Apparently Bosco is who Hallman thought they were

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Congrats to Hallman for correctly analyzing the Bosco team at the beginning of the year. As Gillytech summerized: "if they run the table, you will be wrong and if they lose a few games you will be right." Bosco now has 3 losses....I would say Hallman knows his high school football.


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Originally Posted by Hallman
Congrats to Gilman on a win over a Don Bosco team which is down this year and in rebuilding mode.

Kinda like CHC's biggest win in decades last season over one of the worst DeMatha teams ever?

I was going to predict this would be your response immediately after the game last night but for some reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt. In any event, it's left to be seen how bad Bosco really will be this year. Let's wait and see - if they run the table, you will be wrong and if they lose a few games you will be right.

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Congrats to Hallman for correctly analyzing the Bosco team at the beginning of the year. As Gillytech summerized: "if they run the table, you will be wrong and if they lose a few games you will be right." Bosco now has 3 losses....I would say Hallman knows his high school football.


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Originally Posted by Hallman
Congrats to Gilman on a win over a Don Bosco team which is down this year and in rebuilding mode.

Kinda like CHC's biggest win in decades last season over one of the worst DeMatha teams ever?

I was going to predict this would be your response immediately after the game last night but for some reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt. In any event, it's left to be seen how bad Bosco really will be this year. Let's wait and see - if they run the table, you will be wrong and if they lose a few games you will be right.

Season is over guy, you have a serious hard on for Gilman. FYI, Bosco lost both of those games without their best offensive player Daivon Ellison. He got hurt early in the first loss with a severe concussion and didn't play against Bergen.

[85Knight]

Season is over guy, you have a serious hard on for Gilman. FYI, Bosco lost both of those games without their best offensive player Daivon Ellison. He got hurt early in the first loss with a severe concussion and didn't play against Bergen.

C'mon now this does put a big dent in your "biggest win in Balto. history" theory. Bosco did not have that monster type year this year and Gilman's win over them was good but not history making. Sometimes you gotta call it what it is.

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C'mon now this does put a big dent in your "biggest win in Balto. history" theory. Bosco did not have that monster type year this year and Gilman's win over them was good but not history making. Sometimes you gotta call it what it is.

Like I said, Bosco played without their best offensive player. Take Shane away Gilman or Fuller away from GC, would they have lost to teams like St. Joe's and Bergen, hell yes! In fact, St. Joe's was beating GC until Fuller won the game on a 90 yard TD catch and great defensive play to win the game at the end of the 4th. So it's not black and white. Bosco didn't have the depth this year to lose a player like Ellison and beat those teams.

[85Knight]

Like I said, Bosco played without their best offensive player. Take Shane away Gilman or Fuller away from GC, would they have lost to teams like St. Joe's and Bergen, hell yes! In fact, St. Joe's was beating GC until Fuller won the game on a 90 yard TD catch and great defensive play to win the game at the end of the 4th. So it's not black and white. Bosco didn't have the depth this year to lose a player like Ellison and beat those teams.

Injuries and depth are what sometimes separates great teams from good ones. It takes talent and luck to be crowned great and Bosco didn't have it this year. I'm sure Bergen's not feeling sorry for them and willing to share the trophy if they win it. You play with who you got.

You say St. Joe's was beating GC until... Well Calvert Hall was beating Gilman until... What's the point? That's football. You're coming up with as many excuses as your boy eaglesinsider.

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Injuries and depth are what sometimes separates great teams from good ones. It takes talent and luck to be crowned great and Bosco didn't have it this year. I'm sure Bergen's not feeling sorry for them and willing to share the trophy if they win it. You play with who you got.

You say St. Joe's was beating GC until... Well Calvert Hall was beating Gilman until... What's the point? That's football. You're coming up with as many excuses as your boy eaglesinsider.

Fuller scored a 90 yard TD with a minute left in the game. St. Joes was beating GC the whole game!!

Come on now, nobody predicts injuries when you're making a prediction! If you told me that Bosco's best offensive player( who does everything for them and plays both ways) was going to be injured against Joe's and Bergen, I definitely would have said they would lose those games. Now you're being silly.

[85Knight]

Fuller scored a 90 yard TD with a minute left in the game. St. Joes was beating GC the whole game!!

Come on now, nobody predicts injuries when you're making a prediction! If you told me that Bosco's best offensive player( who does everything for them and plays both ways) was going to be injured against Joe's and Bergen, I definitely would have said they would lose those games. Now you're being silly.

Silly? When do we ever go through a game and line item every injury? Who was hurt for St. Joe's and Bergen? Do you even know? That's the same kind of one sided argument that eagles made about McDonogh and their change at qb. If Bosco had won you wouldn't be talking about injuries at all.

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Silly? When do we ever go through a game and line item every injury? Who was hurt for St. Joe's and Bergen? Do you even know? That's the same kind of one sided argument that eagles made about McDonogh and their change at qb. If Bosco had won you wouldn't be talking about injuries at all.

If any team loses their best player on offense and two way starter, that's a big thing. If you ever see any prediction I make at the beginning of the season? I always use the caveat Gilman should do so and so BARRING INJURY! Certain teams can lose certain players and survive because of depth but some can't. Ellison was the only player on offense who did anything against Gilman.

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[QUOTE=GREYHOUND ALUM;8213088]Fuller scored a 90 yard TD with a minute left in the game. St. Joes was beating GC the whole game!!

St. Joe's was not beating GC with a minute left in the game... Below is the box score from the Washington Post. GC scored 2 touchdowns in the 3rd Quarter for a total of 14.
Above I was complimenting Hallman on his prediction - he was obviously correct. Congratulations to you and Gilman on another great season! Please don't take post personal or as an offense to your school.


St. Joseph's (N.J.) GOOD COUNSEL
10 14
Conf. record: 6-0 Overall: 11-1

Scoring Summary
Quarter School Summary
3 Good Counsel O'Daniel 1 run (Strittmatter kick)
3 Good Counsel Fuller 98 pass from Marshall (Strittmatter kick)

[85Knight]

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Fuller scored a 90 yard TD with a minute left in the game. St. Joes was beating GC the whole game!!

St. Joe's was not beating GC with a minute left in the game... Below is the box score from the Washington Post. GC scored 2 touchdowns in the 3rd Quarter for a total of 14.
Above I was complimenting Hallman on his prediction - he was obviously correct. Congratulations to you and Gilman on another great season! Please don't take post personal or as an offense to your school.


St. Joseph's (N.J.) GOOD COUNSEL
10 14
Conf. record: 6-0 Overall: 11-1

Scoring Summary
Quarter School Summary
3 Good Counsel O'Daniel 1 run (Strittmatter kick)
3 Good Counsel Fuller 98 pass from Marshall (Strittmatter kick)

That's the point I was making about these one sided arguments when you bring up injuries and other facts without a view from the other side. Anybody can bring things up to make their argument but there's always more to the story. We can come up with all these excuses for Bosco but the bottom line is that they were not invicible this year and that's how it played out.

[Big Sky]

Congrats to Hallman for correctly analyzing the Bosco team at the beginning of the year. As Gillytech summerized: "if they run the table, you will be wrong and if they lose a few games you will be right." Bosco now has 3 losses....I would say Hallman knows his high school football.


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Originally Posted by Hallman
Congrats to Gilman on a win over a Don Bosco team which is down this year and in rebuilding mode.

Kinda like CHC's biggest win in decades last season over one of the worst DeMatha teams ever?

I was going to predict this would be your response immediately after the game last night but for some reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt. In any event, it's left to be seen how bad Bosco really will be this year. Let's wait and see - if they run the table, you will be wrong and if they lose a few games you will be right.

GA you cannot use a Injury as a excuse it is part of the game .
If Shane was hurt Gilman would still be Gilman and they still have the same record. Games would of been closer but a new star would appear. They always do, they just need to get the ball.
I do not know how many time you stated in the first game how it was Montgomery that torched Calvert Hall.
Next how in the heck Did CHC beat Gilman in 2011 when they lost their best back CJ the 3rd Play. I guess that makes the win even Bigger under your thought process.
Football is a team sport and Boscoe had plenty of athletes to run threw those wholes. I love skill players, But in the end 99% of the time its the big boys on the line (both sides) that determine the winner. The game is WON in the trenches!

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GA you cannot use a Injury as a excuse it is part of the game .
If Shane was hurt Gilman would still be Gilman and they still have the same record. Games would of been closer but a new star would appear. They always do, they just need to get the ball.
I do not know how many time you stated in the first game how it was Montgomery that torched Calvert Hall.
Next how in the heck Did CHC beat Gilman in 2011 when they lost their best back CJ the 3rd Play. I guess that makes the win even Bigger under your thought process.
Football is a team sport and Boscoe had plenty of athletes to run threw those wholes. I love skill players, But in the end 99% of the time its the big boys on the line (both sides) that determine the winner. The game is WON in the trenches!

You mean Blair, Montgomery is now at McDonogh. I have always been consistent, always said barring injuries when I predict games.

We all know that Bosco wasn't as deep this year as in years past. Nobody has ever doubted that. One thing I'm am sure of is this, when the Ellison kid played he first time Bosco and Bergen played, Bosco won and he had a huge game. And I know what happened when he didn't play. This can't be debated.

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GA, Ellison doesnt even play on Offense. Losing Ellison was not like losing a stud D1 player.. Ellison is a 5'9 175lb Sophomore.. The kid is not even offered yet (though he may be next year as a DB) Yes he was a bright spot for Bosco in a down year but on a young D, he doesnt play on O. Hanks was Bosco's best guy on O by far.. A better comparison would be Ellison being out would be like Blair being out for Gilman. Even then Blair would be a bigger loss for Gilman because he does play both ways. .. Like I said Bosco is not a top 50 team and is darn lucky for two muffed punts or they would have 5 losses...

[85Knight]

GA, Ellison doesnt even play on Offense. Losing Ellison was not like losing a stud D1 player.. Ellison is a 5'9 175lb Sophomore.. The kid is not even offered yet (though he may be next year as a DB) Yes he was a bright spot for Bosco in a down year but on a young D, he doesnt play on O. Hanks was Bosco's best guy on O by far.. A better comparison would be Ellison being out would be like Blair being out for Gilman. Even then Blair would be a bigger loss for Gilman because he does play both ways. .. Like I said Bosco is not a top 50 team and is darn lucky for two muffed punts or they would have 5 losses...

Game, set, match. Like I said there's always another side to the story when someone presents these one sided arguments. So much for this "best win in Balto. history" stuff.

[Jeebus]

So now we have GA caught in 2 different lies:

Fuller scored a 90 yard TD with a minute left in the game. St. Joes was beating GC the whole game!!

Which has been proved to be a lie, look at the box score of the game.

Ellison was the only player on offense who did anything against Gilman.

If any team loses their best player on offense and two way starter, that's a big thing.

harco slapped down that lie pretty quickly:

GA, Ellison doesnt even play on Offense. Losing Ellison was not like losing a stud D1 player.. Ellison is a 5'9 175lb Sophomore.. The kid is not even offered yet.

How can anyone believe anything this guy "GA" says?

[harcohorns]

Oh c'mon now . There is no reason to call anyone a liar.. Being wrong or misinformed are not lies. I don't believe GA knowingly and purposefully lied.. I believe in this case he has some confusion over who is who on Bosco.. No biggie.. GA "shoots from the hip" so he is going to be wrong sometimes.. it is what it is.. He just better not go on First Take anytime soon or he would get ate up ..Embrace Debate.. LOL...

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GA, Ellison doesnt even play on Offense. Losing Ellison was not like losing a stud D1 player.. Ellison is a 5'9 175lb Sophomore.. The kid is not even offered yet (though he may be next year as a DB) Yes he was a bright spot for Bosco in a down year but on a young D, he doesnt play on O. Hanks was Bosco's best guy on O by far.. A better comparison would be Ellison being out would be like Blair being out for Gilman. Even then Blair would be a bigger loss for Gilman because he does play both ways. .. Like I said Bosco is not a top 50 team and is darn lucky for two muffed punts or they would have 5 losses...

Since I was at the game, I am pretty sure Ellison ran the ball against Gilman with the other sophomore Phipps. Just because he isnt listed on the Bosco roster as a 2 way player doesn't mean he isn't, Maxpreps doesn't tell you everything. im speaking from me seeing the team play. But you're right, Phipps is the sophomore that's the better offensive player. I got the two confused. And yes he is a sophomore but he's a very good sophomore.

Muff punts are again apart of the game!! In fact, Bosco muffed two punts against St. Joes that lead to their first two scores.

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Since I was at the game, I am pretty sure Ellison ran the ball against Gilman with the other sophomore Phipps. Just because he isnt listed on the Bosco roster as a 2 way player doesn't mean he isn't, Maxpreps doesn't tell you everything. im speaking from me seeing the team play. But you're right, Phipps is the sophomore that's the better offensive player. I got the two confused. And yes he is a sophomore but he's a very good sophomore.

Muff punts are again apart of the game!! In fact, Bosco muffed two punts against St. Joes that lead to their first two scores.

Umm I watched 4 Bosco games this year. SO your saying Ellison played RB in the Gilman game? I guess I can't dispute that as I did not see that game but I think your confused... Ellison never played on Offense.. The starting RB is Elijah Ibitokun-Hanks a Junior.. Phipps spells him. Hanks was by far the best offensive player they had which isn't saying much as their O was not good.. .. As much as muffed punts are part of the game so is a starting CB being out injured... There is a difference between forced turn-overs and unforced turn-overs... Muffs are gifts... Ellison did recover the muffed punt in the first Bergen game ... I will give you that... regarding Maxpreps.. your right rankings and stuff is BS but the site is good for one thing, STATS and Bosco enters theirs... have a read at the Bosco vs Gilman stats.. I am still looking for Ellison's Offensive Stats..


http://www.maxpreps.com/contests/Ink...-baltimore.htm


Here are the season stats for the first 5 games (... Cant find a carry or reception...) Ellison did have a 1 pick and a 1 Sack(sack vs Gilman) though..

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools...ball/stats.htm


C'mon GA just admit you were wrong.. It's OK .. It happens to the best of us...

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Umm I watched 4 Bosco games this year. SO your saying Ellison played RB in the Gilman game? I guess I can't dispute that as I did not see that game but I think your confused... Ellison never played on Offense.. The starting RB is Elijah Ibitokun-Hanks a Junior.. Phipps spells him. Hanks was by far the best offensive player they had which isn't saying much as their O was not good.. .. As much as muffed punts are part of the game so is a starting CB being out injured... There is a difference between forced turn-overs and unforced turn-overs... Muffs are gifts... Ellison did recover the muffed punt in the first Bergen game ... I will give you that...

Yes against Gilman he played both ways. But I was confusing him with Phipps not Hanks. So you're right.

Muffs are gifts but still apart of the game. Offsides are gifts, but still happen right? I think Dunbar is about as talented a team as it gets in the state(more talented than your ECA boys) but its the little things like penalties and unforced turnovers, coaching that I believe makes them not an elite state team. The good teams take advantage of other teams mistakes. Bosco did that in their games.

As I have said all year, this year's National football is all about parity. Bosco loses to Gilman who loses to Good Counsel who loses to Gorman who loses to Bergen who loses to St. Joes who loses to Paramus who loses Bosco who loses to Bergen who loses to Bosco. That's all you need to know about football this year!!

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Yes against Gilman he played both ways. But I was confusing him with Phipps not Hanks. So you're right.!!

Your sure about that? I guess the Bosco scorekeeper was confused.. but you did say I was right.. so I will take that..