Illegal Aliens Reject Republican Dream Act

[SoSad]

SoSad--

It was short-lived because of World War I. Anti-German sentiment was strong. German Street in Baltimore was renamed Redwood Street.

And during WWII, there were non-citizens shipped back/deported to Germany. My German Grandfather was flying bombing missions from England to Germany while some German non-citizens were exchanged for American POWs. That's just the way things were back then.

These non-citizens were viewed as the enemy once arriving in Germany for obvious reasons.

[Baltimatt]

SoSad--

You seem to be missing the point of why I posted this to begin with.

[SoSad]

SoSad--

You seem to be missing the point of why I posted this to begin with.

Not really. I recognize what happened, and the fact that there was a serious attempt at bilingual education in the school system, BUT I can appreciate contributons to the United States, as opposed to just feeling entitled.

[Bloomin Onion]

Just because there were cases in the past with bilingual education in German doesn't mean there should be today in Spanish. Imagine if all the immigrants from Germany, Italy, Ireland, France, all kept their native languagues and cultures, refused to speak English, and refused to respect or adapt to American culture. Imagine how fractured our nation would be today.

Yet today with the liberal mentality its okay for illegals to come here against the law. Its okay for them to refuse to speak English and demand that we learn their language! Its okay in the liberal mentality to say that they are entitled to education and government benefits even though they are illegal. Now there are those who say there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration My parents came here legally. If you are ILLEGAL, you deserve nothing, you don't even have the right to be here and you shouldn't have a path to citizenship.

How do these illegals find the nerve to actually demand ANYTHING from this country? They actually demand citizenship????? They need to to thank the good Lord for ANY sympathy or any break given to them by the government since they really do not deserve anything at all. They have some nerve complaining about how they feel like second class citizens when they aren't even citizens at all!!!!

[Grindelwald]

Just because there were cases in the past with bilingual education in German doesn't mean there should be today in Spanish. Imagine if all the immigrants from Germany, Italy, Ireland, France, all kept their native languagues and cultures, refused to speak English, and refused to respect or adapt to American culture. Imagine how fractured our nation would be today.

Yet today with the liberal mentality its okay for illegals to come here against the law. Its okay for them to refuse to speak English and demand that we learn their language! Its okay in the liberal mentality to say that they are entitled to education and government benefits even though they are illegal. Now there are those who say there is no difference between legal and illegal immigration My parents came here legally. If you are ILLEGAL, you deserve nothing, you don't even have the right to be here and you shouldn't have a path to citizenship.

How do these illegals find the nerve to actually demand ANYTHING from this country? They actually demand citizenship????? They need to to thank the good Lord for ANY sympathy or any break given to them by the government since they really do not deserve anything at all. They have some nerve complaining about how they feel like second class citizens when they aren't even citizens at all!!!!

What will you say in 2 years when the Republicans will have the same viewpoint?

[Baltimatt]

Just because there were cases in the past with bilingual education in German doesn't mean there should be today in Spanish. Imagine if all the immigrants from Germany, Italy, Ireland, France, all kept their native languagues and cultures, refused to speak English, and refused to respect or adapt to American culture. Imagine how fractured our nation would be today.

I was simply addressing the contention that such things didn't happen in the past. They did.

[SoSad]

I was simply addressing the contention that such things didn't happen in the past. They did.

I don't know how you cam compare the two. One group offered contributions to education. Today, the only contribution is the drain on our economy.

Do we know that the Germans "demanded" that we teach bilingual education? Were there propostitions brought forth to them that they rejected as not good enough?

[Baltimatt]

SoSad--

I bring it up because you said

There weren't any immigrants of that time period demanding that we teach public school in their language.

Now, maybe the immigrants didn't "demand" it, but somebody must have thought it was a good idea.

That's all I am trying to say. I made no reference to drains on the economy vs. contributions.

[SoSad]

SoSad--

I bring it up because you said

There weren't any immigrants of that time period demanding that we teach public school in their language.

Now, maybe the immigrants didn't "demand" it, but somebody must have thought it was a good idea.

That's all I am trying to say. I made no reference to drains on the economy vs. contributions.

But no one demanded it. That was my original statement. I understand what you re saying, but I don't want my words to get twisted around.

[Baltimatt]

SoSad--

How do we know no one demanded it? There must have been some reason for setting up bilingual schools. Did immigrants have no input into the decision-making process?

[SoSad]

SoSad--

How do we know no one demanded it? There must have been some reason for setting up bilingual schools. Did immigrants have no input into the decision-making process?

If you take issue with my statement, please support yours with a link to back it up. Show me where there were demands and examples of the Germans rejecting proposals.

All I've found and know about are contributions to our educational system.

[flyboy56]

Talk about a sense of entitlement...this is what many PRicans would like for PRico.

What is "enhanced Commonwealth" status?

Most importantly, it is not the status quo. "Enhanced Commonwealth" status, an option supported by the pro-Commonwealth party of Puerto Rico, is intended to be an improved version of the current status. It seeks to combine the "best of both worlds"-that is, the best features of both statehood and independence, without the burdens of each of those options. Enhanced Commonwealth would include: an end to "territorial" status (the Territorial Clause would no longer apply); permanent union between Puerto Rico and the United States; a permanent guarantee of U.S. citizenship for persons born in Puerto Rico; federal benefits without federal income taxes; a power of the Puerto Rico legislature to enter into international treaties, as if it were an independent country; and a power of the Puerto Rico legislature to exercise a selective veto over federal laws. Under enhanced Commonwealth status, Puerto Rico and the United States would share sovereignty, as Congress does with the states. However, Puerto Rico's special powers would give it greater sovereignty than a state, while U.S. citizens residing in Puerto Rico would still have no representation at the federal level. It is unlikely that Congress would, or even could, approve such a status.

[Baltimatt]

SoSad--

You made the statement there were no demands. If I take issue with your statement, you need to back it up.

I made no references to "contributions to our educational system." Rejecting proposals was not part of the statement I was challenging.

[flyboy56]

The link for my post on Puerto Rico. FYI, I have lived here in PRico for 12 years now.

http://www.letpuertoricodecide.com/status.php

[flyboy56]

And on top of all that, all political parties here want to keep "their culture" which means maintaining Spanish as the primary language spoken, which it is now, and public schools will continue teaching Spanish in public schools, and all government business continue to be conducted in Spanish. The majority party (PDP) would like to see PRico become the first U.S. state/independent sovereign nation.

[SoSad]

Talk about a sense of entitlement...this is what many PRicans would like for PRico.

What is "enhanced Commonwealth" status?

Most importantly, it is not the status quo. "Enhanced Commonwealth" status, an option supported by the pro-Commonwealth party of Puerto Rico, is intended to be an improved version of the current status. It seeks to combine the "best of both worlds"-that is, the best features of both statehood and independence, without the burdens of each of those options. Enhanced Commonwealth would include: an end to "territorial" status (the Territorial Clause would no longer apply); permanent union between Puerto Rico and the United States; a permanent guarantee of U.S. citizenship for persons born in Puerto Rico; federal benefits without federal income taxes; a power of the Puerto Rico legislature to enter into international treaties, as if it were an independent country; and a power of the Puerto Rico legislature to exercise a selective veto over federal laws. Under enhanced Commonwealth status, Puerto Rico and the United States would share sovereignty, as Congress does with the states. However, Puerto Rico's special powers would give it greater sovereignty than a state, while U.S. citizens residing in Puerto Rico would still have no representation at the federal level. It is unlikely that Congress would, or even could, approve such a status.

I've heard about this. The idea is ludicrous.

[SoSad]

SoSad--

You made the statement there were no demands. If I take issue with your statement, you need to back it up.

I made no references to "contributions to our educational system." Rejecting proposals was not part of the statement I was challenging.

Wrong. You slapped up a link that was addressing part of my comment, but not my whole comment.

Here's another statement by you:

Now, maybe the immigrants didn't "demand" it, but somebody must have thought it was a good idea.

I propose that perhaps congress thought it to be a good idea.

The Germans offered the first kindergarten which was originally private, and they were into gym, and other areas of interest which resulted in improvements to our schools.

[flyboy56]

Right now the status quo is "Commonwealth." And for now this status offers the best of both worlds. They keep their culture. They pay no federal payroll taxes, although SS, Medicare and Medicaid taxes are paid. We can vote in the primaries but not the general election for President. Of course many get around that by having a resident established in the US. A non-voting Resident Commissioner is sent to Washington to represent PRico. Much of this push for illegal immigrants and Spanish bilingual schools come from PRicans. Yet when you talk about diversity here in people and language, and their own illegal immigrant issue, many refuse to talk about it and force the conversation back to the US.

[Baltimatt]

Wrong. You slapped up a link that was addressing part of my comment, but not my whole comment.

Here's another statement by you:




I propose that perhaps congress thought it to be a good idea.

The Germans offered the first kindergarten which was orginally private, and they were into gym, and other areas of interest which resulted in improvements to our schools.

What would congress have to do with whether Baltimore City schools taught classes in German, particularly in that time frame?

Also, you said "wrong". What was wrong? Please be specific.

[flyboy56]

Much of the anger towards all things American coming from PRicans goes back to the US invasion of PRico during the Spanish-American War. The fight lasted all of 3 days when the Spanish surrendered. Puerto Rico was given to the US under the surrender treaty. That is when President McKinley made a huge error in judgement and order the US military to stay, and eventually put in place a governor from the US, and converted schools to English. Many PRicans believe PRico is the last of the illegal colonies left and want congress to make a decision concerning status. But PRicans cannot agree on what status they want. It's a huge stalemate.