Ray Rice 12 carries with a LEAD?

[BiggSeth]

that is all I am saying.

as I screamed at the T.V. last night "RUN THE F*%(ing BALL!!!" joe drops back, gets sacked and fumbles.

Instead of running out the clock, well, you all know the rest.

Is this the year they finally get rid of Cameron and his idiotic scheme?

Ray Rice 12 carries in a loss where they gave up the lead in the 4th quarter, AFTER getting a turn over in the end zone.

Ray Rice 12 carries......in an AFC North game in Decmeber.

[bmore_ken]

Personally I think the bigger issues were all the Steeler receivers running wide open and losing to a 3rd string qb who seemed to have had time to make a sandwich while picking out a receiver.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Personally I think the bigger issues were all the Steeler receivers running wide open and losing to a 3rd string qb who seemed to have had time to make a sandwich while picking out a receiver.

So yet again...instead of dealing with the topic at hand, you come in with another "Well I think a BIGGER problem..." post. Why do you constantly do that, instead of simply dealing with the topic at hand? You want to post about the problems on D, fine. Go make a post about that, instead of hijacking THIS thread which has NOTHING TO DO with the D.

[bmore_ken]

So yet again...instead of dealing with the topic at hand, you come in with another "Well I think a BIGGER problem..." post. Why do you constantly do that, instead of simply dealing with the topic at hand? You want to post about the problems on D, fine. Go make a post about that, instead of hijacking THIS thread which has NOTHING TO DO with the D.

Who made you President of the board? I'll post what I damn well please.

[jamesdean]

It's always the same old song and dance with this team. When they lose, Rice invariably gets under 20 carries. When they win, he's in the 25-30 range. For whatever reason, the master minds on offense never see the connection. It's almost comical. And once again, they'll look at the film and say, "man, we've got to get the ball in Ray Rice's hands more." And as if on cue, he'll rush 25-30 times in Washington this week and the Ravens will come out with a win. Too funny.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Who made you President of the board? I'll post what I damn well please.

You always do. And so do I. In this instance, calling you out on yet another one of your derailment attempts. The fact that you can't own up or even answer the most basic question as to WHY you insist on doing it says a lot about you, doesn't it?

[PEZ]

Alright you two - just shake hands and move on.

[BiggSeth]

You always do. And so do I. In this instance, calling you out on yet another one of your derailment attempts. The fact that you can't own up or even answer the most basic question as to WHY you insist on doing it says a lot about you, doesn't it?

...and by chasing him down the rabit hole, you further the derailment of the thread....

[mythoughts]

This again is why Cameron needs to go.
The Ravens lead the game for 75% of the time yet Flacco still threw the ball nearly 3-1 as much as Rice carried the ball.
And once again Flacco showed why he will NEVER be "Elite" - he will always be just an "Average Joe". He doesn't have, never had, and never will have the intangibles that make a player (at any position) GREAT. He has the talent to put together a spurt or two here and there but he will never be consistant. He has NEVER won more than 4 consecutive games.

But all this would be fine if Cam would develop and call a game plan based on that. But he decides to use a "Peyton Manning-type" game plan with an "Alex Smith-type" QB, when he should be using more of a "Adrian Peterson-type" game plan.

Flacco is no where near a Top 5 QB, the real questions is whether he's a Top-half QB - 15th, 16th or 17th best QB in the league.

I don't think the Ravens can necessarily get a better QB - maybe they can, maybe they can't, but there's no excuse for bad game plan design.

We are seeing this year just how well the Defense has carried the Ravens and Joe in the past. Now that the D is way down we're seeing proof that Joe isn't carry this team. Yeah, the team is 9-3, but would anyone be surprised if they were 3-9? They've found ways to win several games that they shouldn't have but realistically, how many teams have the Ravens outplayed this year.? 2.....maybe 3 ?

If the Ravens give Joe a big contract the Orioles will win a World Series before the Ravens win a Super Bowl.

[OriginalColtsFan]

It's always the same old song and dance with this team. When they lose, Rice invariably gets under 20 carries. When they win, he's in the 25-30 range. For whatever reason, the master minds on offense never see the connection. It's almost comical. And once again, they'll look at the film and say, "man, we've got to get the ball in Ray Rice's hands more." And as if on cue, he'll rush 25-30 times in Washington this week and the Ravens will come out with a win. Too funny.

There's a subtle wrinkle here, though. Pierce got 8 carries, and averaged 4.3 ypc, and Leach got 4 receptions. Those 12 touches, which normally might have gone to Rice, put the total at 24. And 1 pass to Rice (plus at least one drop by Rice) put the grand total at 25 or 26.

And frankly, watching Pierce run, I felt it was justified to give HIM some of "Ray's" touches. After all, it's a TEAM sport, not the Ray Rice show. So I think you have to factor the touches to Pierce and Leach into the equation. It's too simplistic, although tempting, to just say "The Ravens lost because Rice didn't get his 25 touches". There's just more to it than that. The fact that Cameron has NO CLUE how to construct a cohesive offensive plan for 4 quarters of football is painfully obvious, and THAT'S why the Ravens lost, along with crappy defensive play in the second half, and stupid coaching from Harbaugh.

[mythoughts]

There's a subtle wrinkle here, though. Pierce got 8 carries, and averaged 4.3 ypc, and Leach got 4 receptions. Those 12 touches, which normally might have gone to Rice put the total at 24. And frankly, watching Pierce run, I felt it was justified to give HIM some of "Ray's" touches. After all, it's a TEAM sport, not the Ray Rice show. So I think you have to factor the touches to Pierce and Leach into the equation, and that it's too simplistic to say "The Ravens lost because Rice didn't get his 25 touches". There's just more to it than that. The fact that Cameron has NO CLUE how to construct a cohesive offensive plan for 4 quarters of football is painfully obvious, and THAT'S why the Ravens lost, along with crappy defensive play in the second half, and stupid coaching from Harbaugh.

In a game you're leading for 75% of the game why are you throwing 34 times and running only 20?

[OriginalColtsFan]

...and by chasing him down the rabit hole, you further the derailment of the thread....

Oh well.

[OriginalColtsFan]

In a game you're leading for 75% of the game why are you throwing 34 times and running only 20?

It depends on what TYPE of throwing you're doing. The "Cameron Hail Mary 40 yard low percentage bombs" are the problem, not just the numbers. The Pats don't roll up the sidewalk just because they have a 7 point lead! It's ridiculous. The offense's job is TO SCORE POINTS, not manage the clock. It's the STUPID play calling by Cameron and the sub-elite WRs and O-line and Cameron's inability to work around those limitations, rather than trying to force square pegs in rounds holes that are the problem. Again...it's just too simplistic to keep banging on the mantra that the Ravens aren't running enough. The PROBLEM is that they're not doing the RIGHT things enough. IMO, of course. Your mileage may vary. Your whole mindset, though, is based upon the belief that Joe is simply not capable of doing more, so you bolster up the "WE MUST RUN AT ALL COSTS TO WIN" mantra. I don't believe that at all. Good teams would eat Ray Rice up alive, bottle him up, and force endless 3 and outs with your approach. You simply don't trust Flacco to get the job done. And I don't trust Cameron to get the job done. Our differences probably boil down to that.

(And be honest...if Smith had held onto that TD pass RIGHT IN HIS HANDS, and Boldin hadn't dropped 2 passes right in his hands, and if Smith hadn't dropped a very catchable pass in the first series, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about "too many passes", would we?)

[Captain Spaulding]

This again is why Cameron needs to go.
The Ravens lead the game for 75% of the time yet Flacco still threw the ball nearly 3-1 as much as Rice carried the ball.
And once again Flacco showed why he will NEVER be "Elite" - he will always be just an "Average Joe". He doesn't have, never had, and never will have the intangibles that make a player (at any position) GREAT. He has the talent to put together a spurt or two here and there but he will never be consistant. He has NEVER won more than 4 consecutive games.

But all this would be fine if Cam would develop and call a game plan based on that. But he decides to use a "Peyton Manning-type" game plan with an "Alex Smith-type" QB, when he should be using more of a "Adrian Peterson-type" game plan.

Flacco is no where near a Top 5 QB, the real questions is whether he's a Top-half QB - 15th, 16th or 17th best QB in the league.

I don't think the Ravens can necessarily get a better QB - maybe they can, maybe they can't, but there's no excuse for bad game plan design.

We are seeing this year just how well the Defense has carried the Ravens and Joe in the past. Now that the D is way down we're seeing proof that Joe isn't carry this team. Yeah, the team is 9-3, but would anyone be surprised if they were 3-9? They've found ways to win several games that they shouldn't have but realistically, how many teams have the Ravens outplayed this year.? 2.....maybe 3 ?

If the Ravens give Joe a big contract the Orioles will win a World Series before the Ravens win a Super Bowl.

Shhhhhh. You're not allowed to point this out.

How dare you point out something that is so painfully obvious to many of us that don't have our lips firmly implanted on Joe's nutsack....

[jamesdean]

There's a subtle wrinkle here, though. Pierce got 8 carries, and averaged 4.3 ypc, and Leach got 4 receptions. Those 12 touches, which normally might have gone to Rice, put the total at 24. And 1 pass to Rice (plus at least one drop by Rice) put the grand total at 25 or 26.

And frankly, watching Pierce run, I felt it was justified to give HIM some of "Ray's" touches. After all, it's a TEAM sport, not the Ray Rice show. So I think you have to factor the touches to Pierce and Leach into the equation. It's too simplistic, although tempting, to just say "The Ravens lost because Rice didn't get his 25 touches". There's just more to it than that. The fact that Cameron has NO CLUE how to construct a cohesive offensive plan for 4 quarters of football is painfully obvious, and THAT'S why the Ravens lost, along with crappy defensive play in the second half, and stupid coaching from Harbaugh.

I like the way Pierce runs with the ball-down hill and with some power. But the bottom line is that when Ray Rice touches the ball, he's a threat to go to the house. Pierce does not have that kind of ability and certainly not Leach. And there's no denying the Ravens won-lost record when Rice gets his 25-30 touches. I don't think it takes a Rhodes Scholar to see the connection but for some reason, the Ravens offensive coaching staff(mainly your buddy Cam Cameron) keeps coming back to the same dead end. I promise you, the Redskins will get a heavy dose of Rice. It's so predictable that it borders on absurdity.

[Fang]

And if the Ravens run the clock out with Ray Rice the other half of the fans would complain the Ravens don't have that killer instinct and they took their foot off the pedal.

At the end of the day if Michael Oher could block James Harrison and Flacco had some pocket awareness all would be fine. Cam can only call the plays. He can't block, pass and catch also.

[Tru Dat]

In a game you're leading for 75% of the game why are you throwing 34 times and running only 20?

My guess would be that the running game wasn't working.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I like the way Pierce runs with the ball-down hill and with some power. But the bottom line is that when Ray Rice touches the ball, he's a threat to go to the house. Pierce does not have that kind of ability and certainly not Leach. And there's no denying the Ravens won-lost record when Rice gets his 25-30 touches. I don't think it takes a Rhodes Scholar to see the connection but for some reason, the Ravens offensive coaching staff(mainly your buddy Cam Cameron) keeps coming back to the same dead end. I promise you, the Redskins will get a heavy dose of Rice. It's so predictable that it borders on absurdity.

I definitely disagree about Pierce's ability to take it to the house. He's just getting warmed up/fired up to the NFL. To my eye, Ray has lost a 1/2 step, and despite his TD on the draw, his other runs just were not that impressive, IMO. As far as you trying to make a causal relationship between Ray's "25 touches" stats and W/L's...that's always a slippery slope, and by no means a slam dunk, no matter how tempting it is to look at it that way.

[CajunRaven]

So yet again...instead of dealing with the topic at hand, you come in with another "Well I think a BIGGER problem..." post. Why do you constantly do that, instead of simply dealing with the topic at hand? You want to post about the problems on D, fine. Go make a post about that, instead of hijacking THIS thread which has NOTHING TO DO with the D.

Yeah, but Ken has a point. If the D plays well, we don't end up in this situation and the whole conversation changes. The play of the team on one side of the ball affects what happens on the other side.

[bmore_ken]

Yeah, but Ken has a point. If the D plays well, we don't end up in this situation and the whole conversation changes. The play of the team on one side of the ball affects what happens on the other side.

Exactly let's say you use Rice more in that game(which I don't disagree with) what difference does it make if when Pitt gets the ball, Batch is completing 15-20 yard passes to wide open receivers? Assuming They start keying on Rice(which is an adjustment I believe their DC would make if we ran Ray more regularly), we're still not stopping them on D.