"The 2nd amendment was devised with muskets in mind, not high-powered handguns..."

[TheResearcher]

http://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...d.php?t=272858

"Piers Morgan: The 2nd amendment was devised with muskets in mind, not high-powered handguns & assault rifles. fact.

Carol Roth: It was devised 4 people 2b able to protect themselves w same type of weaponry used by those from whom they might need protection.

Piers Morgan: Where exactly does it say that in the Constitution - must have missed it?

Carol Roth: right next to the word "musket""

[The Eternal White Belt]

Zing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flyboy56]

The 2nd amendment was written at a time that the most powerful weapons being used were muskets. And if the weapons of that day had been high powered rifles, I'm guessing they still would have passed the 2nd amendment just like they are continuing to support it today. Piers Morgan is a European who tries to think like an American. That's like a woman trying to think like a man.

[WKDWZD]

The 2nd amendment was written at a time that the most powerful weapons being used were muskets. And if the weapons of that day had been high powered rifles, I'm guessing they still would have passed the 2nd amendment just like they are continuing to support it today. Piers Morgan is a European who tries to think like an American. That's like a woman trying to think like a man.

I'm going to give you that one because it's a fair comment. Please remember this the next time an American pro-gunner brings up British gun laws in defence of their own.

[bullmikey]

Please remember this the next time an American pro-gunner brings up British gun laws in defence of their own.

“A martial nobility and stubborn commons, possessed of arms, tenacious of property, and collected into constitutional assemblies, form the only balance capable of preserving a free constitution against enterprises of an aspiring prince.”

____ Edward Gibbon

It would seem you Brits were once of a similiar mind.

[flyboy56]

I'm going to give you that one because it's a fair comment. Please remember this the next time an American pro-gunner brings up British gun laws in defence of their own.

Agreed. If it is not in the British constitution Americans have no business telling them they should add it. And visa-versa.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

For those that say that the founding fathers never visualized assault weapons, assault weapons are exactly what the founding fathers had in mind for the second amendment. Remember, these guys were against a standing army because they'd seen them used to keep the general population, (read that as revenue sources), in line.

It is ironic to me that the very people who guffaw at the thought of an armed populace defending their civil rights against a growing tyrannical government, are the same ones who tell America to leave Afghanistan because it can’t win against an opponent armed with crappy old weapons, (with the exception of a few aging Soviet heavy weapons).

What they don't understand is that "Kentucky long rifles”, used by the farmers and hunters of Lexington & Concord, with their rifled barrels, longer ranges and higher muzzle velocities than comparable military muskets (British Brown Bess), WERE the assault rifles of their day. The British thought it “terribly unsporting” for the Colonials to avoid linear combat like any noble gentlemen would do and pot away from outside their musket range with those “damnable” long rifles.

[flyboy56]

Americans, you won the coin toss. Therefore, you WILL NOT wear bright colored uniforms, and you WILL hide behind trees and fire your long rifles at the British troops who WILL be wearing bright red uniforms while marching in a formation down open roads, using muskets that have an accuracy of a sawed off shot gun shooting at a target 10 yards away.

[WKDWZD]

Americans, you won the coin toss. Therefore, you WILL NOT wear bright colored uniforms, and you WILL hide behind trees and fire your long rifles at the British troops who WILL be wearing bright red uniforms while marching in a formation down open roads, using muskets that have an accuracy of a sawed off shot gun shooting at a target 10 yards away.

... And when the French "surrender monkeys" come to your aid, your combined strength will eventually defeat the 'redcoats'.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

... And when the French "surrender monkeys" come to your aid, your combined strength will eventually defeat the 'redcoats'.

The reality was that the "Americas" were pretty much a sideshow. The colonists actually had many sympathizers in Parliament. That's partly the reason the King (who was German anyway) was using Hessian (actually most of the Germans weren't even from Hesse, most were from other provinces) mercenaries. It costs a lot of money to keep an army up that is basically standing around drilling. Renting them out is cost effective. Problem was, for the German states anyway, a lot of the Germans stayed here after the war. They got along well with the Pennsylvania Dutch.

France was the main enemy of England.

[flyboy56]

... And when the French "surrender monkeys" come to your aid, your combined strength will eventually defeat the 'redcoats'.

Sorry to hear you Brits didn't have many friends back then WKDWZD. Just a guess, but do your initials stand for Wicked Wizard?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

... And when the French "surrender monkeys" come to your aid, your combined strength will eventually defeat the 'redcoats'.

You'll never hear me call them that.
The French army rear guard at Dunkirk has been likened to the Spartans at Thermopylae.
Never confuse French soldiers with their government or leadership.

[WKDWZD]

The reality was that the "Americas" were pretty much a sideshow. The colonists actually had many sympathizers in Parliament. That's partly the reason the King (who was German anyway) was using Hessian (actually most of the Germans weren't even from Hesse, most were from other provinces) mercenaries. It costs a lot of money to keep an army up that is basically standing around drilling. Renting them out is cost effective. Problem was, for the German states anyway, a lot of the Germans stayed here after the war. They got along well with the Pennsylvania Dutch.

France was the main enemy of England.

A post that I can not argue with too much. The truth is that had the 'patriots' waited for a few more years, England, couldn't afford King george's dream and, parliament would have given them their wishes without all the bloodshed. And you are right about the French, they didn't fight for the US, they fought for themselves against their arch enemy, who they saw as being at full stretch.

It's refreshing to know that someone from that side of the pond has actually a grasp of the true history of the war of independance and who's opinion isn't conditioned by Jingoism and hubris.

[ivanbalt]

I'm going to give you that one because it's a fair comment. Please remember this the next time an American pro-gunner brings up British gun laws in defence of their own.

The British do what's best for them (although a few shotguns may have come in handy during the riots. ). The US is a different country with a much larger population and a much different mindset. We do what's best for us.

[WKDWZD]

You'll never hear me call them that.
The French army rear guard at Dunkirk has been likened to the Spartans at Thermopylae.
Never confuse French soldiers with their government or leadership.

I don't, a brief glimpse of history will show to anyone that the French are anything but "surrender monkeys", I used the term sarcastically because it is an Americanism.

[flyboy56]

If the French didn't like Americans then why did they give us the Statue of Liberty? Oh wait, all the poor and hungry are coming our way...damn Frenchies!

[flyboy56]

I still prefer freedom fries.

[WKDWZD]

Sorry to hear you Brits didn't have many friends back then WKDWZD. Just a guess, but do your initials stand for Wicked Wizard?

Same as you Yanks now, we Brits then didn't need friends.

Your guess is correct but I suspect that you don't understand the meaning intended.

[WKDWZD]

The British do what's best for them (although a few shotguns may have come in handy during the riots. ). The US is a different country with a much larger population and a much different mindset. We do what's best for us.

Spot on!

[flyboy56]

Same as you Yanks now, we Brits then didn't need friends.

Your guess is correct but I suspect that you don't understand the meaning intended.

When I meet the Wizard
Once I prove my worth
And then I meet the Wizard
What I've waited for since: since birth!
And with all his Wizard wisdom
By my looks, he won't be blinded
Do you think the Wizard is dumb?
Or, like Munchkins, so small-minded?
No! He'll say to me,
"I see who you truly are -
A girl on whom I can rely!"
And that's how we'll begin
The Wizard and I: