Annapolis Business says no to weddings because of gay marriage

[Saticon3]

They could have simply left their answer at " we don't do weddings anymore" end of story. That they freely explained the reason would seem to indicate that they want to take a public stand. Since they stopped doing ANY weddings I suppose they are free from any government or civil recourse. Which, is as it should be. I think the'll lose in the long run and be the worse off for their stance. But, they're welcome to it.

[Baltimatt]

Lawman--

I was on the bus when I responded earlier, so my post was rather short.

As I said, we have antidiscrimination laws which have been around for a while. A business owner can't discriminate against blacks or Jews or Christians.

As far as Tov Pizza goes, it's a kosher pizza shop and serves only kosher food. As long as they serve anyone who comes through the door, it's not a problem. You're not going to get a sausage pizza regardless of whether you're Jewish or Rastafarian.

[sigmalady]

The owner did not make a public pronouncement, he answered a direct question. I think it is a stupid business decision, but its his business.

[bmore_ken]

An Annapolis tour company is turning away ALL wedding business because the Question Six referendum passed. They are not shyoing away from telling people why they will not serve them

http://www.eyeonannapolis.net/2012/1...-gay-marriage/

Totally their choice. If they want to give up that cash, more power to them

[Baltimatt]

The National Organization for Marriage has stepped into the fray.

It Begins: Christian Wedding Vendor in Maryland Forced to Shut Down Over SSM

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Sure enough, as we warned, citizens in Maryland who disagree with redefined marriage are now being forced out of the public square and are NOT protected under the redefining marriage law passed in Maryland.

Of course, the business was not "forced to shut down." It chose not to service weddings. It is still in business. NOM not being truthful?

[Omaha Beach]

The National Organization for Marriage has stepped into the fray.



Of course, the business was not "forced to shut down." It chose not to service weddings. It is still in business. NOM not being truthful?

Just wait a bit. I guarantee you that six months or a year from now the ACLU will be representing a homosexual couple in a lawsuit because a priest or orthodox rabbi refuses to marry them. Bet on it.

[Baltimatt]

Just wait a bit. I guarantee you that six months or a year from now the ACLU will be representing a homosexual couple in a lawsuit because a priest or orthodox rabbi refuses to marry them. Bet on it.

The law specifically precludes such action. Anyone trying to do that would be laughed out of court.

How many opposite-sex couples have sued a religious organization for refusing to perform a marriage for whatever reason?

[Omaha Beach]

The law specifically precludes such action. Anyone trying to do that would be laughed out of court.

How many opposite-sex couples have sued a religious organization for refusing to perform a marriage for whatever reason?

As to your first point as a retired attorney I can tell you people file baseless lawsuits all the time and they are not, as you say, laughed out of court. Defendants settle baseless suits to avoid the costs of litigation. The same attempt will be made against religious organizations that refuse to marry homosexuals. Just wait a bit.

As to your second question you need to be more specific. Whatever reason could cover refusing to marry brother and sister( valid reason) or refusing to marry inter racial couple(invalid reason).

[Baltimatt]

Omaha Beach--

Do you really think the ACLU would back a lawsuit like this?

Some people won't do inter-faith marriages. Some are opposed to a divorced person getting married. Has anyone who has been turned down for a marriage ceremony actually sued to have it performed?

[Omaha Beach]

Omaha Beach--

Do you really think the ACLU would back a lawsuit like this?

Some people won't do inter-faith marriages. Some are opposed to a divorced person getting married. Has anyone who has been turned down for a marriage ceremony actually sued to have it performed?

Yes i do believe at some point that organization will say that the religious, exemption is a violation of the equal protection of the law in that it denies religiously observant gays the same right to marriage as secular gays.

As to your second question i do not know. But even if no that is not relevant as to what is going to happen now that the genie is out of the bottle with homosexual marriage.

[Baltimatt]

Omaha

All the years of marriage, and now all of a sudden the genie is out of the bottle?

[Fang]

I applaud Matt Grubbs for standing firm with his beliefs even if it means the possible loss of business. The lesbian couple Chris and Claire owe Matt Grubbs an apology for calling him a "bigot". It seems Chris and Claire are completely intolerant of someone else's beliefs.

[Baltimatt]

I applaud Matt Grubbs for standing firm with his beliefs even if it means the possible loss of business. The lesbian couple Chris and Claire owe Matt Grubbs an apology for calling him a "bigot". It seems Chris and Claire are completely intolerant of someone else's beliefs.

How do you know they are a lesbian couple? In the letter it refers to "fiance," so I assume it is a man and a woman.

[baltimoreron]

It seems Chris and Claire are completely intolerant of someone else's beliefs.

It's the liberal way. I've mentioned it many times on this board.

[Fang]

How do you know they are a lesbian couple? In the letter it refers to "fiance," so I assume it is a man and a woman.

Yea, there is that. If the one's name was "Barbara" rather than "Chris" then we would know. But as it stands there is confusion.

Since I have your attention, is it appropriate to refer to a married lesbian's partner as "your wife"? A friend of mine did just that at a party last week and the lesbian he was talking to rather abruptly corrected him and said, "She's my spouse". I guess we all need to learn the rules when addressing a "married" couple now. And why would you think "fiance" refers to a man and woman? What is the new term there for a gay couple?

[Baltimatt]

Fang--

The New York Times had a recent article with interesting comments on this issue. To me, lesbians have wives and gay men have husbands. I think some people are being too sensitive. If someone wants to say spouse, fine, but don't get all bent out of shape if someone says wife or husband.

A fiancé is a man engaged to be married, a fiancée is a woman. As far as I know, it works the same for gay and straight couples.

(Your post seems to indicate you don't know there is a difference in the spelling of the male and female forms of the word. A female has an extra "e" tacked on. That's the way the French do it. Since fiance was used, assuming it was used correctly, one of them would have to be male. I'll assume Claire is a woman.)

[Fang]

Fang--

The New York Times had a recent article with interesting comments on this issue. To me, lesbians have wives and gay men have husbands. I think some people are being too sensitive. If someone wants to say spouse, fine, but don't get all bent out of shape if someone says wife or husband..

My point exactly. This couple just won a major vote in regards to gay marriage and not 3 weeks later one of them is bent out of shape because my friend had the audacity to use the word "wife".

A fiancé is a man engaged to be married, a fiancée is a woman. As far as I know, it works the same for gay and straight couples.

You are correct. I forgot about the extra "e".

[Baltimatt]

Fang--

Spouse seems so impersonal, while wife or husband seems a little more personal, IMHO.

[Fang]

Fang--

Spouse seems so impersonal, while wife or husband seems a little more personal, IMHO.

I agree. Plus I think if true equality is what gay couples are looking for, then we would all use the same terms when referring to our partners without issue. Otherwise, it's not the same thing which is what people against gay marriage argued.

[Omaha Beach]

Omaha

All the years of marriage, and now all of a sudden the genie is out of the bottle?

You forget that all the years of marriage for thousands of years, was between man and woman. Despite all the propaganda to the contrary gay marriage is all of a sudden comparitively speaking.