugs were wannabies who wouldn't last a day in the city.

[soulflower]

I get so tired hearing excuse after excuse for acts of criminal violence.

For me, the only thing that somewhat explains violence is the acceptance of a culture that does little to discourage violence and a culture that allows the criminal excuses, for his actions.

I think Social Acceptance plays a bigger role than Culture. I mean the things that are common today(out of wedlock births, destroying your own communities) were not acceptable in the generation of my parents and to an even lesser degree, my grand parents' generation. At some point over the past 40 years, lots of bad behavior became 'acceptable' in urban society. I don't know the root cause. I just know that part of the solution depends on people in these communities not tolerating it any longer.

[jessup270]

In most case those kids came from the city, but it again goes back to poverty as I said

I grew up SW Baltimore doing the 60s, lots of poor people in my neighborhood, including us. Our house was a tiny little dwelling on what can best be described as an alley.

It was not uncommon to see your buddies parent's household goods on the curb as a result of an eviction.

Most of the kids and teenagers were scared to death of the adults and especially the police.

Murders in my neighbor because of poverty, not really.

[bmore_ken]

I grew up SW Baltimore doing the 60s, lots of poor people in my neighborhood, including us. Our house was a tiny little dwelling on what can best be described as an alley.

It was not uncommon to see your buddies parent's household goods on the curb as a result of an eviction.

Most of the kids and teenagers were scared to death of the adults and especially the police.

Murders in my neighbor because of poverty, not really.

Different era in the drug game my friend. That's like comparing Johnny U to Peyton Manning. The old school hustlers back then weren't generally hostile to each other. New school pharma employees will kill you if you even look like you're soliciting on their turf. There's no comparison to the 60's and today it's a different game.

[jessup270]

Different era in the drug game my friend. That's like comparing Johnny U to Peyton Manning. The old school hustlers back then weren't generally hostile to each other. New school pharma employees will kill you if you even look like you're soliciting on their turf. There's no comparison to the 60's and today it's a different game.

My point was about poverty not being an automatic catalyst to violence.

The reason the drug dealers are so violent is that society has allowed their violence to be acceptable. Sort of the "fog of war", "collateral damage" type thing.

Communities by and large get the type of police protection they demand and more importantly deserve.

A simple major step to curbing violence in the inner city would be for a MANDATORY sentence of 10 years for any convicted felon found in possession of a firearm. No parole, no special circumstances, no exceptions.

[bmore_ken]

My point was about poverty not being an automatic catalyst to violence.

The reason the drug dealers are so violent is that society has allowed their violence to be acceptable. Sort of the "fog of war", "collateral damage" type thing.

Communities by and large get the type of police protection they demand and more importantly deserve.

A simple major step to curbing violence in the inner city would be for a MANDATORY sentence of 10 years for any convicted felon found in possession of a firearm. No parole, no special circumstances, no exceptions.

Now let me tell you why that wouldn't work. All that does is open up turf for another waiting in the wings. When you're born poor and live poor, and your opportunity comes to make more money in a week than many people make in a month, you'll fight to protect that spot. You're a little out of touch with what's going on out there but that's to be expected.

[boink]

http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2012/11...rders-plummet/



Crazy. Has Baltimore just given up?

A drop in homicides doesn't necessarily mean DC has become a safe place.

Last August there was a brutal, Zach Sowers-type beating of a Capitol Hill man across from Eastern Market, just seven blocks from the US Capitol.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...182b_blog.html

Man found beaten in Capitol Hill attack remains in critical condition but able to squeeze wife’s hand

By Peter Hermann

The 29-year-old man who was found beaten on the front porch of a home in Capitol Hill on Saturday has undergone two surgeries on his brain but his wife said he was able to squeeze her hand from his hospital bed Monday morning.

“I think this is an hour to hour situation,” Abigail Maslin said in a telephone interview from the hospital. She said her husband, Thomas C. Maslin, is “fighting right now” to stay alive and recover....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...258_story.html

3 held in Aug. beating near Eastern Market had been arrested on separate robbery charges

Three men accused of beating and robbing a man on Capitol Hill were charged after two of them allegedly described their roles in the crime to detectives more than a month after the attack that put the victim in a coma for six days.

The suspects — Tommy T. Branch, 21, of Fort Washington; Sunny Kuti, 17, of Southeast Washington; and Michael Moore, 18, of Landover — have been charged with armed robbery. They were in D.C. Superior Court on Thursday, standing next to their court-appointed attorneys as a judge ordered them to remain in the D.C. jail until their next hearing.

According to court records, Moore and Branch admitted their involvement in the early morning attack on Thomas C. Maslin on Aug. 18 near Eastern Market. Those admissions came during separate interviews with detectives on Tuesday and Wednesday.

The attack left Maslin with a traumatic brain injury....

[boink]

And the moral of the story is........... DC animals are more civilized than those in Baltimore?

Another possibility is..... more of their animals now live in PG and Montgomery which also were good areas not so long ago?

See above.

Of the three arrested, one is from DC SE, the other two from PG.

[russ498]

Three more murders last night in Baltimore.

One was a 16-year old kid.

No one cares, because:

A) - The victim was black,

and

B) - The killer was black.

Move along, nothing to see.

More likely, people (me) don't care because:

A The victim was a criminal

B The killer was a criminal

ps. Those that don't fit the aforementioned profile, I care deeply about.

[musicmd]

I get so tired hearing excuse after excuse for acts of criminal violence.

For me, the only thing that somewhat explains violence is the acceptance of a culture that does little to discourage violence and a culture that allows the criminal excuses, for his actions.

I was born and raised in the City of Baltimore and left at age 23 (1970).

To see my birthplace as the location for 200 plus homicides a year, 40,000 vacant houses, plus a citizenry that pays little for the services that they consume, its pitiful.

Yet somehow the spin doctors are able to explain away the ills of the city as the fault of almost everyone but city residents who create these deplorable conditions.

Well, ignore it.

[musicmd]

I think Social Acceptance plays a bigger role than Culture. I mean the things that are common today(out of wedlock births, destroying your own communities) were not acceptable in the generation of my parents and to an even lesser degree, my grand parents' generation. At some point over the past 40 years, lots of bad behavior became 'acceptable' in urban society. I don't know the root cause. I just know that part of the solution depends on people in these communities not tolerating it any longer.

One word CRACK

[bmore_ken]

More likely, people (me) don't care because:

A The victim was a criminal

B The killer was a criminal

ps. Those that don't fit the aforementioned profile, I care deeply about.

I made the exact same point earlier in the thread