Britain Ready To Back Palestinian Statehood At UN

[BlandFood]

Careful Ian, there's a JOOOOOO behind that bush!

[Sprightly]

Actually Sprightly, it's more like the World vs the US and Israel. It is outrageous and immoral that the US has repeatedly vetoed UN resolutions that have gone against Israel, when just about every other member state has voted in favour of them. It is the US that is wrong, not the rest of the world. That may be cool with you... it's not with me.

Don't worry, WKDWZD, your dislike for the United States and Israel has been made very clear on the forum. I don't even know why you post here.

[WKDWZD]

Don't worry, WKDWZD, your dislike for the United States and Israel has been made very clear on the forum. I don't even know why you post here.

Sure, if you say so Sprightly.

Back to the topic, doesn't it bother you at all that the US is the only country to defy the UN and veto any and every resolution that goes against Israel, effectively making it complicit in supporting the illegal Iraeli settlements and the illegal occupation of Palestine?

I know, just stick your fingers in your ears and sing la-la-la...

[AttackPlanR]

Israel is a strategic ally of this country. No, it does not bother me.

Yes, I do say so. Your anti-Israel sentiments have been duly noted over the years that you have posted here. I'll go even further and say that you would like to see Israel "wiped from the map."

How is Israel a strategic ally to us? Maybe during the cold war, but not any more. The USSR is not trying to influence the region any more, so there is no need to counter them. Other than being a democracy there is really no reason not to let them go their own way. They've never done one thing beneficial for us, and now that we're occupying Iraq we've got that region covered.

[Sprightly]

How is Israel a strategic ally to us? Maybe during the cold war, but not any more. The USSR is not trying to influence the region any more, so there is no need to counter them. Other than being a democracy there is really no reason not to let them go their own way. They've never done one thing beneficial for us, and now that we're occupying Iraq we've got that region covered.

Why is the world would you state that Russia isn't try to influence that region?

[BlandFood]

Why is the world would you state that Russia isn't try to influence that region?

He's obviously never heard of Iran.

[Sprightly]

“Zionism” is a product of England. The countries in that region did not have defined borders until France and England -- and others - not the United States -- interfered. Stop blaming the United States and Israel for all the problems in the Middle East. Maybe it’s trying to clean up the mess created by Europe.

I wonder if WKDWZD has ever heard of the "Baghdad Pact?"

[bmore_ken]

The resolution won't mean anything anyway. As I said, big whoop

[cprenegade]

How is Israel a strategic ally to us? Maybe during the cold war, but not any more. The USSR is not trying to influence the region any more, so there is no need to counter them. Other than being a democracy there is really no reason not to let them go their own way. They've never done one thing beneficial for us, and now that we're occupying Iraq we've got that region covered.

The US has always been an ally of Israel, and we don't make it a habit of kicking our allies to the curb once their "usefulness" to us has ended. Besides, the fact that it pisses Iran off is reason enough!

[Omaha Beach]

Israel is a strategic ally of this country. No, it does not bother me.

Yes, I do say so. Your anti-Israel sentiments have been duly noted over the years that you have posted here. I'll go even further and say that you would like to see Israel "wiped from the map."

You have to understand that Wanker. He thinks US foreign policy should be dictated by what despots in third world countries like Syria, North Korea, Saudia Arabia, Sierra Leone et etc think it should be.

[Wizard777]

Israel is a strategic ally of this country. No, it does not bother me.

Yes, I do say so. Your anti-Israel sentiments have been duly noted over the years that you have posted here. I'll go even further and say that you would like to see Israel "wiped from the map."

I see are you even the least little bit concerned that Israel is actually wiping Palestine off the map? Why is it huge crime to say a country should be wiped off the map but not to actually wipe a country off the map settlement by settlement?

[Wizard777]

The resolution won't mean anything anyway. As I said, big whoop

Actually if the resolution passes Palestine will have access to the ICC and the ICJ. They can pursue war crimes charges against Israel and their officials in either court. It will also means that are a sovereign state. After hearing Israel on the recent Gaza conflict I think this is the best way for Palestine to go. In the Gaza conflict the Israeli's were saying, we withdrew all our settlements from Gaza and what did that get us? You gave them their land back and they owe you something? That's like having your relatives move in and tke over your house. Then insist that you owe them big time because they have decided to move out and return your house to you. The only thing Palestine owes them is an arse whooping for taking the land in the first place. This is why Palestine needs to get their Sovereignty from the UN instead of negotiations with Israel. Because if they get it from negotiations with Israel. Palestine will spend they rest of eternity hearing from Israel. We gave you your sovereignty and you owe us eternally for that. NOPE! Get it from the UN then Israel and Palestine can begin negotiating as equals. Two seperate and sovereign states.

[WKDWZD]

You have to understand that Wanker. He thinks US foreign policy should be dictated by what despots in third world countries like Syria, North Korea, Saudia Arabia, Sierra Leone et etc think it should be.

Still smarting because I embarrassed you over your lack of knowledge of the geography of your own screen name, are you? I was only trying to educate you.

[ivanbalt]

How is Israel a strategic ally to us? Maybe during the cold war, but not any more. The USSR is not trying to influence the region any more, so there is no need to counter them. Other than being a democracy there is really no reason not to let them go their own way. They've never done one thing beneficial for us, and now that we're occupying Iraq we've got that region covered.

Israel is an ally because it's blatantly obvious that the Arabs and Muslims in the region will never be an ally or friend.

[ivanbalt]

Actually if the resolution passes Palestine will have access to the ICC and the ICJ. They can pursue war crimes charges against Israel and their officials in either court. It will also means that are a sovereign state. After hearing Israel on the recent Gaza conflict I think this is the best way for Palestine to go. In the Gaza conflict the Israeli's were saying, we withdrew all our settlements from Gaza and what did that get us? You gave them their land back and they owe you something? That's like having your relatives move in and tke over your house. Then insist that you owe them big time because they have decided to move out and return your house to you. The only thing Palestine owes them is an arse whooping for taking the land in the first place. This is why Palestine needs to get their Sovereignty from the UN instead of negotiations with Israel. Because if they get it from negotiations with Israel. Palestine will spend they rest of eternity hearing from Israel. We gave you your sovereignty and you owe us eternally for that. NOPE! Get it from the UN then Israel and Palestine can begin negotiating as equals. Two seperate and sovereign states.

Does that mean Israel can pursue war crime charges against "Palestine"?

[bmore_ken]

Actually if the resolution passes Palestine will have access to the ICC and the ICJ. They can pursue war crimes charges against Israel and their officials in either court.

You think Israel gives a flying F about either of them? Where have you been the last 60 years

[AttackPlanR]

Israel is an ally because it's blatantly obvious that the Arabs and Muslims in the region will never be an ally or friend.

Kuwait (Oil / military bases), Saudi Arabia (Oil), and Qatar (military bases / Oil) would all beg to differ. And because of what we get from them we turn a blind eye to the human rights abuses they do that would make Iran seem like a real Eden.

[Wizard777]

Does that mean Israel can pursue war crime charges against "Palestine"?

Absolutely, but what most of what Israel calls war crimes and terrorism is merely very legal resistance movement. Israel should remember what that's all about from Nazi Occupied France and other territories. Also from the founding of Israel. You are either resistance or collaborator. If your a collaborator that will held against you for all eternity.

Also any war crimes trials against Palestine will be governed by international law. Not Israeli proaganda. They'll have to have Prosecutors not a talking head on a TV playing the consumate eternal victim back by threats to make the court pay a horrible price should they not decide the case in Israel's favor.

[ivanbalt]

Absolutely, but what most of what Israel calls war crimes and terrorism is merely very legal resistance movement. Israel should remember what that's all about from Nazi Occupied France and other territories. Also from the founding of Israel. You are either resistance or collaborator. If your a collaborator that will held against you for all eternity.

Also any war crimes trials against Palestine will be governed by international law. Not Israeli proaganda. They'll have to have Prosecutors not a talking head on a TV playing the consumate eternal victim back by threats to make the court pay a horrible price should they not decide the case in Israel's favor.

Let's translate this post:

Palestinians accuse Israel of war crimes = 100% true

Israel accuses Palestinians of war crimes = propaganda, nazis, Jew-controlled media, etc.



The funny/sad thing is that your heroes in Hamas actually commit war crimes against Palestinians while fighting Israel.

[ivanbalt]

Kuwait (Oil / military bases), Saudi Arabia (Oil), and Qatar (military bases / Oil) would all beg to differ. And because of what we get from them we turn a blind eye to the human rights abuses they do that would make Iran seem like a real Eden.

The other two are debatable, but Saudi Arabia isn't a friend or ally. Business partner at best.