Britain Ready To Back Palestinian Statehood At UN

[Sprightly]

One problem. Now that they are a legitimate state, if Hamas attacks israel then israel has the right to defend themselves against another state/country that is attacking them. Bibi's language only fired up the Pals. The US could have stop this but Bibi has pissed Obama off once too many times. Got what he deserved!

How could the United States have stopped this?

[Byng]

Oh dear! Palestine is moving right along!

"Abbas said that the Palestinians will accept no less than “the independence of the state of Palestine, with east Jerusalem as its capital, on all the Palestinian territory occupied in 1967, to live in peace and security alongside the State of Israel, and a solution for the refugee issue on the basis of Resolution 194.”

[BlandFood]

Oh dear! Palestine is moving right along!

"Abbas said that the Palestinians will accept no less than “the independence of the state of Palestine, with east Jerusalem as its capital, on all the Palestinian territory occupied in 1967, to live in peace and security alongside the State of Israel, and a solution for the refugee issue on the basis of Resolution 194.”

Yeah, they've proved they can do that.

[Byng]

Yeah, they've proved they can do that.

Takes two to Tango! Israel is capable, Netanyahu is not!

[cprenegade]

Israel has to push hard to provoke that kind of response from Hamas. But Hamas are not the only ones that fire rockets at Israel. Infortunately Israel assassinated the Palestinin leader that kept these smaller group from firing rockets at Palestine. He put 17 people in jail for firing rockets at Israel. He was also negotiating a permanent truce with an Israeli Peace activist.

To a certain degree it's Israel that doesn't want Peace. If Peace ever broke out between Israel and all their Neighbors. They would have to get off our teet and go get a real job doing something productive for the world.

If the truth is known, Hamas probably doesn't fire any rockets at Israel. They provide the weaponry, and enlist it's citizens to do it's dirty work. The terrorist government of Hamas sits in safe havens avoiding the inevitable retaliation. They use hatred to convince it's unsuspecting citizens to take all of the risks. The same way they convince teenagers to strap on bombs and infiltrate civilian markets and blow themselves into chunks of flesh in the attempt to kill as many innocent civilians as possible. They are barbaric. If peace ever broke out, they would be rendered irrelevant. They would have to function as a legitimate government and work for the good of it's people. They have no plans for the future outside of continuing to get arms from nations willing to fund their cause. Governments based soley on race hatred have existed before in history (aka Nazi Germany), but they have always been defeated. Mainly because hatred is simply not enough to sustain a nation in the long run. At some point in time, you have to have a plan for moving your people ahead, and simply destroying another race is not very much of a plan for the future.

[BlandFood]

Takes two to Tango! Israel is capable, Netanyahu is not!

BB is smart enough to kill his enemy, no more Mr. nice guy like warnings at the KD. I (with no dog in the fight) wish him well in doing so.

[Byng]

BB is smart enough to kill his enemy, no more Mr. nice guy like warnings at the KB. I (with no dog in the fight) wish him well in doing so.

Contrary to popular belief I am actualy pro-Israel and a good friend of Israel. I am just anti-Netanyahu, his party and everything they stand for!

[Wizard777]

Palestine's status was upgraded to "non-member observer state" and it will receive certain "rights." None of which are the ones that you hope for. Not at this time. Israel is not a member of the ICC and its citizens are immune from the ICC as are U.S. citizens because we did not ratify the Rome Statute. And your prior comments about Israel being worried about Palestine going to the ICJ are complete hyperbole. The ICJ does not interfere in criminal matters such as accusations of genocide and war crimes. It is used for arbitration and its rulings are non-enforceable. While you are correct that the ICC is not technically a part of the U.N., the two often work together at such times as the U.N. Security Council referring cases (cases involving individuals, not countries) to the ICC.

You still can't put 1 and 1 together and come up with 2. They went from Nonmember observer's to a nonmember observer STATE. The UN now recognizes Palestine as a State.

You put to much stock in the War Crimes thing. Palestine can simply do what Isarel and even US do. They can put together a kill list and assasinate them when and where evere they can. They can spend the next 60 or more years hunting and assassinating them like Israel did to the Nazi's that escaped the hangmans noose at Nuremberg. Did we take Osama bin Laden to the ICC. HELL NO! We put a hole in his head and dropped him in the Marianas trench. He is now literally lower than whale chit. The reason why we do this is because there is no world court that can actually deliver justice. So assassination is as close to justice as any state can get. The reason there is no world court that can deliver justice is because we will not allow that court to actually exist. We will not allow that court to actually exist because we know our corrupt politicians would not be able to keep themselves out of that court's prision. They would no longer be above the law and commit international crimes with impunity. We would nolonger be able to be the accessories to the crimes of other nations. So instead of seeking Justice we settle for revenge.

Where the ICJ comes in is that they are most effective at boarder deliniations. So if Netanyahu continues to to try play both US and Palestine as suckers in the negotiations. They can say we've been conducting these negotiations for decades and we have been literally losing physical ground. Israel is literally wiping Palestine off the Map. We're done. We'll go to ICJ and let them determine our rightful boarders under international law. The Court does have an enforcement mechanism. That's the Security Council and this is what Hardeep Singh Puri, President of the Security Council, said today.

General Assembly

Over the course of the year, he said, Council members had expressed concern at, and many condemned, the steady expansion of Israeli settlements, calling them illegal under international law or illegitimate.

So there it is before the UNSC a Judgement from ICJ that deliniates the boarders of the two states. The two state solution has been handed to teh Security Council on a silver platter. If US veto's the enforcement of that Judgement. Even if we can drag Israel and Palestine back to the table. What legitimacy would the results of any negotiations have after that veto? What if it results in veto gridlock in the Security Council? One of teh permanent meembers takes the position that they will veto everything brought before the Security Council until the enforcement of the Judgement is approved. The Palestinians have been waiting over 60 years for this solution. They can't wait any longer. Everything else in the world can wait with Palestine for the next 60 years if that's if that's what it takes. Veto! Veto! Veto! Veto! Veto! Veto! Veto! It's bad enough that Israel is threatening the integrity of the NPT. Are we also going to allow them to threaten the stability of the UNSC? What if Palestine goes NEOCON and pulls a Bush? We have a judgement from the ICJ and we don't need the IN or the UNSC. We have formed a coalition of the willing 138 states to enforce this judgement. Then people will be saying Israel should have jumped on those 1967 boarders when Obama was offering them.

[BlandFood]

Contrary to popular belief I am actualy pro-Israel and a good friend of Israel. I am just anti-Netanyahu, his party and everything they stand for!

Does that mean he can't count on you to arm the bomb??

[cprenegade]

Contrary to popular belief I am actualy pro-Israel and a good friend of Israel. I am just anti-Netanyahu, his party and everything they stand for!

I can understand that. But you have to realize that Israel and it's leaders must be getting tired of rockets constantly reigning down on them, and tired of other leaders in the area calling for the destruction of their nation. Israel and Egypt fought for years, then in the mid 70's agreed to a peace agreement which has held to this day. Israel has never called for the destruction of other nations. Even during the period of other Israeli leaders, Iraq, Iran, Libya, and Syria continually fostered terrorism towards Israel. It's awfully hard to want peace with people whose whole agenda seems to be seeing you wiped off of the map.

[Wizard777]

Oh dear! Palestine is moving right along!

"Abbas said that the Palestinians will accept no less than “the independence of the state of Palestine, with east Jerusalem as its capital, on all the Palestinian territory occupied in 1967, to live in peace and security alongside the State of Israel, and a solution for the refugee issue on the basis of Resolution 194.”

I haven't stayed at a Holliday Inn Express or spent a couple day's in the company of someone from the UN. I've actually done a little research instead. Since everyone in Israel and DC are crapping thier pants over the possibility of Palestine going to the ICC. I brushed up on the ICC. Moving right along indeed.

On January 21, 2009 the Palestinian National Authority submitted a declaration to the International Criminal Court, in accordance with Article 12(3) of the Rome Statute of the ICC, accepting the Jurisdiction of the ICC. On April 3, 2012 the ICC Prosecutor declared himself unable to determine that Palestine is a "state" for the purposes of the Rome Statute. Guess what question the greater majority of the world just answered for the ICC Posecutor today? Non member observer STATE.

The ICC has Jurisdiction on crimes commited on or after July 1, 2002. They have jurisduction under three circumstances. They are if the accused is a national of a state party, if the alleged crime took place on the territory of a state party or if a situation is referred to the Court by the UNSC.

Ahhhhhh, the banquet table is set. The sword of Damocles is in place. Now we just need King Netanyahu at the table and let the festivities begin.

[Wizard777]

I can understand that. But you have to realize that Israel and it's leaders must be getting tired of rockets constantly reigning down on them,

A wise man once said, When you grow tired of being mauled that is the best time to QUIT POKING THE FREAKIN' TIGER WITH A STICK.

[BlandFood]

A wise man once said, When you grow tired of being mauled that is the best time to QUIT POKING THE FREAKIN' TIGER WITH A STICK.

Either you just turned pro Israel or you have the jackass and the tiger mixed up. Ever look at the SCOREBOARD?

Oh yeah, 6 [DELETED] days, the [DELETED]world.

[cprenegade]

A wise man once said, When you grow tired of being mauled that is the best time to QUIT POKING THE FREAKIN' TIGER WITH A STICK.

When you're right, you're right. Maybe Hamas will stop poking now, considering they are losing 100 innocent palestinian lives for every 10 they kill in Israel. But then, since they really don't care how many palestinians they kill, I suppose they will continue to POKE THE FREAKIN' TIGER!

[cprenegade]

Haha......unbiased indeed! Even an organization as lame as the UN can't hide it's true feelings.

Hours before the United Nations General Assembly voted to recognize the Palestinian Authority as a non-member observer state, the official U.N. Twitter account made a very unfortunate one-character typo.

"On Day of Solidarity with Palestinians, Ban Ki-moon stresses urgency of reaching 1-state solution," read the tweet.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/tech/s...html?hpt=hp_t3

[ivanbalt]

To a certain degree it's Israel that doesn't want Peace. If Peace ever broke out between Israel and all their Neighbors. They would have to get off our teet and go get a real job doing something productive for the world.

Now the true Wizard is starting to come out. Israel's GDP is ranked 41st (higher than Egypt) in the world. Did the US give that to them? Not bad for a population of 8 million.

[ivanbalt]

You will get no argument from me on Hamas with the exception that Hamas are terrorists in skirts, long beards and towels on their heads and Netenyahu is a terrorist in a suit and tie!

Do you also consider Obama a terrorist? Israel launches airstrikes against targets in Gaza, the US launches airstrikes against targets in Pakistan.

I'm guessing no.

[Sprightly]

Now the true Wizard is starting to come out. Israel's GDP is ranked 41st (higher than Egypt) in the world. Did the US give that to them? Not bad for a population of 8 million.

Yep. Which is why I called his comment "utterly ridiculous."

[Sprightly]

Do you also consider Obama a terrorist? Israel launches airstrikes against targets in Gaza, the US launches airstrikes against targets in Pakistan.

I'm guessing no.

Byng is a friend to Israel. Please remember that. (Despite no attempts whatsover to defend Israel. But, he is a friend.) With friend like that . . .

[Daan]

I can understand that. But you have to realize that Israel and it's leaders must be getting tired of rockets constantly reigning down on them,

"constantly" ?

Do you acknowledge the constant harassment and humiliation and denial of necessary medical services the Palestinians endure and many die from?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&s...pw.r_qf.&cad=b


Do you acknowledge that the Palestinians are tired of more than 50 years of living under cruel occupation, enduring the theft of their land and destruction of their homes?

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