Hate crime? Black man kills Asian man by pushing him in front of subway train

[The Shadow]

Ahhh, the poor Old White Dude Victim Society.

Complaining often over the ever increasing number of White and Asian victims of black racism and violence would never even approach the long loud cries of complaining, b****ing and incessant whining, that the black 'whoa-is-me, gimme-dat' culture have turned into an incredibly profitable victim-hood industry. Guilt tripping whites through years of singing the Blues got Obama the White House.

Ahhh, the poor Old Black Brotha Victim Society.

[boink]

A Queens dad trying to protect fellow straphangers from a deranged man on a Times Square subway platform was hurled onto the tracks by the lunatic and fatally crushed by a train yesterday, cops and witnesses said.



Will Baracka or The Queen invite the widow to sit in the box at the SOTU address?

Will Rev Al, Jesse, Quannel X, or the usual group of hate mongers visit the family of the victim?

Don't hold your breath.

Under the current Zeitgeist, only white people commit hate crimes.

People of color, ennobled by eons of white racism, are simply incapable of such heinous acts.

[soulflower]

I agree as stated above that hate crimes have to go. Crime is crime. We cannot have special classes of victims and pretend to exact equal justice under the law. Having said that, I can only imagine who might have started this thread and the types of responses we'd be seeing if the victim was black and the perpetrator white, or even partially white like George Zimmerman. We'd have another national "discussion" on our hands.

That's a terrible assumption.

The only reason that the Zimmerman case got national attention is because Zimmerman wasn't charged for Martin's death initially. To people in other parts of the US who are not familiar with Stand Your Ground laws, it was shocking. If Zimmerman was arrested, charged, and then the charges were dropped later, I doubt the case would have gotten much attention outside of Florida.

[BlandFood]

Black men don't have psychological issues. All blacks that commit crime are 100% lucid when they do it.

With the disproportion one might think it's genetic.

[soulflower]

With the disproportion one might think it's genetic.

This may come as a surprise to you but the vast majority of blacks are not criminals.

[kandace]

With the disproportion one might think it's genetic.

Anyone who watches an old time Jim Cagney movie sees that the violent urban criminals of the day were "ethnic" Europeans such as Irish, Italians, Jews, etc. Their disproportionate criminality was cured by better economic opportuities, not genetic changes. Radical genetic changes don't occur within two or three generations. X-Men is not a documentary.

[flyboy56]

Most black crimes are black on black.

[BlandFood]

Anyone who watches an old time Jim Cagney movie sees that the violent urban criminals of the day were "ethnic" Europeans such as Irish, Italians, Jews, etc. Their disproportionate criminality was cured by better economic opportuities, not genetic changes. Radical genetic changes don't occur within two or three generations. X-Men is not a documentary.

Keyword MOVIES and crime wasn't near as rampant as it is today. Unfortunately it took WW2 to change economic opportunities and that might hold true for blacks today if they used that great white debils invention.... the modern condom.

[BlandFood]

This may come as a surprise to you but the vast majority of blacks are not criminals.

No kidding? Again that word I used............. disproportional.

[soulflower]

Keyword MOVIES and crime wasn't near as rampant as it is today.

In NYC and Chicago it was probably as bad then as it is today.

Everything goes in cycles. Back then it was the Irish, Italians, and Jewish immigrants doing most of the crime. Today it's Blacks and Hispanics. As Kandace pointed out, it's a matter of economics, not race or ethnicity...

[ms maggie]

Other than a hate crime/civil rights violation, what crimes are defendants charged in state court and later again in federal court for their actions in involving the "same criminal act"?

The article spells it out.

There is something called the "dual sovereignty doctrine" which permits state and federal prosecutions for the same crime without any issue of double jeopardy as a constitutional matter. This is true generally -- narcotics cases, organized crime cases, official corruption cases, etc.

[BlandFood]

In NYC and Chicago it was probably as bad then as it is today.

Everything goes in cycles. Back then it was the Irish, Italians, and Jewish immigrants doing most of the crime. Today it's Blacks and Hispanics. As Kandace pointed out, it's a matter of economics, not race or ethnicity...

According to this you're dead wrong.

http://chicagocrimescenes.blogspot.c...n-chicago.html

And as I pointed out the ebil debils invention might improve that plight.

Unfortunately it's getting worse across the spectrum, I don't blame economics I blame the decline of 2 parent households.

http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2010/...ace-1990-2010/

[soulflower]

According to this you're dead wrong.

http://chicagocrimescenes.blogspot.c...n-chicago.html

Did you read your link?

From your link:
"With the onset of national Prohibition in 1919, many of these immigrants gained lucrative employment in the bootlegging field, and for the first few years of the 1920s, at least, murder rates fell by nearly 50%. But as the various parts of Johnny Torrio's syndicate began falling apart in 1924, culminating in the murder of Torrio's north side associate Dion O'Banion, likely at the hand of his south side associates, the Genna brothers, Chicago's "Beer Wars" began, and the murder rate skyrocketed by 250% between 1923 and 1928. Also around the same time, the notoriously-violent Al Capone took over full control of Torrio's organization in 1925.

Even as Prohibition ended in 1931, murder rates remained high throughout the early 1930s, the worst years of the Great Depression, before falling below 5 per 100,000 in 1943. No doubt the massive mobilization of American men out of Chicago and into military companies in army barracks and overseas locations played no small role in the low murder rates of the early 1940s -- men have traditionally constituted the vast majority of both murderers and murder victims.

http://chicagocrimescenes.blogspot.c...n-chicago.html

Nice try...

[BlandFood]

Did you read your link?

From your link:
"With the onset of national Prohibition in 1919, many of these immigrants gained lucrative employment in the bootlegging field, and for the first few years of the 1920s, at least, murder rates fell by nearly 50%. But as the various parts of Johnny Torrio's syndicate began falling apart in 1924, culminating in the murder of Torrio's north side associate Dion O'Banion, likely at the hand of his south side associates, the Genna brothers, Chicago's "Beer Wars" began, and the murder rate skyrocketed by 250% between 1923 and 1928. Also around the same time, the notoriously-violent Al Capone took over full control of Torrio's organization in 1925.

Even as Prohibition ended in 1931, murder rates remained high throughout the early 1930s, the worst years of the Great Depression, before falling below 5 per 100,000 in 1943. No doubt the massive mobilization of American men out of Chicago and into military companies in army barracks and overseas locations played no small role in the low murder rates of the early 1940s -- men have traditionally constituted the vast majority of both murderers and murder victims.

http://chicagocrimescenes.blogspot.c...n-chicago.html

Nice try...

Just the facts.... the worst it got was 15 per 100k, in the 90's it was MORE than double that. It fell and is on the rise yet again.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

Lets try that ebil D word again

Trends by race
Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders

[jessup270]

The article spells it out.

That is what I said in my first post.

Hate crime/civil rights prosecutions allow defendants to be legally tried twice for what if basically the same criminal act and thereby circumvents double jeopardy under federal law.

Defendants are rarely charged with hate crimes when they are found guilty at the state level and get serious jail time.

[soulflower]

Just the facts.... the worst it got was 15 per 100k, in the 90's it was MORE than double that. It fell and is on the rise yet again.

The population of Chicago is much bigger today than it was during prohibition

Violent crime has decreased since the 90's

In the 1920's it was prohibition driving most of the violent crime. From the 70's to 80's it was Heroin and from the 80's to 90's it was Crack.

[BlandFood]

The population of Chicago is much bigger today than it was during prohibition

Violent crime has decreased since the 90's

In the 1920's it was prohibition driving most of the violent crime. From the 70's to 80's it was Heroin and from the 80's to 90's it was Crack.

Yes, look at the trend.... it's going UP yet again. The numbers are per 100K, do you want to research Gary, In?

It's even worse in filthydelphia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Philadelphia

Yes I know Wiki BUT the stats are FBI.

[soulflower]

Yes, look at the trend.... it's going UP yet again. The numbers are per 100K, do you want to research Gary, In?

It's even worse in filthydelphia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Philadelphia

Yes I know Wiki BUT the stats are FBI.

U.S. violent crime down for fifth straight year - October 2012

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justic...ime/index.html

[ms maggie]

That is what I said in my first post.

Hate crime/civil rights prosecutions allow defendants to be legally tried twice for what if basically the same criminal act and thereby circumvents double jeopardy under federal law.

Defendants are rarely charged with hate crimes when they are found guilty at the state level and get serious jail time.

Simply put, this is an issue, but not a new issue, and not a hate crimes or a civil rights issue. It is a general criminal law issue under our federal system of government and it is one that has been satisfactorily addressed for decades in practice and policy.

Do you have examples of crimes that where a defendant was found not guilty at the state level and then found guilty of a hate crime?

[jessup270]

Its does not matter what happens in America's worst crime ridden cities, city leaders can find a way to spin it into a positive turn of events.

Chicago used have to 900 murders a year, when the number only reaches 400 homicides, it was to herald the great gains that were made in reducing crime.

These folks seem to forget that many gunshot victims in today's crime ridden cities survive because of great advances in medical care for trauma victims.

It is not uncommon for 30 or more people to be shot over a weekend. A good spin doctor would say we have greatly improved in reducing violence, as the highest number in the past year was 35 for a weekend carnage.