Britain Ready To Back Palestinian Statehood At UN

[Byng]

So is the greater part of 'Israel'.

"Greater" Israel is Netanyahu's aim! He has never wanted peace and has no intention of having peace today. His aim has always been (since the 90's) a "Greater Israel", covering all land from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River and he is not going to change his plan now. It will just come down to at what point, if ever, the United States decides that they can no longer back Netanyahu.

Hoping he does not win the election in January is not much of a plan.

[Daan]

So is the greater part of 'Israel'.

What he said.

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[beeg jacques]

"Voraciously defend it"? My arse... Just pointing out to the board, yet another of your hasbara lies.

Genocidists of a feather...

Of course you can't help defending such zealotry.

Just like you can't help being a compulsive liar with your repeated feeble cries of "genocide".

[WKDWZD]

Of course you can't help defending such zealotry.

Just like you can't help being a compulsive liar with your repeated feeble cries of "genocide".

Why does an apt description of your opinions and beliefs and your defending everything that the murderous IDF enrage you so much? It is what it is and you are undeniably a genocidist.

[beeg jacques]

Why does an apt description of your opinions and beliefs and your defending everything that the murderous IDF enrage you so much? It is what it is and you are undeniably a genocidist.

It's actually amusing to goad junior jihadis into such a rage that they can't stop lying, and are compelled to bark madly about a non-existent genocide.

[Sprightly]

On this forum the loudest posters are those who:

1) Think that Palestine can do no wrong. Four of those posters would be WKDWZD, Daan, Wizard and Byng. Of course, a couple of these posters are not "anti-Israel. No sir! They are Israel friendly! They are just anti-zionists! Just ask them!

2) Think that Israel can do no wrong. Beeg Jacques would be one. (Sorry.)

3) A few here believe that there are serious issues on both sides (Ivanbalt and me to name two) that need to be addressed.

I nominate Ivanbalt and me to handle the negotiations. The posters mentioned in #1 and #2 are barred from participation.

[Byng]

On this forum the loudest posters are those who:

1) Think that Palestine can do no wrong. Four of those posters would be WKDWZD, Daan, Wizard and Byng. Of course, a couple of these posters are not "anti-Israel. No sir! They are Israel friendly! They are just anti-zionists! Just ask them!

2) Think that Israel can do no wrong. Beeg Jacques would be one. (Sorry.)

3) A few here believe that there are serious issues on both sides (Ivanbalt and me to name two) that need to be addressed.

I nominate Ivanbalt and me to handle the negotiations. The posters mentioned in #1 and #2 are barred from participation.

Is that you Bibi?

[WKDWZD]

It's actually amusing to goad junior jihadis into such a rage that they can't stop lying, and are compelled to bark madly about a non-existent genocide.

Is it a hasbara thing or a Jewish thing that makes you do soppy na-na-ne-na-na's? I've noticed that all the 'crew' do the same.

[Sprightly]

Is that you Bibi?

Yes, Byng. Bibi posts on this forum. Now you know.

[WKDWZD]

On this forum the loudest posters are those who:

1) Think that Palestine can do no wrong. Four of those posters would be WKDWZD, Daan, Wizard and Byng. Of course, a couple of these posters are not "anti-Israel. No sir! They are Israel friendly! They are just anti-zionists! Just ask them!

2) Think that Israel can do no wrong. Beeg Jacques would be one. (Sorry.)

3) A few here believe that there are serious issues on both sides (Ivanbalt and me to name two) that need to be addressed.

I nominate Ivanbalt and me to handle the negotiations. The posters mentioned in #1 and #2 are barred from participation.

You fall at the first hurdle Sprightly. This poster, WKDWZD, knows that Palestine (through Hammas et al) can and do do much that is wrong.

Now if you can get bj to admit any failing o Israel's part in this 'dispute', get back to me.

[beeg jacques]

Is it a hasbara thing or a Jewish thing that makes you do soppy na-na-ne-na-na's? I've noticed that all the 'crew' do the same.

And WKDWZD removes any remaining doubts with this gem.

[Byng]

Yes, Byng. Bibi posts on this forum. Now you know.

Nah, it can't be you Bibi, because you would be stating that you will attend peace negotiations, with no preconditions and then give a whole list of preconditions for the Palestinians to be granted a seat at the table.

What you fail/choose not to understand my friend is that being anti Bibi Netanyahu is not necessarily synonymous with being anti-Israel. In fact that has been the unstated position (stated by Clinton) of both the Clinton and Obama Administrations since Bibi started pulling this crap in the 90's. Unfortunately we had Bush and Cheney in-between.

[Daan]

Why does an apt description of your opinions and beliefs and your defending everything that the murderous IDF enrage you so much? It is what it is and you are undeniably a genocidist.

It's the Israel-Firster-Zionist-Lackey-Hasbarat’s duty to attempt to defend the indefensible. It’s, at the same time, both disgusting and amusing.

It's likely the result of their being brain-washed or indoctrinated. They can't help themselves, their minds are closed.


The International Convention of the Prevention
and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide on
December 9, 1948 set the United Nations
definition of genocide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocid...ide_as_a_crime
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The CPPCG was adopted by the UN General Assembly on 9 December 1948 and came into effect on 12 January 1951 (Resolution 260 (III)). It contains an internationally-recognized definition of genocide which was incorporated into the national criminal legislation of many countries, and was also adopted by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, the treaty that established the International Criminal Court (ICC). The Convention (in article 2) defines genocide:

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II

End Quote

The government of Israel should someday be made to answer for the crime of Genocide.


At some point the Jewish people will stop "loving themselves for who they think they are, and will loathe themselves for what they have become - Gilad Atzmon"

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[beeg jacques]

On this forum the loudest posters are those who:

1) Think that Palestine can do no wrong. Four of those posters would be WKDWZD, Daan, Wizard and Byng. Of course, a couple of these posters are not "anti-Israel. No sir! They are Israel friendly! They are just anti-zionists! Just ask them!

2) Think that Israel can do no wrong. Beeg Jacques would be one. (Sorry.)

3) A few here believe that there are serious issues on both sides (Ivanbalt and me to name two) that need to be addressed.

I nominate Ivanbalt and me to handle the negotiations. The posters mentioned in #1 and #2 are barred from participation.

Of course Israel has done and can do wrong. Sprightly. I'm merely countering the posts of those whose long term position is that Israel should not exist. There is no middle ground with such an extremist mindset. As an example, Ivanbalt has attempted to take an evenhanded position, but since he doesn't support the jihadist position, he gets attacked on this forum.

[Sprightly]

Of course Israel has done and can do wrong. Sprightly. I'm merely countering the posts of those whose long term position is that Israel should not exist. There is no middle ground with such an extremist mindset. As an example, Ivanbalt has attempted to take an evenhanded position, but since he doesn't support the jihadist position, he gets attacked on this forum.

I understand, beeg jacques. I've been the recipient of the same reactions as Ivanbalt. That's why I nominated us!

[beeg jacques]

Foe some reason,the simple fact that the Palestinian Arab population has increased by MILLIONS since Israel's creation seems to escape the attention of the junior jihadi brigade.

As does the fact that the West Bank and Gaza Residents experience among the longest life spans in the Middle East.

The intensive media coverage of the West Bank and Gaza creates the impression that the Palestinians experience unusually harsh levels of deprivation. Data collected by the United Nations has consistently shown for many years that the Palestinians, who benefit from enormous amounts of foreign aid as well as benefiting from close access to Israeli health services, are healthier and live longer than most of the people in the Middle East. A chart published by London's Daily Mail citing the CIA World Factbook (which uses UN data) shows the longevity rankings of different states and entities.

The West Bank at #90 ranks near the top of the Middle East region, ahead of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and most of the North African states. Even Gaza at #110, routinely portrayed in the media as suffering deprivation due to Israeli measures, experiences greater longevity at 74.16 years than neighboring Egypt at 72.93 years. Interestingly, most of these states rank well ahead of Russia and other former East bloc states.

Palestinians in the West Bank have greater longevity (and other favorable health metrics) than the majority of the world's population and yet have been among the largest recipients of humanitarian aid in the world for two decades.

[Sprightly]

Nah, it can't be you Bibi, because you would be stating that you will attend peace negotiations, with no preconditions and then give a whole list of preconditions for the Palestinians to be granted a seat at the table.

What you fail/choose not to understand my friend is that being anti Bibi Netanyahu is not necessarily synonymous with being anti-Israel. In fact that has been the unstated position (stated by Clinton) of both the Clinton and Obama Administrations since Bibi started pulling this crap in the 90's. Unfortunately we had Bush and Cheney in-between.

Yep. You are barred from the table.

[zenwalk]

There was never much doubt that the U.N. General Assembly would overwhelmingly vote to upgrade the Palestinian Authority to the status of nonmember state on Nov. 29. The big surprise of the event was that a number of key Western European countries did not join the United States and vote against the resolution. The Czech Republic was the only European country to vote against the upgrade, and shockingly, the normally staunchly pro-Israeli governments of Germany and Britain decided to abstain. Does this mean that Israel has lost Europe?


Germany's surprising decision, in the eleventh hour, to shift from opposing Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's bid to abstaining on it was reportedly tied to the question of Israel's ongoing construction of settlements in the West Bank -- a recent source of contention in European capitals. Germany appears to have taken this opportunity to address the conflict on the world stage.

This decision was especially shocking to Israelis given Germany's historical relationship with the Jewish state. Chancellor Angela Merkel declared in a 2008 speech before the Knesset that she supported Israel's right to defend itself and that only the Israelis and Palestinians -- without external interference -- could negotiate a two-state solution.

The meaning in all this is that the collective recognition of two-state solution is, if not dead, is certainly not on the Netanyahu table. Remember, your money makes all this possible.

But for Netanyahu to find himself all alone, with only a reluctant partner in Washington and seven other countries by his side, must surely have come as a shock.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...el_lost_europe

[Sprightly]

You fall at the first hurdle Sprightly. This poster, WKDWZD, knows that Palestine (through Hammas et al) can and do do much that is wrong.

Now if you can get bj to admit any failing o Israel's part in this 'dispute', get back to me.

He does. You can't participate because you have proven to be far too biased.

[beeg jacques]

I'm wondering about all the many attempts that Abbas has made to have peace talks with Israel, yet was rebuffed by the Israeli government?

Can someone help me find some of these many examples?