WH: House Republican proposal "not balanced"

[flyboy56]

Well said, and unrefuted.

We are going over the cliff. People polled say the GOP will be blamed. Obama is sleeping well.

[Sagittarius]

Yes! We have an aging population. This aging population had plenty of time to prepare for the inevitable. Poor planning on their part is not an emergency on my part.

Let the old [deleted] die.

From my perspective my taxes are NOT historically low.

Quit spending MONEY WE DON'T HAVE!

Revenue my [deleted]! We used to shoot revenuers!

[Jeebus]

Tax "the rich" at 100% - take it all. How long will that fund the government at the current rate of spending?

Yep - even at a 100% tax rate for everyone over $250k, it still would not cover the budget deficit gap. We cannot tax our way out of this deficit.

Indeed, we have a spending problem. We have more than enough revenue coming in.

This isn't rocket science, even a squid brain should be able to understand such a simple concept as "don't spend more than you have."

Then again, it has continued to surprise me with depths of ignorance heretofore unimaginable....

[soulflower]

Tax "the rich" at 100% - take it all. How long will that fund the government at the current rate of spending?

Yep - even at a 100% tax rate for everyone over $250k, it still would not cover the budget deficit gap. We cannot tax our way out of this deficit.

Indeed, we have a spending problem. We have more than enough revenue coming in.

This isn't rocket science, even a squid brain should be able to understand such a simple concept as "don't spend more than you have."

Then again, it has continued to surprise me with depths of ignorance heretofore unimaginable....

100% tax rates aren't on the table so I'm not sure what your point is.

A modest tax increase isn't going to hurt anybody

[SemiAuto]

Hogwash. Taxes are historically low and we have an aging population.

The biggest contributors to our current deficit are the recent economic crisis and the Bush era tax cuts. Both of those can be summed up in one word - revenue.

Wrong. Revenue has almost entirely recovered from the recession and are near record levels. Spending is still outpacing revenue by over a trillion dollars a year.

You have a spending problem.

[gonzoliberal]

Looks like you guys got your talking points at the same place. "spending/problem/theater."

Boener, McConnel and the rest of "the right's" alternative betaverse are acting as if the election didn't happen.

America voted and rejected "the right's" vision of the future.

"The right" will try to pretend otherwise, stirring up the base and making headlines of a complacent whore press.

...and what happens in the whore press is echoed here; talking points and Faustian logic make up this betaverse. Do you believe ME or your lying eyes?!

[SemiAuto]

Obama and kosbots must think winning an election makes the spending problem moot. So there is definitely an alternative betaverse going on there. If anything, the complacent whore press is largely ignoring the spending problem. The GOP and DNC can argue about revenue all they want but if your lying eyes ignore the spending that they're up to then the oligarchy wins.

[Jeebus]

100% tax rates aren't on the table so I'm not sure what your point is.

A modest tax increase isn't going to hurt anybody

Well then let's include the 50% that pay no federal taxes now in the party.

Asking $250 a year (less than $5 per week) from the 50% (70 million filers) who don't pay any federal taxes wouldn't hurt anybody either.

Both are symbolic increases (the "rich tax" and my example) that are not going to fund the deficit, but would go a long way in the propaganda war being waged by both sides. The "rich" would get a tax increase, and the "takers" would be asked to pay a little as well.

And the answer to the problem is still spending cuts.

[Jeebus]

Boener, McConnel and the rest of "the right's" alternative betaverse are acting as if the election didn't happen.

America voted and rejected "the right's" vision of the future.

America voted to keep the Republicans in control of the House of Representatives, where (according to the Constitution) ALL spending bills must originate.

Back to the bong, Cheech.

[soulflower]

Obama and kosbots must think winning an election makes the spending problem moot. So there is definitely an alternative betaverse going on there. If anything, the complacent whore press is largely ignoring the spending problem. The GOP and DNC can argue about revenue all they want but if your lying eyes ignore the spending that they're up to then the oligarchy wins.

The Fiscal Cliff is still the deal that gets the most in spending cuts.

If you want to see spending cuts you should support going over the cliff

[soulflower]

Well then let's include the 50% that pay no federal taxes now in the party.

Asking $250 a year (less than $5 per week) from the 50% (70 million filers) who don't pay any federal taxes wouldn't hurt anybody either.

Both are symbolic increases (the "rich tax" and my example) that are not going to fund the deficit, but would go a long way in the propaganda war being waged by both sides. The "rich" would get a tax increase, and the "takers" would be asked to pay a little as well.

And the answer to the problem is still spending cuts.

So your solution is to raise taxes on the poor? Brilliant

Is any right-winger capable of thinking outside the box?

[gonzoliberal]

America voted to keep the Republicans in control of the House of Representatives, where (according to the Constitution) ALL spending bills must originate.

Back to the bong, Cheech.

And how many seats in the House did you lose?

Oh, and of course, anything you clowns come up with in the House has to be approved in the Senate, then signed by the preznit...

...but you knew all that.

Oh, and I prefer a small, brass pipe. Better taste and easier to clean.

Bongs are highly over-rated.

[SemiAuto]

The Fiscal Cliff is still the deal that gets the most in spending cuts.

If you want to see spending cuts you should support going over the cliff

The problem with going over the fiscal cliff is the mindless matter in which it is done. Like a junkie, you're better off going to rehab than going cold turkey.

[Creekman]

America voted to keep the Republicans in control of the House of Representatives, where (according to the Constitution) ALL spending bills must originate.

Back to the bong, Cheech.

Thanks to gerrymandering the Republicans control the House. But....the democrats received more votes then the Republicans. Again!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2096978.html

[soulflower]

The problem with going over the fiscal cliff is the mindless matter in which it is done. Like a junkie, you're better off going to rehab than going cold turkey.

The problem is, its easier to cut taxes than raise them.

So if I'm Obama, I'd let the tax rates go up for everyone and then vote on new tax cuts next year...

[Calamari]

The reason repubs are so eager to cut spending is because they know that will cause another recession.

[Phineas Finn]

Wrong. Revenue has almost entirely recovered from the recession and are near record levels. Spending is still outpacing revenue by over a trillion dollars a year.

You have a spending problem.

The experts you linked to claim that under President Obama federal spending has increased 27 percent.

Their graph shows that in 2009 federal spending was $3.517 trillion and $3.796 trillion in 2012; that's an increase $0.279 trillion, or 7.9 percent. If federal spending had increased by 27 percent, the 2012 total would be $4.462 trillion.

I don't know that I trust SayAnythingBlog.com. [of course if my math is wrong the egg is on my face]

[SemiAuto]

The experts you linked to claim that under President Obama federal spending has increased 27 percent.

Their graph shows that in 2009 federal spending was $3.517 trillion and $3.796 trillion in 2012; that's an increase $0.279 trillion, or 7.9 percent. If federal spending had increased by 27 percent, the 2012 total would be $4.462 trillion.

I don't know that I trust SayAnythingBlog.com. [of course if my math is wrong the egg is on my face]

I don't see how he got the 27% either but the fact still remains, spending is far and away the problem. Revenue has recovered from the recession yet spending still outpaces it.

There is no doubt about it. Spending is the problem.

[SemiAuto]

The problem is, its easier to cut taxes than raise them.

So if I'm Obama, I'd let the tax rates go up for everyone and then vote on new tax cuts next year...

Which leaves the problem of addiction to spending in place waiting for the next crisis to roll along.

Everyone fixated on revenue is missing the point.

[soulflower]

Which leaves the problem of addiction to spending in place waiting for the next crisis to roll along.

Everyone fixated on revenue is missing the point.

They are fixated on revenue because they've already agreed to 1 trillion in spending cuts