what happened to the undefeated bottom feeders?

[benhur]

What happened to all those weak schedule bottom feeders who wanted to be power houses? Guys you can't earn respect being worried about being beat. Throw down the gauntlet and do battle with the best competition you can find. Leave your little corner of the world and test yourself against the best. If you can not do this, just shut up and stop enjecting your programs into the conversation of real men.

[ECF]

What happened to all those weak schedule bottom feeders who wanted to be power houses? Guys you can't earn respect being worried about being beat. Throw down the gauntlet and do battle with the best competition you can find. Leave your little corner of the world and test yourself against the best. If you can not do this, just shut up and stop enjecting your programs into the conversation of real men.

What schools are you speaking of....

[The Eternal White Belt]

What schools are you speaking of....

Better yet, which coaches and/or athletic departments do you THINK you are speaking to? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they aren't reading this.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Better yet, which coaches and/or athletic departments do you THINK you are speaking to? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they aren't reading this.

You would be 100% wrong. Not only do coaches and AD's read this board quite a few post in his board. Not only from the Baltimore area but also the DC area. And I'm not assuming, I know personally of this. You would be surprised at how influential this board is in area sports.

[The Eternal White Belt]

Yes, color me surprised then.

[eaglesinsider]

Here are the teams that finished the regular season undefeated:

1A: Perryville (10-0)- finished 12-1, lost 27-28 to New Town in state semis

2A:
Middletown (10-0)- now 13-0, playing in championship game
Kent Island (10-0)- finished 11-1, lost in regional finals to Elkton

3A
Damascus (10-0)- finished 10-1, lost to Urbana in OT in regional semi-finals
River Hill (10-0)- now 13-0, playing in championship game

4A
Wise (10-0)- now 13-0, playing in championship game
Westminster (10-0)- finished 12-1, lost to Quince Orchard 19-21 in state semis
Arundel (10-0)- finished 10-1, lost to Meade in regional semi-finals

MIAA B: St. Paul's (9-0)- finished 11-0, MIAA B Champs

MIAA C: St. Frances (9-0)- finished 11-0, MIAA B Champs

Of the teams that finished the regular season undefeated, I think you could make a case for Damascus, Arundel and Kent Island being pretenders or "bottom feeders" for losing early in the playoffs, as well as for Saint Frances based on level of competition.

[Oil Can]

westminster lost to QO

[eaglesinsider]

Going back even further, lets look at the teams undefeated halfway through the season:

1A: Perryville (5-0)- finished 12-1, lost to New Town in state semis

2A:
McDonough (5-0)- finished 9-2, lost to Gwynn Park in regional semis
Elkton (5-0)- finished 11-2, lost to Middletown in state semis
Walkersville (5-0)- finished 10-2, lost to Middletown in regional final
Fallston (5-0)- finished 7-3, missed playoffs
Middletown (5-0)- now 13-0, playing in state championship
Edmonson (5-0)- finished 11-2, lost to Douglass (PG) in state semis
Queen Anne's County (5-0)- finished 9-2, lost to Elkton in regional semis
Kent Island (5-0)- finished 11-1, lost to Elkton in regional final
Wicomico (5-0)- finished 8-3, lost to Kent Island in regional semis
Patuxent (5-0)- finished 8-3, lost to Douglass (PG) in regional semis

3A:
South Hagerstown (5-0)- finished 8-2, missed playoffs
Milford Mill (5-0)- finished 11-2, lost to Huntingtown in state semis
Damascus (5-0)- finished 10-1, lost to Urbana in regional semis
Huntingtown (5-0)- now 12-1, playing in state championship
Mount Hebron (5-0)- finished 6-5, lost to River Hill in regional semis
Seneca Valley (5-0)- finished 10-2, lost to Urbana in regional final
River Hill (5-0)- now 13-0, playing in state championship

4A:
Wise (5-0)- now 13-0, playing in state championship
Westminster (5-0)- finished 12-1, lost to Quince Orchard in state semis
Suitland (5-0)- finished 10-2, lost to Wise in regional final
Arundel (5-0)- finished 10-1, lost to Meade in regional semis
Old Mill (5-0)- finished 9-3, lost to Meade in regional final

MIAA B:
John Carroll (5-0)- finished 9-3, lost to St. Paul's in MIAA B Championship
St. Paul's (4-0)- finished 11-0, won MIAA B Championship

MIAA C: St. Frances (4-0)- finished 11-0, won MIAA C Championship

Independent Private Schools: Bishop Walsh (5-0)- finished 9-1

IAC (MD Schools Only): Bullis (4-0)- finished 8-2

WCAC (MD Schools Only): DeMatha (5-0)-finished 9-3, lost to Good Counsel in WCAC Championship

Here's how the undefeated teams halfway through the season did in the playoffs, by classification
1A: 1 State Semi-Final Appearance
2A:
- 1 Missed Playoffs
- 4 Lost in Regional Semi-Finals
- 2 Lost in Regional Final
- 2 Lost in State Semi-Finals
- 1 Playing in State Championship Game
3A:
- 1 Missed Playoffs
- 2 Lost in Regional Semi-Finals
- 1 Lost in Regional Final
- 1 Lost in State Semi-Finals
- 2 Playing in State Championship Game
4A:
- 1 Lost in Regional Semi-Finals
- 2 Lost in Regional Final
- 1 Lost in State Semi-Finals
- 1 Playing in State Championship Game
MIAA B:
- 1 Lost in MIAA B Conference Championship Game
- 1 Won MIAA B Conference Championship Game
MIAA C: 1 Won MIAA C Conference Championship Game
WCAC: 1 Lost in WCAC Championship Game

[AllSkill]

The "bottom feeder" that thinks they should be a the top of the mountain is Perryville. Regardless if they are in the 1A or not, they are playing teams in the lower division in the UCBAC. Their win-loss record of opposing teams was 40 and 60. No wonder you go undefeated playing teams like Harford Tech and Rising Sun.

The Panther's 2013 season will be an eye opener when they move up to the top division of the UCBAC and have to play Fallston, CMW, North Harford.

[85Knight]

You can only have one undefeated team at the end of the season in each classification and we have one playing in 3 out of the 4 championships and the 4th lost by 1 pt. in the semis.

I really don't see what the big deal is. Who can argue that Middletown, River Hill and Wise aren't good teams? And on top of that Dunbar's only lost was to Calvert Hall. I'm not getting the point here.

[pmore108]

The "bottom feeder" that thinks they should be a the top of the mountain is Perryville. Regardless if they are in the 1A or not, they are playing teams in the lower division in the UCBAC. Their win-loss record of opposing teams was 40 and 60. No wonder you go undefeated playing teams like Harford Tech and Rising Sun.

The Panther's 2013 season will be an eye opener when they move up to the top division of the UCBAC and have to play Fallston, CMW, North Harford.

Yea, the whole UCBAC thing is annoying because to me the true crime in the 2A playoffs was that Fallston didn't get to go and Elkton did. Elkton had two truly challenging games all year: Perryville and Patterson Mill. Meanwhile Fallston played CMW, North harford, Aberdeen. Their common opponent was bel air who they both beat in close games and Aberdeen who Fallston lost to because they essentially had nothing to play for (last game of year, playoffs pretty much determined) and Elkton beat by one point. Having seen these two play I believe fallston wins head to head. It's just frustrating that they couldn't settle it on the field and figure it out.

[First_Down]

In any given playoff system, a team or teams are going to be left out. That's life. Fallston will just have to do better ON THE FIELD themselves next year and get in.

[First_Down]

You can only have one undefeated team at the end of the season in each classification and we have one playing in 3 out of the 4 championships and the 4th lost by 1 pt. in the semis.

I really don't see what the big deal is. Who can argue that Middletown, River Hill and Wise aren't good teams? And on top of that Dunbar's only lost was to Calvert Hall. I'm not getting the point here.

And Douglass is a one loss team who avenged that regular season loss by defeating the team in playoffs who beat them during the regular season. All the teams in the finals deserve to be where they are. I have no issue with any of them.

[pmore108]

In any given playoff system, a team or teams are going to be left out. That's life. Fallston will just have to do better ON THE FIELD themselves next year and get in.

I hear what you are saying but a fair(er) system would be to have the two teams play each other! Instead of having some convuluted UCBAC where 2A-3A-1A teams all play each other with no thought to how it affects the playoffs, make all 2A teams play each other, all 1A, etc. Then it is decided on the field. Just my take on it.

[A Mom]

Both Fallston and Patterson Mill lost in the first round of playoffs last year. That would make them bottom feeders! You can't have it both ways. Perryville dominated Aberdeen this year, how is that bottom feeding? Nor did they lose first round of the playoffs. Elkton beat Bel Air, Edgewood and Aberdeen, all 3A schools and were region champs! Meanwhile, Fallston fed off of Northeast, Rising Sun, Havre de Grace, and Joppatowne! Only Northeast had a 500 season the rest, had losing records.

[AllSkill]

Both Fallston and Patterson Mill lost in the first round of playoffs last year. That would make them bottom feeders! You can't have it both ways. Perryville dominated Aberdeen this year, how is that bottom feeding? Nor did they lose first round of the playoffs. Elkton beat Bel Air, Edgewood and Aberdeen, all 3A schools and were region champs! Meanwhile, Fallston fed off of Northeast, Rising Sun, Havre de Grace, and Joppatowne! Only Northeast had a 500 season the rest, had losing records.

Aberdeen was a 5-5 team this year, they lost most of their talent to graduation last year QB, 2 WR, and linemen.

NH and CMW also played Rising Sun, HDG, and Joppatowne, so I guess your calling them bottom feeders too. I would like to congratulate Elkton on a good year and going to the Upper division to find games.

The UCBAC is terrible for Harford County teams and the teams in the Upper Division because there are teams in the lower division that won't play teams in the Upper division because they are "too good", even though they are in the same classification. You won't get better playing teams that you know you are better than.

So teams that want to make an attempt at the playoffs need to try to play NH (top team in Harford), Fallston (use their athletes), Aberdeen (Brooks puts teams together), CMW (will be good for next few years), or Elkton (new coach is doing a good job).

[pmore108]

Both Fallston and Patterson Mill lost in the first round of playoffs last year. That would make them bottom feeders! You can't have it both ways. Perryville dominated Aberdeen this year, how is that bottom feeding? Nor did they lose first round of the playoffs. Elkton beat Bel Air, Edgewood and Aberdeen, all 3A schools and were region champs! Meanwhile, Fallston fed off of Northeast, Rising Sun, Havre de Grace, and Joppatowne! Only Northeast had a 500 season the rest, had losing records.

losing in the first round of the playoffs doesn't make you a bottom feeder it makes you a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs. My point is that a situation like the UCBAC hurts the teams because you have teams in the same classification (1A, 2A) who don't play each other despite being 5-10 miles apart. Additionally, the second best team in the UCBAC was Perryville who both Elkton and Pmill played but not North Harford or Fallston. The second point I was making was that if you 'forced' the 1A, 2A, 3A teams to at least play all their opponents in their classification to determine who gets a playoff spot, it is a better gauge of who deserves it. If you do this, you open up the possibility of Perryville playing North Harford or Fallston because it doesn't hurt either team to do so. The current system discourages strong out of 'conference' games because of the point system.

I don't like using the common opponents thing to determine who would win a game between teams that don't play. It can be troublesome because so much changes throughout a year and rivalry games can often go either way, particularly in high school.

[owlsfootball76]

westminster lost to QO

yes but the score was 19-21 and we missed the field goal by a few feet, how can you call us a bottom feeder when that team we lost to held wise to 12 points in the 4a state finals.

[jtowne-swim]

The "bottom feeder" that thinks they should be a the top of the mountain is Perryville. Regardless if they are in the 1A or not, they are playing teams in the lower division in the UCBAC. Their win-loss record of opposing teams was 40 and 60. No wonder you go undefeated playing teams like Harford Tech and Rising Sun.

The Panther's 2013 season will be an eye opener when they move up to the top division of the UCBAC and have to play Fallston, CMW, North Harford.

Was Perryville not the Regional Champ?????

[AllSkill]

Was Perryville not the Regional Champ?????

Look who was in their region: Cambridge 7-3, Snow Hill 6-4, and Bo Manor 5-5. Not the highest quality football. I'm just saying that they have been getting by playing the teams in the lower division of the UCBAC. My prediction is that they will not do as well as the past 2 years because of the harder schedule next year.