Another Trayvon Martin?

[bmorepunk]

OP next time lets include the part where the guy was arrested and charged maybe

That is important, although if he can get his lawyer to work SYG properly he can get immunity from trial from the judge. If there is no physical evidence or independent witness who says they saw a shotgun it's going to be hard to argue a reasonable fear if they're both inside vehicles.

[Baltimatt]

If he honestly felt threatened, then it's up for the courts to decide if it's OK. I suspect that he became angry, lost his temper, and started shooting.

The main problem I have is that this guy simply drove away after shooting at the other vehicle. Even if the shooting was somehow "justifiable" he should have stuck around. If he really did see a shotgun, he could have stayed to ensure that the shotgun didn't mysteriously "disappear" before the police arrived. I doubt there really was a shotgun, though.

The facts, as I currently understand them, in no way support SYG. The guy initiated the confrontation, started shooting, then fled. That's simply unacceptable.

Yuca--

I can understand driving away if he thought they were armed and still in a position to harm him. But apparently he never called the police. Even if he thought the shooting was justified, there is no excuse not to report the incident to the police.

[Brohan]

Let's keep Austin!

They can relocate all the hipster dbags from Austin to Brooklyn...if there is any room left.

[bmorepunk]

Yuca--

I can understand driving away if he thought they were armed and still in a position to harm him. But apparently he never called the police. Even if he thought the shooting was justified, there is no excuse not to report the incident to the police.

It's completely acceptable. The Greyston Garcia case had Garcia stab a guy to death, then he went home and went to sleep. He never contacted police and when they contacted him initially denied involvement until the police showed him video footage. There is apparently no duty to contact police if you are deemed to have applied deadly force under Florida's version of "Stand Your Ground".

Garcia is the guy who chased down the dude who stole his car stereo. When the thief swung the four to six pound bag of car radios, it was deemed a deadly weapon in the case so Garcia was in the clear to stab the dude to death under Stand Your Ground.

Garcia was recently involved in a gang shooting crossfire in which he was shot as an apparent bystander.

[Baltimatt]

bmorepunk--

Wow, that's bizarre in my mind.

[bmorepunk]

Garcia also hid the knife and took the car stereos (including the ones that weren't his).

Another weird case involved a gang fight in front of an apartment complex. A 15-year old gang member was killed in the fight. Three people were charged with manslaughter: the guy that brought him to the fight and two guys shooting at them in the opposing gang. Since it was determined that the 15-year old's side fired the first shot, the judge granted the two rival gang members immunity. The guy who brought the kid to the fight plead out.

[ivanbalt]

LOL. Apparently the girlfriend had gone into the store while this clown waited in the car.


PSA: girls, you ever find yourself in this position, where you are buying wine in a convenience store while your lardass boyfriend waits in the car--time for a serious reassessment of yr life plan!

What's wrong with a bottle of MD 20/20 from the local corner store? I think that is considered wine/poison.

[yuca]

Yuca--

I can understand driving away if he thought they were armed and still in a position to harm him. But apparently he never called the police. Even if he thought the shooting was justified, there is no excuse not to report the incident to the police.

That's really the point I was trying to make. He should have stuck around until the police arrived. Or, if it wasn't safe, he could have driven to the closest other public place or even a police station. What he ended up doing makes no sense.

Some of my friends on FB have been sharing this story on Facebook, likening it to the Martin case. The two cases have basic similarities, but the differences are huge. I doubt we'll be hearing threats of rioting over this one. If he gets off on a SYG defense, I'm sure there will be though.

[veritas]

Another Trayvon Martin? No, don't think so. I read nothing about this guy's head being bashed into the sidewalk. The two cases are not remotely similar except to some people needing to race bait.

[ms maggie]

Saw stuff about this on the news this morning.

This guy claims he saw a gun pointed at him. He likewise claims his gun was in his glove compartment, not loaded. You see a gun pointed at you, do you take the time to reach into the glove compartment, load the gun and shoot?

And why did he approach these kids in the first place? People playing music too loudly in your neighborhood is one thing. In a convenience store parking lot? Guess when you're low on Boone's Farm, your nerves are on edge. Unbelievable.

[ms maggie]

Another Trayvon Martin? No, don't think so. I read nothing about this guy's head being bashed into the sidewalk. The two cases are not remotely similar except to some people needing to race bait.

Zimmerman claims his head was bashed into the sidewalk.

He was not taken to the hospital, nor did he appear to have injuries in the video taken at the police station. The photo of what is said to be his head with blood on it was provided later by a supposed witness, not a police photo. Odd the police missed that.

[veritas]

Zimmerman claims his head was bashed into the sidewalk.

He was not taken to the hospital, nor did he appear to have injuries in the video taken at the police station. The photo of what is said to be his head with blood on it was provided later by a supposed witness, not a police photo. Odd the police missed that.

There's also an eyewitness to the Zimmerman-Martin struggle on the ground and that will come out at trial. As I said, there's no similarity in these two cases.

[ms maggie]

There's also an eyewitness to the Zimmerman-Martin struggle on the ground and that will come out at trial. As I said, there's no similarity in these two cases.

There is at least one similiarity. Unarmed dead kid and armed adult who initiated contact and then thought he was being "threatened".

[musicmd]

Another Trayvon Martin? No, don't think so. I read nothing about this guy's head being bashed into the sidewalk. The two cases are not remotely similar except to some people needing to race bait.

Really, who saw Zimmerman's head being bashed? Let me smashed your head for a minute on concrete, and find out if you are still able to shoot. Check out the police videos from the night of the incident.

[musicmd]

Zimmerman claims his head was bashed into the sidewalk.

He was not taken to the hospital, nor did he appear to have injuries in the video taken at the police station. The photo of what is said to be his head with blood on it was provided later by a supposed witness, not a police photo. Odd the police missed that.

Photo shop works well.

[Calamari]

Report just on news. No guns were found in the victim's car. Big surprise. Sounds like a real winner this guy. And who the hell buys wine in a con venience store!!!

There might have been skittles in the victim's car though. You never know!

[musicmd]

There might have been skittles in the victim's car though. You never know!

You forgot the ice tea.

[veritas]

Really, who saw Zimmerman's head being bashed? Let me smashed your head for a minute on concrete, and find out if you are still able to shoot. Check out the police videos from the night of the incident.

This is why we have trials.

[musicmd]

This is why we have trials.

You made the Statement about head bashing. What does a trial has to do with comparing cases. Try staying on topic.

[yuca]

There's also an eyewitness to the Zimmerman-Martin struggle on the ground and that will come out at trial. As I said, there's no similarity in these two cases.

I agree that there are more differences than similarities.

I personally find it much more outrageous that a man will shoot an unarmed teen, when the teen did not initiate any contact. The shooter then flees the scene, and when the police finally catch up with him, he claims that it was "self defense."

At least in the Martin case, Zimmerman had injuries and eyewitness accounts, and had called the police. It's understandable why he wasn't arrested initially.

In this case, the shooter had no injuries, took time to load a weapon, left the scene, didn't call police... It's obvious why there was an arrest in this case.