Valencia - what's the point?

[hector]

seriously, how much could Nate & Saunders be asking for? especially Nate, he should have been signed already.

the only reason that I can see, for DD not getting that done, is that they plan to upgrade. Saunders is a back of the rotation guy, but there's nothing wrong with strengthening the rotation. sign him. again, unless they have their eye on an upgrade. but I won't believe that until it's done.

Yankee pundits (Francesa et al) rave about McLouth. The Yankees might be looking at him as a replacement for Swisher.

[weird-O]

Yankee pundits (Francesa et al) rave about McLouth. The Yankees might be looking at him as a replacement for Swisher.

after showing that he's MLB ready again, Nate isn't going to sign a 1 yr deal. and that's all the Yankees are offering this winter. several reports say they're signing Ichiro for 1 yr. with Ganderson and Gardner, they're all set for the OF.

[Far from home]

after showing that he's MLB ready again, Nate isn't going to sign a 1 yr deal. and that's all the Yankees are offering this winter. several reports say they're signing Ichiro for 1 yr. with Ganderson and Gardner, they're all set for the OF.

That is a pretty good outfield, although I would switch Gardner and Granderson - Granderson isn't that great in CF anymore and his bat plays better in left.

[hector]

after showing that he's MLB ready again, Nate isn't going to sign a 1 yr deal. and that's all the Yankees are offering this winter. several reports say they're signing Ichiro for 1 yr. with Ganderson and Gardner, they're all set for the OF.

From the pundits on YES, the impression is that the Yankees will cut Granderson loose after his last contract year in 2013. His salary is $15 million and there's no way he's worth that much to the "cost cutting Yankees." Also, signing Ichiro is an open question given his high salary expectations.

The YES pundits views are that (a) AROD is useless and a five year drag on the payroll; (b) Jeter is near the end and will be a big challenge if he seeks another big contract next year; (c) Tex is on the downside of his career; (d) Cano goes into free agency next year at 30 years old and he's only worth a 5 or 6 year premium contract; (e) Rivera is done after 2013; (f) Granderson is through in NY after the 2013 season; and (g) Nunez is a terrible fielder and not a suitable replacement for Jeter or AROD.

[Jeebus]

The YES pundits views are that (a) AROD is useless and a five year drag on the payroll;

And he is having more hip surgery in January that will sideline him for 4-6 months.

Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News reports that Rodriguez’s surgery is slated for January, with the delay stemming from the need to build up more strength in his hip before going under the knife. Obviously the fact that he’s expected to miss at least part of the season and yet the surgery is being put off until January suggests it won’t be a speedy recovery process, and according to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com it’s a 3-6 month timetable that could knock him out for the entire first half.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...f-2013-season/

[hector]

And he is having more hip surgery in January that will sideline him for 4-6 months.



http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...f-2013-season/

The YES punditry are questioning whether AROD has anything at all left after his dismal performance toward the end of 2012. They not only question whether the power is gone but even question whether he can make contact at all.

Based on his dismal performance in 2012, I assume the delay in surgery is to give AROD an excuse for sitting out 2013 and thereby plant the seeds for an excuse for further decline in 2014. If AROD had any self-respect, he would have had the surgery in October to be ready to go next April.

[joe cool]

I heard an interview with Buck about 2 weeks ago. when asked about their philosophy with the team, Buck said, 'we plan for every possibility, you can't assume any player from last year will repeat his performance, or what if our shortstop breaks his arm in ST'.

this may be a part of that philosophy. after all, the O's weathered big injuries by having multiple back ups available to them.

I hope many on here read this and understand that even their own manager is preparing to see a possible, and likely, decline for most of the players on the O’s who over performed last season.

See intelligent people think with their brains and prepare for the most likely, while homers think with their hearts and assume that everything will remain the same or improve instead of decline.

Remember most, if not all, of the players that performed well last season for the O’s have a track record of being mediocre or worse, with some that had no record at all, but some people here act as if what they did last season was the norm!!

[Far from home]

I hope many on here read this and understand that even their own manager is preparing to see a possible, and likely, decline for most of the players on the O’s who over performed last season.

See intelligent people think with their brains and prepare for the most likely, while homers think with their hearts and assume that everything will remain the same or improve instead of decline.

Remember most, if not all, of the players that performed well last season for the O’s have a track record of being mediocre or worse, with some that had no record at all, but some people here act as if what they did last season was the norm!!

The players on the team didn't over perform.
Look up Davis' production in the majors and minors - the rates match up.
Adam was right on par with his progression in the majors.
Nick's rates were back to what he was trending before he lost motivation.
JJ had a down year offensively.
Machado was one of the best prospects in baseball.
Reynolds was below his career rates.
The 2bmen sucked.
Wieters was right in line with his rates - saber wise, he actually downtrended.
The pitching was hot, but only for half of the season.
The bullpen was awesome, but they had all met precedents, with the exceptions of the number of saves by JJ.

I think you should probably rethink what you are saying.

[joe cool]

The players on the team didn't over perform.
Look up Davis' production in the majors and minors - the rates match up.
Adam was right on par with his progression in the majors.
Nick's rates were back to what he was trending before he lost motivation.
JJ had a down year offensively.
Machado was one of the best prospects in baseball.
Reynolds was below his career rates.
The 2bmen sucked.
Wieters was right in line with his rates - saber wise, he actually downtrended.
The pitching was hot, but only for half of the season.
The bullpen was awesome, but they had all met precedents, with the exceptions of the number of saves by JJ.

I think you should probably rethink what you are saying.

I don’t think I should re-think anything, even your manager is prepping for a down turn to the team. Regardless of what numbers you may think up to make your argument sound better, the team as a whole OVERPERFORMED last season and more than likely the same will NOT be happening again this season.

Do you really believe the Orioles will have a similar record in 1 run games or extra inning games?? If you do I have a beach house in Arizona I’d like to sell you real cheap!!

Last season was one of those season in which everything that could go right for one team did. Why do you think that everywhere you look the O’s are still not looked at as a team on the rise??

If was a fluke, but a fluke that could have been taken advantage of but I believe they will blow that chance. Angelos is now convinced more than ever that he knows more than anyone else and does not have to spend big money to improve the team. He’ll expect the same results next season with the same type team on the cheap because it worked once.

You guys also tend to forget that other teams around the league will improve during the off season, including those AL East team, and the O’s will not be catching anyone by surprise this season as they did last.

Believe me you can mark my words right here right now the Orioles of 2013 will be a lot closer to the pre 2012 Orioles than the Orioles of last season. But you guys can continue to dream on and I’ll be right here to remind you all when the time comes of how wrong you where yet again!!

[Far from home]

I don’t think I should re-think anything, even your manager is prepping for a down turn to the team. Regardless of what numbers you may think up to make your argument sound better, the team as a whole OVERPERFORMED last season and more than likely the same will NOT be happening again this season.

Do you really believe the Orioles will have a similar record in 1 run games or extra inning games?? If you do I have a beach house in Arizona I’d like to sell you real cheap!!

Last season was one of those season in which everything that could go right for one team did. Why do you think that everywhere you look the O’s are still not looked at as a team on the rise??

If was a fluke, but a fluke that could have been taken advantage of but I believe they will blow that chance. Angelos is now convinced more than ever that he knows more than anyone else and does not have to spend big money to improve the team. He’ll expect the same results next season with the same type team on the cheap because it worked once.

You guys also tend to forget that other teams around the league will improve during the off season, including those AL East team, and the O’s will not be catching anyone by surprise this season as they did last.

Believe me you can mark my words right here right now the Orioles of 2013 will be a lot closer to the pre 2012 Orioles than the Orioles of last season. But you guys can continue to dream on and I’ll be right here to remind you all when the time comes of how wrong you where yet again!!

Never said the O's were going to win anything next year.
What I did say was that your categorization of the O's as a bunch of players are in line for a decline is false.
I have no idea what their record will be in 1 run games.
What I will say is that, if their bullpen as a group performs the same way that it did this season, there will be good chance that they manage a similar one-run game record...and that they have a good chance at that.
Their bullpen is not only intact, but they also have some new, younger blood to throw in their with Hunter throwing in the mid-high 90s every appearance and Matusz doing what he did.
They also have some other guys in the system and will continue to be aggressive in bringing in other high potential guys for the upper minors.

They also have a group of young players that are either in or coming into their prime years.
The thing I am worried about is the effect that Reynolds will have if he isn't resigned.
His defense was a catalyst for the team, and provided in the difference in a lot of games they played. I think that he could be even better this year, if the O's resign him and give him another opportunity.

[hector]

Believe me you can mark my words right here right now the Orioles of 2013 will be a lot closer to the pre 2012 Orioles than the Orioles of last season. But you guys can continue to dream on and I’ll be right here to remind you all when the time comes of how wrong you where yet again!!

[/QUOTE]

Your prediction for 2013 is incorrect. I have already professed that the 2013 Orioles will be 84-78. This is a step back from 2012 but far better than the decade that preceded 2012.

[weird-O]

Remember most, if not all, of the players that performed well last season for the O’s have a track record of being mediocre or worse, with some that had no record at all, but some people here act as if what they did last season was the norm!!

show us the stats to back up this statement. breakdown each player you're talking about.

[NY_O'sfan]

Valencia is no Garrett Atkins, but close enough!!

[Mr. Buzzcut]

Valencia is no Garrett Atkins, but close enough!!

I think Atkins needed glasses.

[durango46]

You are very welcomed loser!!

LMAO....I'm the loser huh I don't run my mouth bashing the Yankees on their board. You never have anything decent to say pole smoker

Talk about the true definition of a loser.