Illegal Aliens Reject Republican Dream Act

[SoSad]

What would congress have to do with whether Baltimore City schools taught classes in German, particularly in that time frame?

Also, you said "wrong". What was wrong? Please be specific.

Congress had nothing to do with the city council, but the thread title is about the Dream Act and congress is very much a part of that argument. You chose to interject the city council and their actions, not me.

I guess I could make the argument that nothing on a federal level was done at the time, but that's really not the point.

I don't feel a need to defend a statement I made that you disagree with. That's why I said "wrong".

[flyboy56]

Can we please get back to present day issues?

[SoSad]

Can we please get back to present day issues?

I'd love to, but I can also see why Baltimatt brought up the past.

[Baltimatt]

Can we please get back to present day issues?

Good idea.

SoSad--

I was just trying to make a point--I didn't mean it to balloon into what it did. I was not trying to compare the different groups, whether demands were rejected, or anything else. Just that in the past, we have accommodate immigrants, whether they demanded it or not, by teaching in their language.

[flyboy56]

Good idea.

SoSad--

I was just trying to make a point--I didn't mean it to balloon into what it did. I was not trying to compare the different groups, whether demands were rejected, or anything else. Just that in the past, we have accommodate immigrants, whether they demanded it or not, by teaching in their language.

And many schools do offer foreign languages if someone wants to learn another language.

[bullmikey]

Well, that probably explains why Obama got 115% of the illegal alien vote.

[flyboy56]

Well, that probably explains why Obama got 115% of the illegal alien vote.

Baltimatt was referring to legal immigrants. German immigrants mostly.

[Bloomin Onion]

I hope Puerto Rico does not become a state since that will be adding more poverty and welfare to the US and adding more Democrats too. For some reason, while all Puerto Ricans are legally here, many still support illegal immigration from elsewhere in Latin America. This is mainly due to racial solidarity with other members of the Hispanic race and is very disturbing. Some African American voters also have a kind of racial solidarity with the illegals which expains why many blacks voted in favor of illegal immigration during the election.

Yes we do not know that the early German American immigrants demanded bilingual education. At least I don't think they demanded that Americans learn German and speak German to them, or force businesses to provide services in German. I have friends in Florida and some times illegals would be at Walmart and be angry when there is no Spanish speaking staff to serve them. This is why we need English as an official language like Carroll County is doing. When businesses provie bilingual employees that is a business decision, not because illegal aliens are entitlted to come here, refuse to learn English and deman that we cater to them and speak their language to them.

I don't think the Germans who came here in the past refused to learn English the way illegal Mexicans today do. Also the Germans didn't say that we owe Germany or that part of our land should belong to Germany!!!! You see we won the Southwest from Mexico in war and it is OUR LAND now the Mexicans have no claim to it. If California and Texas remained part of Mexico, today they would be no different than Tijuana or Juarez.

[Bloomin Onion]

Illegal aliens should not be in a position to demand or approve ANYTHING certainly not the national Dream Act. Like they feel they have a right not just to be here (which they don't) but to citizenship?????? Their arrogance is astounding.

I wish the illegals would know their place, which is in Mexico.

[Baltimatt]

Illegal aliens should not be in a position to demand or approve ANYTHING certainly not the national Dream Act. Like they feel they have a right not just to be here (which they don't) but to citizenship?????? Their arrogance is astounding.

I wish the illegals would know their place, which is in Mexico.

Even for the 15% of Asian immigrants who are illegal?

[Bloomin Onion]

Even for the 15% of Asian immigrants who are illegal?

A much smaller percentage of Asians are illegals compare to Mexicans. And due to their numbers I guess they are not in a position to refuse to learn English and demand that we learn Chinese or other Asian languages. However while I am of Asian descent I am an American first. I also have no sympaty for these Asian illegals. Illegal is illegal no matter where you are from. Myself and my family do not identify with the Asian illegals and are equally upset about them taking advantage of our tax money and driving up our taxes. The Asian illegals equally do not deserve in-state tuition nor a path to citizenship. I really don't care where an illegal is from if you are an illegal then you do not have the right to be in my country.

So Matt how do you feel about illegals who refuse to learn English and demanding that we cater ot them in their language?

[Baltimatt]

Bloomin Onion

Before I answer your question, let's get something straight. You said "I wish the illegals would know their place, which is in Mexico." Illegals come from all over. While about 62% are from Mexico (2009), they all aren't.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2009.pdf

However, it's not just illegals that don't speak English well and would like things in their own language. Step into the Bank of America at 1800 East Monument Street in Baltimore and you'll find signs in English and Chinese.

Don't blame everything on illegals. They should have come legally, but we have turned a blind eye over the years. Also, the Civil Rights Act Title VI requires accommodations by made by agencies receiving federal funds for people of limited English proficiency. http://www.archives.gov/eeo/laws/title-vi.html

It's not just illegals, and it's not just foreigners demanding we accommodate other lanuages; our law often requires it.

[SoSad]

Good idea.

SoSad--

I was just trying to make a point--I didn't mean it to balloon into what it did. I was not trying to compare the different groups, whether demands were rejected, or anything else. Just that in the past, we have accommodate immigrants, whether they demanded it or not, by teaching in their language.

Understood. I just wanted an apples to apples comparison and I don't know that we were talking about illegal alien Germans the way we are on this topic. We can disagree on a point, I'm fine with that.

[SoSad]

Much of the anger towards all things American coming from PRicans goes back to the US invasion of PRico during the Spanish-American War. The fight lasted all of 3 days when the Spanish surrendered. Puerto Rico was given to the US under the surrender treaty. That is when President McKinley made a huge error in judgement and order the US military to stay, and eventually put in place a governor from the US, and converted schools to English. Many PRicans believe PRico is the last of the illegal colonies left and want congress to make a decision concerning status. But PRicans cannot agree on what status they want. It's a huge stalemate.

I think Puerto Rico should have been left to elect their own politicians and run their schools their own way. If we wanted to oversee the process, well okay.

Of course I'm saying this without researching cause and effect on the U.S. or Puerto Rico. If we were to make Puerto Rico a state, at least there would be the contribution of land and taxes.

[bullmikey]

Baltimatt was referring to legal immigrants. German immigrants mostly.

I was commenting with my usual wit, charm, and rapier humor on the thread title itself, not on any specific post or poster. Probbaly I should do something to make that clearer, huh?

[bullmikey]

This is mainly due to racial solidarity with other members of the Hispanic race...

Hispanic is not a race.

[bullmikey]

Even for the 15% of Asian immigrants who are illegal?

Definitely, IMHO.

The law is the same for everyone (in theroy, at least), no?

[flyboy56]

I think Puerto Rico should have been left to elect their own politicians and run their schools their own way. If we wanted to oversee the process, well okay.

Of course I'm saying this without researching cause and effect on the U.S. or Puerto Rico. If we were to make Puerto Rico a state, at least there would be the contribution of land and taxes.

Yes, but the mistake was made back in 1898. Most people do want to continue a relationship with the US which includes keeping the US citizenship. But many also want to keep their culture in tact which means keeping Spanish the main language spoken here which is a problem for congress. I pay taxes here which supports the public schools. Now if PRico became a state I and the many Americans here would most likely demand English be taught in public schools and we would be correct in our argument that it is a US state now and we want our children to be taught in English.

[flyboy56]

I was commenting with my usual wit, charm, and rapier humor on the thread title itself, not on any specific post or poster. Probbaly I should do something to make that clearer, huh?

I'm sure their is a reason you call yourself bullmikey. keep up the good work my friend. We seem to be on the same page with our uniquely formidable insight. And I use the term "uniquely formidable" loosely.

[Baltimatt]

Definitely, IMHO.

The law is the same for everyone (in theroy, at least), no?

Really? Illegal Asians belong in Mexico?