As Baltimore's homicide rate climbs, DC's plummets.

[Eastside Terp]

the murder rate in the inner cities is a lot more than just drug dealers battling for turf .....

there is an uneducated, unemployable generation that grew up in dysfunctional "families" in a gangster culture with no respect for human life, no hope for the future and who just doesn't give a damn ......

[BlandFood]

the murder rate in the inner cities is a lot more than just drug dealers battling for turf .....

there is an uneducated, unemployable generation that grew up in dysfunctional "families" in a gangster culture with no respect for human life, no hope for the future and who just doesn't give a damn ......

Oh, you mean the Bobo supporter youts.

[bmore_ken]

the murder rate in the inner cities is a lot more than just drug dealers battling for turf .....

Jan. 3--The usual suspects. That's the focus of the Baltimore Police Department's explanation of the city's unconscionably high number of murders. The majority of the city's 275 murders in 2006 -- more than 80 percent -- involved people with criminal records, both the suspected killers and their victims. Bad guys were killing bad guys, that's the bottom line -- as though that analysis should make anyone feel safer in a city that remains among the most deadly in the United States.

The usual suspects -- most with a violent, drug-involved past -- are responsible for committing more murders last year than in 2005, an increase of six.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-156647341.html

That was from a Sun story back in 2007

[Spot72]

the murder rate in the inner cities is a lot more than just drug dealers battling for turf .....

there is an uneducated, unemployable generation that grew up in dysfunctional "families" in a gangster culture with no respect for human life, no hope for the future and who just doesn't give a damn ......

"Turf" not so much, the days of "hustling" on a street corner were left back in the nineties for the most part. "Turf" may be a factor on the west coast but not so much in Baltimore anymore. In the inner city, hundreds of robberies go on in sections of eastern and western district. Some of the victims who either live by "the code of the street" or respect the "code of the street" will never report the robbery or will rarely engage in any conversation with law enforcement. So you are talking about hundreds of robberies that NEVER MAKE THE BOOKS and that right there is a cause of a good number of shootings, easily.

With the large number of illegal arms being sold at low prices in the underworld, some would rather take action in their own hands unfortunately. Word travels in the underworld, some "stick up guy" or "guys" whether that's a drug addict or non drug addict target different neighborhoods in the same district so when their victim sees the robber down the line, well you see the headline in the next day. I would say robbery "get-back" is NOT all causes of homicides in Baltimore but I would say it's more of a cause than "turf". In the 90's it was more pockets of the western district that were more violence ridden but from 2000 going forward, pockets of the eastern district have been out of control while the west has calmed down a bit.

[Eastside Terp]

nobody said the good guy were killing good guys .......

just that kens story of blaming all the killings on drug dealers battling over turf doesn't explain it all either .......

if they made drugs legal tomorrow, which I support, you would still have this inner city lost generation carrying guns and killing each other over baby mommas and other things ......

[bmore_ken]

nobody said the good guy were killing good guys .......

just that kens story of blaming all the killings on drug dealers battling over turf doesn't explain it all either .......

if they made drugs legal tomorrow, which I support, you would still have this inner city lost generation carrying guns and killing each other over baby mommas and other things ......

Not nearly at the same rate. Outside of the drug culture most murders are between people who know each other. Watch any show on the ID channel and you see plenty of murder by white people, including white people in the suburbs. I was born in the city, it didn't make me a violent uneducated unemployable gangster

[Eastside Terp]

Not nearly at the same rate. Outside of the drug culture most murders are between people who know each other. Watch any show on the ID channel and you see plenty of murder by white people, including white people in the suburbs. I was born in the city, it didn't make me a violent uneducated unemployable gangster

so was I, probably lived in the city longer than you ......

[genghiskhanraven]

Not nearly at the same rate. Outside of the drug culture most murders are between people who know each other. Watch any show on the ID channel and you see plenty of murder by white people, including white people in the suburbs. I was born in the city, it didn't make me a violent uneducated unemployable gangster

You're full of it, go to the city paper and read the murder inc reports.
It's a sh$& load of 13 year old girl shot to death, 60 year old man killed in robbery, woman stabbed to death, military soldier on leave killed outside gas station etc....
Baltimore is full of uneducated, unemployed people who come from dysfunctional homes. baltimores "issues" run a lot deeper then just drug dealers fighting over street corners.
You dont find the high amount of carjackings, robberys and rapes we have in baltimore in other non ghetto cultures where daddy sticks around and getting an education isn't considered "selling out yo"
Thanks again for your anecdotal point that you and your friends didn't turn ghetto

Oh yea and as someone else pointed out, D.C murder rate has plummeted and PG countys has gone threw the roof compared to 15 years ago; and I wouldnt recommend to anyone to go on a late night stroll through Anacostia thinking its now safe

[Spot72]

Baltimore is full of uneducated, unemployed people who come from dysfunctional homes. baltimores "issues" run a lot deeper then just drug dealers fighting over street corners

where daddy sticks around and getting an education isn't considered "selling out yo"
Thanks again for your anecdotal point that you and your friends didn't turn ghetto

Hush your mouth, you have no clue of what you are speaking on. You have a lot of hostile feelings even to the point of categorizing everyone who lives in low income areas as criminals, you need to release some of that anger.

I have a few corners where I would love for you go to with this rhetoric, let's release some of this anger. Let me know when your ready

[bmore_ken]

You're full of it, go to the city paper and read the murder inc reports.
It's a sh$& load of 13 year old girl shot to death, 60 year old man killed in robbery, woman stabbed to death, military soldier on leave killed outside gas station etc....

I already posted the story that most murders committed in Baltimore are criminal on criminal. Feel free to stay in denial. In every big city in the country there are two constants that accompany a high homicide rate, drugs and poverty. DC's rate is dropping because as someone else said Gentrification which eliminates both of those factors

[Rael]

For some of us at least, this is less a matter of race and more of a consideration about the background of the prep and victim.

To be callous, yes, I really don't give a damn if someone with an extensive criminal record was shot-to-death after, for instance, an altercation at 2AM in front of a liquor store in a drug-infested neighborhood.

It is a tragedy when a 16 year old kid is killed regardless of his activities. I know at least one kid who had a significant drug problem from the ages of 18-21 who made life miserable for his family and friends who turned himself around and at 23 is a wonderful young man. Your life is hardly set in stone at age 16. I find the loss of potential to be a tragedy.

[Rael]

The kid in the suburb is generally not in the drug trade

Never went to Dulaney, eh?

[Rael]

I know there's plenty of drug use in the counties, but there are no turf battles and generally a county dealer isn't depending on it for his livelyhood

I guess I should have read the whole thread before my last response to you Ken. Agreed.

[jessup270]

It is easy and convenient to blame poverty for many of society's ills.

I find the study of Washington DC interesting when it comes to the topic of crime, poverty and racism.

Today DC suffers from serious crime issues, poverty and poor educational performance.

DC got home rule in 1973 and has been ruled almost completely by the black community since than. No white mayor has ever been elected in the District. So is it safe to say that racism is not a factor in DCs woes?

DC has great employment opportunities and wages that are exceptional compared to most parts of the country, so should unemployment be a factor in DC?

DC get millions from the Federal Government. DC spends almost $30,000 per child for public education. For $30,000 you can send a child to a private prep school in most areas of the country. Why are the results so bad when so much money is spent per pupil in DC?

[bmore_ken]

I don't think anyone brought up racism into the equation. As far as employment opportunities and wages, unemployment is a factor everywhere and if you've ever seen the rents in D.C. you know it's not cheap to live there even with a decent job and income. As to school performance I suspect it's the same thing I believe here, parents. You can spend a million dollars per student but if the parent isn't engaged in their child's education it's wasted money. Just my two cents from what I know of DC, which granted isn't a whole lot

[genghiskhanraven]

I already posted the story that most murders committed in Baltimore are criminal on criminal. Feel free to stay in denial. In every big city in the country there are two constants that accompany a high homicide rate, drugs and poverty. DC's rate is dropping because as someone else said Gentrification which eliminates both of those factors

Doesnt tell us anything
Yes its obvious almost all murderers should already have a criminal record by the time the get to the point where they can kill someone and in Baltimore most victims would also have a criminal record as well. But that doesn't tells us if the murders are by drug dealers or over drugs.
If some 18 year old kid with criminal record for theft and drug possession gets shot to death in a fight over a girl they would count that as criminal on criminal murder based on the victims priors.

Sure poverty and drugs are a factor but violence and crime rates are much lower in other areas that suffer from drugs and poverty.
If you take a poor area and throw in a black ghetto culture ontop of the poverty, unemployment and drugs, it's like a bomb going off, adding that culture is throwing gasoline on a fire.

Gentrification leads to a reduction in violence because it also pushes out those with that ghetto culture that makes them more susceptible or prone to violence.

[bmore_ken]

Doesnt tell us anything

That's because your bigotry blinds you to facts. Nothing new with you. There are plenty of good black people in Baltimore City who don't kill and rob people

[genghiskhanraven]

when were we talking about the good black people, i thought we were talking about the bad people and why the violent crime rate in Baltimore is so high.
I know theirs lots of good black people, i used to live off 33rd and greenmount and would walk everywhere with no fear, Petes Grill was great and i saw some crazy stuff at that 711 and the mcdonalds on 29th

Im just not an enabler and i speak the truth, its the thugs fault if they end up a thug and no one wants to speak out about all the black dads skipping out on their baby mommas and how it's really a culture issue and bad home life leads to no motivation to get educated and no respect for others. The race hustlers want the money and want to blame anyone but those who are really to blame, i am the truth and i love my black people (the good ones)

[Spot72]

when were we talking about the good black people, i thought we were talking about the bad people and why the violent crime rate in Baltimore is so high.
I know theirs lots of good black people, i used to live off 33rd and greenmount and would walk everywhere with no fear, Petes Grill was great and i saw some crazy stuff at that 711 and the mcdonalds on 29th

Im just not an enabler and i speak the truth, its the thugs fault if they end up a thug and no one wants to speak out about all the black dads skipping out on their baby mommas and how it's really a culture issue and bad home life leads to no motivation to get educated and no respect for others. The race hustlers want the money and want to blame anyone but those who are really to blame, i am the truth and i love my black people (the good ones)

Here's where you lose people, in the bold you state "about all the black dads"

You have Black Men all over the state who live with their wives and children all over the state from Baltimore to Prince George's from Cumberland to Calvert, so when you speak in generalizations you fail every time.

Here is a Harford County top 10 most wanted list for child support:
How come on the list, it's more than just "black dads" How come?

http://www.harfordsheriff.org/wanted...child_support/

[genghiskhanraven]

Here's where you lose people, in the bold you state "about all the black dads"

You have Black Men all over the state who live with their wives and children all over the state from Baltimore to Prince George's from Cumberland to Calvert, so when you speak in generalizations you fail every time.

Here is a Harford County top 10 most wanted list for child support:
How come on the list, it's more than just "black dads" How come?

http://www.harfordsheriff.org/wanted...child_support/

Off the prior posts it was explicitly clear that I was addressing a specific group and not black men in general.
White people can have no morals, skip out, become white trash.... You name it, no one ever posted otherwise.
My points been It's all about the numbers, 12% of the population committing over 50% of the violent crime and are 50% of the prison population. Those numbers are the screaming red flag that its more than just drugs and poverty, theirs another dynamic to it.