Bigfoot/Sasquatch Proven A Human Hybrid Via DNA Study

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

Many of these eye witnesses have issued sworn statements, passed polygraphs and been placed under hypnosis and describe what they saw in tremendous detail.

And the only thing this proves is that the "eye witnesses" believe what they think they saw. None of these tests establishes the actual veracity of their claims.

My God you are gullible!

[pepper]

I have never seen it but reportedly it looks similar to human feces only much larger in quantity. Sort of makes sense if you are open to the possibility of the existence of a sasquatch. I don't quite get your hostility over this subject.

"I have never seen it but reportedly it looks similar to human feces only much larger in quantity."

I have an odd sense of humor but thats probably, and inadvertently, the funniest comment I've read on these forums..

As for the hositilty, it's more likely frustration. On this sort of issue, theres typically the folks that are wide eyed prey to the musicmen, and those that just can't understand how people are so easily convinced.

You should certainly enjoy your interest, but don't take offense when people rip you for taking it so seriously. Thats the bane of UFO, ghost and Bigfoot fans. And yes, you guys are rightly lumped together.

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And the only thing this proves is that the "eye witnesses" believe what they think they saw. None of these tests establishes the actual veracity of their claims.

My God you are gullible!

How so? I am citing that as one of many aspects that lead me to believe that a bigfoot entity exists. Again, I asked you to snow me the data base where there are thousands of mermaid sitings (dates, times, locations) reported and you cannot. Also where is there any physical evidence of mermaids as there is for bigfoot in the form of plaster casts of tracks, hair samples, the PG and Freeman films (and many, many others) as well as hand prints, one body cast (Skookum cast) along with those thousands of sitings. To lump the body of evidence for a sasquatch in with a mermaid or loch ness monster or even ufo's is wrong. There is no similar body of evidence that compares and NO data base to my knowledge either put up or shut up when making these claims.

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"I have never seen it but reportedly it looks similar to human feces only much larger in quantity."

I have an odd sense of humor but thats probably, and inadvertently, the funniest comment I've read on these forums..

As for the hositilty, it's more likely frustration. On this sort of issue, theres typically the folks that are wide eyed prey to the musicmen, and those that just can't understand how people are so easily convinced.

You should certainly enjoy your interest, but don't take offense when people rip you for taking it so seriously. Thats the bane of UFO, ghost and Bigfoot fans. And yes, you guys are rightly lumped together.

Lumping bigfoot in with UFO's and ghosts is simply apples and oranges. There is no where near the data base of sitings and physical evidence of either of those things as there is for bigfoot. If so, I am unaware. There are videos, hundreds of castings of tracks, hair samples, hand prints, etc for bigfoot along with the sitings and now apparently DNA evidence. Where is there DNA evidence of ghosts or UFO's?

[Rael]

Lumping bigfoot in with UFO's and ghosts is simply apples and oranges. There is no where near the data base of sitings and physical evidence of either of those things as there is for bigfoot. If so, I am unaware. There are videos, hundreds of castings of tracks, hair samples, hand prints, etc for bigfoot along with the sitings and now apparently DNA evidence. Where is there DNA evidence of ghosts or UFO's?

Sorry but what I hear is "My invisible bogeyman is bigger than your invisible bogeyman".

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Sorry but what I hear is "My invisible bogeyman is bigger than your invisible bogeyman".

I certainly would not be so closed minded as to rule out ghosts. I know people who have seen them. They just don't interest me that much, even if they exist. I really don't care if they exist. Same with UFO's. I saw one once, for an instant going around Mock I speed and flying so low I don't see how it missed trees and telephone lines, but they simply don't interest me that much. There was another person with me who also saw it or I would have thought I was seeing things. I believe they could be from another dimension, same as ghosts. However, they just don't interest me.

However, bigfoot are in the here and now, yet have been around for thousands of years which is why they intrigue me so much. Plus, i find it illogical that all the reported sitings and casts of tracks are the result of lies and hoaxes. It makes no sense. I mean who would go to all the trouble to fake dermal ridges for a cast and then drive hundreds of miles and years later, fake the same prints in the middle of nowhere? You would have to accept this as well as the PG film as being the work of hoaxers, the likes that have never been seen before or since in human history!!!

[pepper]

I certainly would not be so closed minded as to rule out ghosts. I know people who have seen them. They just don't interest me that much even if they exist. Same with UFO's. I saw one once, for an instant going around Mock I speed and flying so low I don't see how it missed trees and telephone lines but they don't interest me that much. There was another person with me who also saw it or I would have thought I was seeing things. I believe they could be from another dimension, same as ghosts. However bigfoot are in the here and now, yet have been around for thousands of years which is why the intrigue me.

Don't be surprised if you are "mocked" for your interests. That goes with the territory.

You believe in ghosts and UFO's but that doesn't interest you? after all, you know people that have seen ghosts, and you have seen a UFO yourself, so it seems those things would carry as much weight with you as Bigfoot, which you have not seen, and are only aware of through second hand accounts..

To your credit, you have a great imagination.

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

Again, I asked you to snow me the data base where there are thousands of mermaid sitings (dates, times, locations) reported and you cannot.

And again, the only data contained in such a database is the CLAIM of a date, time, and location. Anybody can CLAIM anything they want - that doesn't make their claim a FACT. Which makes the database totally worthless for proving the existence of Bigfoot.

Also where is there any physical evidence of mermaids as there is for bigfoot in the form of plaster casts of tracks, hair samples, the PG and Freeman films (and many, many others) as well as hand prints, one body cast (Skookum cast) along with those thousands of sitings.

These samples are alleged to be from Bigfoot. No independent scientific corroboration exists for these allegations. Just like there is no independant corroboration for mermaids and UFOs. Is any of this sinking in yet?

To lump the body of evidence for a sasquatch in with a mermaid or loch ness monster or even ufo's is wrong. There is no similar body of evidence that compares and NO data base to my knowledge either put up or shut up when making these claims.

You still don't get it, do you? What you believe to be "evidence" is merely a collection of unverifiable, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated claims - nothing more.

Meanwhile, the facts of established science suggest that the existence of Bigfoot is about as likely as the possibility that the oft-fabled horde of winged monkeys will come flying out of Miss America's butt on live national television.

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Don't be surprised if you are "mocked" for your interests. That goes with the territory.

You believe in ghosts and UFO's but that doesn't interest you? after all, you know people that have seen ghosts, and you have seen a UFO yourself, so it seems those things would carry as much weight with you as Bigfoot, which you have not seen, and are only aware of through second hand accounts..

To your credit, you have a great imagination.

In about a month I will be 58 years of age. Do you think I care about being mocked for my interests? What I find mildly amusing is why some folks get so upset when others have an interest and belief in these subjects. Nobody can rule them out simply because they don't have a first hand experience with something. Again, I saw a UFO and know what I saw was something I have never seen before or since that defied the laws of what is known. So what do I care if anyone else doesn't believe or mocks me. I find it kind of funny, as they really don't have a clue if they think they know everything they think they do.

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And again, the only data contained in such a database is the CLAIM of a date, time, and location. Anybody can CLAIM anything they want - that doesn't make their claim a FACT. Which makes the database totally worthless for proving the existence of Bigfoot.



These samples are alleged to be from Bigfoot. No independent scientific corroboration exists for these allegations. Just like there is no independant corroboration for mermaids and UFOs. Is any of this sinking in yet?



You still don't get it, do you? What you believe to be "evidence" is merely a collection of unverifiable, uncorroborated, unsubstantiated claims - nothing more.

Meanwhile, the facts of established science suggest that the existence of Bigfoot is about as likely as the possibility that the oft-fabled horde of winged monkeys will come flying out of Miss America's butt on live national television.

Again, where is the extensive data base of mermaids and winged monkeys etc. you wrongfully use to refute the existence of bigfoot??? Apparently they exist only in your mind, whereas I can prove the Bigfoot data base exists! So you may claim every single report is a hoax but you cannot prove any of them are hoaxes, and you fail to even acknowledge that if even ONE of a thousand reports or casts, or hair samples or videos is legit, then so is BigFOOT~! Apparently, this must be very unsettling to you as you cannot logically explain this away very easily can you???

Eyewitness testimony may often be unreliable but is a fact that it is admissible in a court of law, so you cannot simply summarily dismiss THOUSANDS of eyewitness reports as all being fabrications, along with the castings of tracks, hair samples, and other physical evidence, PG Film, and casts, Freeman film and casts, the Sierra Sounds recording, and many others (some of which I do acknowledge are bogus). Well, on second thought I guess you can dismiss all of this if you ignore the odds of something being hoaxed better and more often than any other single subject that is known and by thousands of hoaxers!

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

I saw a UFO and know what I saw was something I have never seen before or since that defied the laws of what is known.

Not to put too fine a point on this, Spanky, but how exactly would you know anything about what "defies the laws of what is known" about flying objects? You can't even spell "Mach" correctly.

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Not to put too fine a point on this, Spanky, but how exactly would you know anything about what "defies the laws of what is known" about flying objects? You can't even spell "Mach" correctly.

Well mr. know-it-all know nothing genius, have you ever seen something flying less than 100 feet above you flashing red, blue, white lights and going by in less than a second and somehow not crashing into trees or power lines? If you haven't then STFU and go back to watching your cartoon shown in your silly avatar, that you probably asked your mommy to approve for you as you occupied her basement.

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

Well self proclaimed know-it-all know nothing genius, have you ever seen something flying less than 100 feet above you flashing red, blue, white lights and going by in less than a second and somehow not crashing into trees or power lines? If you haven't then STFU and go back to watching your cartoon shown in your silly avatar.

And how exactly did you determine that the altitude was "less than 100 feet" and that it was traveling "faster than Mock [sic] 1?"

Most civilians are completely unable to determine speed and altitude with any degree of accuracy. Indeed, their claims are often wildly inaccurate. That is established fact. I am sure you believe these claims are true even though you have no logical way of knowing if they are true.

Putting your "observation" into a database does not make it any more true. Subjecting you to a polygraph or hypnosis will not somehow make it any more true. And if you trip over an oddly shaped piece of aluminum and claim that it fell off the UFO that doesn't make it true either.

And if you can't see how the above directly relates to the original subject of this discussion, well, then there is really no hope for you.

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And how exactly did you determine that the altitude was "less than 100 feet" and that it was traveling "faster than Mock [sic] 1?"

Most civilians are completely unable to determine speed and altitude with any degree of accuracy. Indeed, their claims are often wildly inaccurate. That is established fact. I am sure you believe these claims are true even though you have no logical way of knowing if they are true.

Putting your "observation" into a database does not make it any more true. Subjecting you to a polygraph or hypnosis will not somehow make it any more true. And if you trip over an oddly shaped piece of aluminum and claim that it fell off the UFO that doesn't make it true either.

And if you can't see how the above directly relates to the original subject of this discussion, well, then there is really no hope for you.

Well, the person who was with me and also saw it was in the Air Force and he is the one who made that particular comment about the speed. Since I am not that familar with the speed of flying objects I cannot say if his use of that term was accurate or not. However, I can say that I was driving my car at approximately 50 mph when this object silently went past at a speed I have nothing to relate. It literally went past in slightly more than a blink of an eye. I know if was about 11-11:30 P.M. or possibly somewhat later.

It was barely above the tops of power lines and trees which is why I guessed it was flying less than 100 feet. That is about all I can say, other than I have never seen anything like that before or since, nor has my friend. it went by so fast I cannot even say the shape of it but it wasn't all that big - about the size of a compact car like a Triumph or MG or slightly smaller. It had multiple color flashing lights, but the most astonishing thing was the speed and how near to the ground it was traveling.

This siting occurred over 35 years ago and my friend and I still talk about it when we see each other at class reunions. Neither of us has any idea to this day what we saw. He asked me if I had seen it as it was so unreal, we both agreed had we seen it alone we would have thought we were hallucinating.

It was something I will take to my grave not knowing but it really doesn't bother me as much that I don't know what I saw. If I could I wish I could trade that experience for seeing an actual Bigfoot/Sasquatch.

[OldBay]

You'd think that a yee haw hillbilly from Rocky Top like me would be on a first name basis with any bigfeets.

Excellent point. After this past season of what passed for Rocky Top football "coaching", you would have desired a replacement for Derek "fire me now" Dooley with better instincts. With the speed and evasive instincts attributed to a Bigfoot in this thread, you would have to assume that a Bigfoot, in addition to possessing a huge edge in recruiting other Bigfeet, would have been far too alert and aware of his surroundings to have allowed the clock to run out in a tie game with 44 seconds left near mid-field with the ball in your QB hands who already had thrown for 400+ yds. If Bigfoot really exists, hundreds of thousands of Rocky Top football fans would have been chanting for one to take over for Dooley. I was there and heard no fans call for a Bigfoot to take over the team. Until I read your post, I hadn't considered that we lost because we lacked a Bigfoot on the sidelines in orange pants.

[OldBay]

Well, the person who was with me and also saw it was in the Air Force and he is the one who made that particular comment about the speed. Since I am not that familar with the speed of flying objects I cannot say if his use of that term was accurate or not. However, I can say that I was driving my car at approximately 50 mph when this object silently went past at a speed I have nothing to relate. It literally went past in slightly more than a blink of an eye.

It was barely above the tops of power lines and trees which is why I guessed it was flying less than 100 feet. That is about all I can say, other than I have never seen anything like this before or since, nor has my friend. it went by so fast I cannot even say the shape of it but it wasn't all that big - about the size of a compact car like a Triumph or MG or slightly smaller. It had multiple color flashing lights, but the most astonishing thing was the speed and how near to the ground it was traveling.

This siting occurred over 35 years ago and my friend and I still talk about it when we see each other at class reunions. Neither of us has any idea to this day what we saw.

Sigh...it does sound like you two were smoking some good stuff. Did either of you get "probed"?

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Sigh...it does sound like you two were smoking some good stuff. Did either of you get "probed"?

Nope. It went by so fast we barely saw it. The lights flashing is what caught our attention as it was night. The thing was actually traveling along the path of a highway that intersected the one we were on. We saw it right at a crossroads. We both independently saw it at the same time. We had been out late but not smoking anything. I wish we had been after see it go by at that speed. It could have been some sort of unmanned craft for all we know as it didn't seem all that big.

[kudzu]

It probably is for a 10 year old. BTW The Princess Bride was one of my Daughter's favorite movies when she was in second grade along with Charlotte's Web. So your Avatar speaks volumes as to your maturity level son.

Your daughter never mentioned me, eh ?

[pepper]

Well mr. know-it-all know nothing genius, have you ever seen something flying less than 100 feet above you flashing red, blue, white lights and going by in less than a second and somehow not crashing into trees or power lines? If you haven't then STFU and go back to watching your cartoon shown in your silly avatar, that you probably asked your mommy to approve for you as you occupied her basement.

Geezz, chill on the avatars. Calvin and Hobbes is cool, and the Princess Bride is a fun movie. You're being distracted..

Theres some sort of "law" that Mr. know it all-know nothing could reference for me, I think Spock once alluded to it, that says the most obvious answer is more likely.

In other words, if you see something in the sky you can't identify, YOU automatically think it's likely an alien, rather than considering that it might be something man-made, as in experimental aircraft, or just something YOU are not familiar with.

It's like the folks that think it's the ghost of Aunt Ester when a door slams or the TV goes on or off by itself. The more likely explanation is not ghosts, but what fun is that, right?

[kudzu]

Geezz, chill on the avatars. Calvin and Hobbes is cool, and the Princess Bride is a fun movie. You're being distracted..

Theres some sort of "law" that Mr. know it all-know nothing could reference for me, I think Spock once alluded to it, that says the most obvious answer is more likely.

In other words, if you see something in the sky you can't identify, YOU automatically think it's likely an alien, rather than considering that it might be something man-made, as in experimental aircraft, or just something YOU are not familiar with.

It's like the folks that think it's the ghost of Aunt Ester when a door slams or the TV goes on or off by itself. The more likely explanation is not ghosts, but what fun is that, right?

Occam's razor. Been around for centuries.

Don't expect our old19Raven'let'swhatever to comprehend this, though.