Another Trayvon Martin?

[veritas]

You made the Statement about head bashing. What does a trial has to do with comparing cases. Try staying on topic.

I'm on topic. You were questioning the veracity of Zimmerman's wounds, not comparing cases. That will all be explored and brought out at trial. That was my point.

[hst2]

2 hits in 8 or 9 rounds from 3 feet? That guy should NOT be allowed to own weapons.

Gun grabber.

[bmorepunk]

As someone who has followed the Zimmerman case very closely, I would say you are incorrect about whether Zimmerman "initiated contact" or not. IF this is the level of your investigative skill , I doubt you are a responsible firearm owner yourself. If you mean he "laid hands on" or "attempted to detain" Trayvon it's even more ludicrous as his testimony on the phone was that Trayvon was running away, and despite some people imagining they hear George running the idea that this fat 28 year old was gonna catch lean and lanky and muscular Trayvon is silly.

Now as for this particular case I tend to believe the defendant used excessive force and that SYG will not apply. But that's because I look at cases objectively without regard to race or class issues. Should new information come out, I am open to changing my mind. The local and national press sure made a mess of Zimmerman coverage, I'm not sure I trust them to cover this story any more responsibly.

I wasn't talking about physical contact. Zimmerman initiated a situation that would not have occurred at all had he not followed Martin in his vehicle or tried to move towards him on foot. If he believed Martin was engaged in criminal activity (and possibly dangerous) he is taking an unnecessary risk. He is a fool.

[CIB]

I wasn't talking about physical contact. Zimmerman initiated a situation that would not have occurred at all had he not followed Martin in his vehicle or tried to move towards him on foot. If he believed Martin was engaged in criminal activity (and possibly dangerous) he is taking an unnecessary risk. He is a fool.

He believed Martin was fleeing and left his truck to ascertain the direction AS he had done several times in the past without incident. By the time the 311 (not police operator) informed him "we don't need you to do that" it was too late. Allegedly he was attacked on his way back to his truck. If this is correct, Martin had decided it was better to hide than flee or had decided to "circle back".

[ivanbalt]

He believed Martin was fleeing and left his truck to ascertain the direction AS he had done several times in the past without incident. By the time the 311 (not police operator) informed him "we don't need you to do that" it was too late. Allegedly he was attacked on his way back to his truck. If this is correct, Martin had decided it was better to hide than flee or had decided to "circle back".

There was an article today in the Sun about the NW Citizens Patrol in Baltimore.

The unusual series of crimes led the group to bolster its standard patrol, adding unmarked vehicles as members looked for suspects and suspicious activity. But they stuck with the rules that have guided the group for 30 years and helped make it a model for similar organizations across the United States: Nobody brings a weapon and nobody gets out of the car.

Zimmerman should have followed a similar rule.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,5165827.story

[bmorepunk]

He believed Martin was fleeing and left his truck to ascertain the direction AS he had done several times in the past without incident. By the time the 311 (not police operator) informed him "we don't need you to do that" it was too late. Allegedly he was attacked on his way back to his truck. If this is correct, Martin had decided it was better to hide than flee or had decided to "circle back".

In doing so he physically exposed himself to a possible threat, an unnecessary risk to himself. His actions in the past don't make this any less stupid. If Martin was dangerous, it was stupid. If Martin thought some dude was coming after him and was responding with force it was stupid.

[CIB]

There was an article today in the Sun about the NW Citizens Patrol in Baltimore.



Zimmerman should have followed a similar rule.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,5165827.story

"Getting out of the car" is arguable as he'd been asked to get a direction or location before, but heck one could argue it would be prudent to have stayed inside even if he thought the suspect was fleeing. But gun carrying might be what saved his life that night. A scared or angry and possibly doped up Trayvon banging George's head into concrete and grass isn't a good thing.

[musicmd]

I'm on topic. You were questioning the veracity of Zimmerman's wounds, not comparing cases. That will all be explored and brought out at trial. That was my point.

Stop lying, show were I question his wounds.

[Daan]

"Getting out of the car" is arguable as he'd been asked to get a direction or location before, but heck one could argue it would be prudent to have stayed inside even if he thought the suspect was fleeing. But gun carrying might be what saved his life that night. A scared or angry and possibly doped up Trayvon banging George's head into concrete and grass isn't a good thing.

Please link to your source for why Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

The dispatcher, in the recording, asks Zimmerman if he is following "him" and Zimmeran says he was. Zimmerman subsequently lies to the officers during the reenactment when he tells them he was not following the kid, he was only looking for a street sign. Zimmerman lies.

The gun is what gave Zimmerman the courage to chase after the "suspicious guy" who Zimmerman said was "up to no good". What's laughable is Zimmerman told the interviewing officer(s) after the shooting that he actually forgot he was carrying his gun when he confronted the kid. Yeah, right.

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[musicmd]

Please link to your source for why Zimmerman got out of his vehicle.

The dispatcher, in the recording, asks Zimmerman if he is following "him" and Zimmeran says he was. Zimmerman subsequently lies to the officers during the reenactment when he tells them he was not following the kid, he was only looking for a street sign. Zimmerman lies.

The gun is what gave Zimmerman the courage to chase after the "suspicious guy" who Zimmerman said was "up to no good". What's laughable is Zimmerman told the interviewing officer(s) after the shooting that he actually forgot he was carrying his gun when he confronted the kid. Yeah, right.

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we have a winner.

[Baltimatt]

Stop lying, show were I question his wounds.

Here:

Ambulance workers who treated Zimmerman, just another made up lie. What ABC News seems to think is not proof. Back to the 60's southern justice.
Photoshop injuries is not proof. Let me pound your head on concrete, and we shall see if your able to shoot a gun with a crack skull. I got a bridge to sell. LOL LOL LOL LOL

[musicmd]

Here:

The post is from five months ago. Today was a different discussion.Racism is real here.

[BlandFood]

Gun grabber.

So

[CIB]

Do you have proof ? i guess bigots do not need proof.

If you continue to harass me with insults I will report you.
I have given you confirmed proof in terms of photos. You rejected that proof in favor of a conspiracy theory involving the police or maybe the Prosecutor, or perhaps the news organization that reported it. Without proof, you also claimed the photos were altered even though they are officially part of the evidence that the State introduced into the Zimmerman case. I'm through playing with you. Knock off the racial attacks. Put up, or shut up.

[CIB]

"When Serino filed an affidavit requesting a manslaughter charge, Carter was "very upset," Santiago told the defense, as was Santiago's captain. The consensus among most at daily meetings, Santiago said, was that there was "insufficient evidence" to bring a charge.

Grieco, a defense lawyer and former prosecutor from Miami, said the state will fight to keep Sanford officers from testifying on their opinions of the evidence, but jurors will know that the police chose not to make an arrest.

"I can't remember ever seeing or hearing about a case where you have the police officers firmly believing that they didn't even have probable cause for an arrest [but] then you have a prosecutor's office... believing that they have not only enough to charge, but to convict," Grieco said.

Corey, the special prosecutor, won't have to rely solely on Sanford police work: The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and Corey's own investigators also gathered evidence.

O'Donnell, of John Jay College, predicted the state may have to "throw the cops under the bus."

Said O'Donnell: "The prosecution will come back and say, 'What do you expect them to say about a case that they bungled?'" "

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0.story?page=1

George Zimmerman's legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin's family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen's girlfriend.

And:
Crump has said that Witness 8 is 16 years old, but the defense writes in its motion that she is actually 18. She has not been publicly identified by either the state or defense, pursuant to a judge's order.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,4647925.story


SNICKER. This case is falling apart more each and every day. Payday for the "white hispanic" seems an inevitability.

[musicmd]

"When Serino filed an affidavit requesting a manslaughter charge, Carter was "very upset," Santiago told the defense, as was Santiago's captain. The consensus among most at daily meetings, Santiago said, was that there was "insufficient evidence" to bring a charge.

Grieco, a defense lawyer and former prosecutor from Miami, said the state will fight to keep Sanford officers from testifying on their opinions of the evidence, but jurors will know that the police chose not to make an arrest.

"I can't remember ever seeing or hearing about a case where you have the police officers firmly believing that they didn't even have probable cause for an arrest [but] then you have a prosecutor's office... believing that they have not only enough to charge, but to convict," Grieco said.

Corey, the special prosecutor, won't have to rely solely on Sanford police work: The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and Corey's own investigators also gathered evidence.

O'Donnell, of John Jay College, predicted the state may have to "throw the cops under the bus."

Said O'Donnell: "The prosecution will come back and say, 'What do you expect them to say about a case that they bungled?'" "

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0.story?page=1

George Zimmerman's legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin's family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen's girlfriend.

And:
Crump has said that Witness 8 is 16 years old, but the defense writes in its motion that she is actually 18. She has not been publicly identified by either the state or defense, pursuant to a judge's order.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,4647925.story


SNICKER. This case is falling apart more each and every day. Payday for the "white hispanic" seems an inevitability.

BS lies

[Baltimatt]

The post is from five months ago. Today was a different discussion.Racism is real here.

Really? Both discussions were about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin (this thread is supposed to be about another killing, be we have reverted back to the former).

How is it racism to mention your prior comments? You tend to dismiss any evidence favorable to George Zimmerman as "BS LOL LOL LOL." You have repeatedly stated that any evidence for his version of events is fake, without offering any proof.

I'll let the court system come to a conclusion of Zimmerman's guilt based on the evidence presented at trial.

[Smokey 1]

Really? Both discussions were about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin (this thread is supposed to be about another killing, be we have reverted back to the former).

How is it racism to mention your prior comments? You tend to dismiss any evidence favorable to George Zimmerman as "BS LOL LOL LOL." You have repeatedly stated that any evidence for his version of events is fake, without offering any proof.

I'll let the court system come to a conclusion of Zimmerman's guilt based on the evidence presented at trial.

Yes, racism is here alright it just isn't where he thinks it is.

[Jeebus]

The post is from five months ago. Today was a different discussion.Racism is real here.

Caught in his own lie by his own posts.

Or as you like to put it - LOL LOL LOL LOL!

[Baltimatt]

Can we get back to the topic at hand?

Before the moment Jordan was shot in a gas station parking lot by Michael Dunn, a 45-year-old software developer, he lived a normal teenage life. He was raised by his mother in Atlanta where he was homeschooled from 4th grade until high school.

Two years ago, Jordan moved to Jacksonville, Florida to live with his father Ron Davis. He attended Jacksonville’s Samuel W. Wolfson High School where he was described as a very bright student by his teacher Carolyn Aponte, who moved him into an advanced reading class when he was in 10th grade. His music appreciation teacher Cristina Ledford said that he would use his intelligence to "speak from the heart" during discussions.

Jordan worked at a local supermarket chain named Winn-Dixie, but he looked forward to starting his new job at McDonalds. He aspired to join the military and he liked to listen to music, loudly. His friends and his music were two of the last things he heard before his life slipped away in the backseat of a red SUV on Black Friday.

At the same time, we now have a picture of Jordan Davis in a hoodie, and he supposedly bears a "striking resemblance to Trayvon Martin."

I don't see it.