Another Trayvon Martin?

[naive]

Was the deceased mentioned in the original post a member of any gang?

And have the toxicology reports come back yet?

Looks like the shooter was all hopped up on Boonsfarm or something..

"Dunn's girlfriend, who was in the store buying wine at the time, returned to the car having heard a "popping" sound, and the two bolted from the scene."

[music_man]

What about blacks that kill other blacks at the funeral of a black gang member killed by other black gang members?

Talk about something that is hard to understand!

Anyone being killed by another person is just beyond belief. It's just a shame that people kill one another, no matter the color of their skin.

[yuca]

Let's assume for a moment that what he says is true about what he heard. How does that then make it OK for him to take his unloaded gun out of its secure place, load it, and then open fire on the other vehicle rather than just drive away?

If he honestly felt threatened, then it's up for the courts to decide if it's OK. I suspect that he became angry, lost his temper, and started shooting.

The main problem I have is that this guy simply drove away after shooting at the other vehicle. Even if the shooting was somehow "justifiable" he should have stuck around. If he really did see a shotgun, he could have stayed to ensure that the shotgun didn't mysteriously "disappear" before the police arrived. I doubt there really was a shotgun, though.

The facts, as I currently understand them, in no way support SYG. The guy initiated the confrontation, started shooting, then fled. That's simply unacceptable.

[sushilover]

Is it a fact that the deceased and the others in the deceased’s company were, in fact, violent gang members?

Is it a fact that the deceased was, in fact, under the influence of dangerous drugs like PCP?

Is it a fact that the deceased posted violent, angry innuendo and threats on his Facebook page or Twitter account?

Is it a fact that the deceased was, in fact, attempting to carjack Mr. Dunn?

You really don’t know any of the facts, isn’t that so?

So why are you blindly following the bitter, racist talking points provided by a leftwing hate site like “thinkprogress.org”?

Is that what your incompetent homeboy, Barry Obama, has, in fact, trained you to do?

[sigmalady]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...c-michael-dunn

It really is a tragedy when a child is killed by an adult over loud music and words.

[bmorepunk]

2 hits in 8 or 9 rounds from 3 feet? That guy should NOT be allowed to own weapons.

That's a very common percentage at that distance with people firing under stress.

[bmorepunk]

If he honestly felt threatened, then it's up for the courts to decide if it's OK. I suspect that he became angry, lost his temper, and started shooting.

The main problem I have is that this guy simply drove away after shooting at the other vehicle. Even if the shooting was somehow "justifiable" he should have stuck around. If he really did see a shotgun, he could have stayed to ensure that the shotgun didn't mysteriously "disappear" before the police arrived. I doubt there really was a shotgun, though.

The facts, as I currently understand them, in no way support SYG. The guy initiated the confrontation, started shooting, then fled. That's simply unacceptable.

SYG can apply if the evidence presented in the court the right way lines up in this case. It's been applied so unevenly in Florida; the judge could declare the guy immune and drop the case without further recourse or he could be acquitted under the same law.

One thing that is bothersome about this is that his lawyer stated that his firearm was in his glove box without a round in the chamber. If he was threatened with a weapon (or even without) the time it takes to get that weapon out of the the glove box, chambered, and on target is huge considering he could have just driven away. His best chance in the face of a shotgun would to have been a target moving away, not a stationary target trying to get a weapon ready.

Both this guy and Zimmerman are idiots by their own admission. This guy could have avoided a deadly confrontation by not getting involved or just leaving. Zimmerman initiated contact with an individual he supposedly felt was dangerous when he could have remained in his vehicle. Regardless of whether their actions are considered criminal or not, they were stupid. Hubris and pride are dangerous and I don't consider people that take risks because they are armed to be responsible firearm owners.

The best gunfight to survive is the one you avoid.

[BlandFood]

That's a very common percentage at that distance with people firing under stress.

Not sure how common it is but it shows he was very inefficient.

[bmorepunk]

Depending on what numbers you look at, shots fired by police officers at less than three yards tend to average at about half to two thirds of rounds missing. Trying to fire from a vehicle driver side on a perpendicular target is unnatural, and if you're all jacked up on adrenaline it definitely affects your ability to accurately place rounds. Also, rounds passing through a car window or body won't pass straight through and track off.

[banner1124]

What about blacks that kill other blacks at the funeral of a black gang member killed by other black gang members?

Talk about something that is hard to understand!

Gang violence, especially today's inner city gang violence, actually isn't all that hard to understand for those of us who aren't stupid. Which is why I guess you have such a hard time with it.

[Wizard777]

Link.

I can't believe this guy is using the "Stand Your Ground" defense. Dunn deserves to be behind bars for the rest of his life.

If it were not for the adverse and even dire impact upon Humanity. I would favor Stand Your Ground over Gun Control. No we're not going to take your gun away. The first time you misuse the damned thing we're going to take YOU away and we're going to put you somewhere you will never be seen or heard from again. But when you consider that you would have to lose one member of the human family to remove one moron from society forever. The cost is too great. But I do have to admit that it would be extremely gratifying to tell one of the people that believe the Second Amendment is a murder/suicide pact. Your gun can stay, but YOU'RE going to leave and never comeback.

[BlandFood]

Depending on what numbers you look at, shots fired by police officers at less than three yards tend to average at about half to two thirds of rounds missing. Trying to fire from a vehicle driver side on a perpendicular target is unnatural, and if you're all jacked up on adrenaline it definitely affects your ability to accurately place rounds. Also, rounds passing through a car window or body won't pass straight through and track off.

Once proven innocent and awarded citizen of the year he needs some serious range time.

[dialtone]

Once proven innocent and awarded citizen of the year he needs some serious range time.

Awwww, isnt that special. ...

[elj1201]

OP next time lets include the part where the guy was arrested and charged maybe

[ms maggie]

OP next time lets include the part where the guy was arrested and charged maybe

Report just on news. No guns were found in the victim's car. Big surprise. Sounds like a real winner this guy. And who the hell buys wine in a con venience store!!!

[skeemer]

Report just on news. No guns were found in the victim's car. Big surprise. Sounds like a real winner this guy. And who the hell buys wine in a con venience store!!!

College kids, and white trash. Which are often times one and the same (including yours truly, once upon a time )

[Gopher]

he was arrested on a Duval County warrant on charges of murder and attempted murder.

Police arrested him the next day in Brevard County, which is about 170 miles away from Jacksonville.

Apparently his tag number did him in. Seems like law enforcement turned this one around pretty quickly.

Sounds like his attorney is going to argue self-defense. Might work. Might not. In the end, it's his choice. We are still allowed to do that in this country regardless of the race of the victim.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...een-gate-store

[ms maggie]

College kids, and white trash. Which are often times one and the same (including yours truly, once upon a time )

LOL. Apparently the girlfriend had gone into the store while this clown waited in the car.


PSA: girls, you ever find yourself in this position, where you are buying wine in a convenience store while your lardass boyfriend waits in the car--time for a serious reassessment of yr life plan!

[Joy in Mudville]

Texas and Florida should merge, call themselves Texorida and secede with everyones blessing.

Let's keep Austin!

[BlandFood]

LOL. Apparently the girlfriend had gone into the store while this clown waited in the car.


PSA: girls, you ever find yourself in this position, where you are buying wine in a convenience store while your lardass boyfriend waits in the car--time for a serious reassessment of yr life plan!

Maybe he wanted to change the nasty stuff in his bong? I doubt any of the hop heads here use Dom Perignon.