State Poll - Final

[JustMyThought]

Maryland High School Football Media State Poll

FREDERICK -- The Maryland High School Football State Poll, in its 23rd year, is based on a statewide voting by sports reporters. Schools are ranked by points received. The number in parenthesis reflects first-place votes. LW is last week’s ranking. The rankings are compiled by Sheldon Shealer. These are the final rankings for the 2012 season.

Rank, School, Record, Points, LW

1. Good Counsel (12), 11-1, 300, 1
2. Gilman, 9-2, 288, 2
3. Wise, 14-0, 274, 3
4. River Hill, 14-0, 259, 4
5. DeMatha, 9-3, 248, 7
6. Middletown, 14-0, 241, 11
7. Calvert Hall, 9-3, 226, 8
8. Quince Orchard, 12-2, 221, 10
9. Westminster, 12-1, 206, 12
10. Huntingtown, 12-2, 185, 16
11. St. Paul’s, 11-0, 162, 17
12. Dunbar, 13-1, 151, 15
13. Walkersville, 10-2, 149, 14
14. Urbana, 9-4, 141, 20
15. Damascus, 10-1, 117, 5
16. Seneca Valley, 10-2, 104, 9
17. Douglass-PG, 12-2, 103, NR
18. Milford Mill, 11-2, 96, NR
19. Franklin, 10-2, 81, 13
20. Meade, 10-3, 77, NR
21. Arundel, 10-1, 70, 6
22. Atholton, 10-2, 60, NR
23. Gwynn Park, 10-2, 32, 24
24. Old Mill, 9-3, 28, NR
25. Suitland, 10-2, 21, 22

Others Receiving Votes: Northwestern-PG (9-1*, 20 points), Patuxent (8-3, 11), South River (8-3, 7), Edmondson (11-2, 4), Sherwood (8-3, 4), McDonough (9-2, 4), North Point (7-3, 3), Westlake (8-3, 2), St. Frances Academy (10-0, 2), Frederick (7-3, 1), New Town (11-3, 1), Perryville (12-1, 1)

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

The pollsters definitely got it right this time.

[85Knight]

The pollsters definitely got it right this time.

Are you referring to Gilman being no. 2 or Calvert Hall being no. 7? Or both?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Are you referring to Gilman being no. 2 or Calvert Hall being no. 7? Or both?

Well I agree with both. But more talking about the Top 10. I agree with that.

[Mtown Knight]

Maryland High School Football Media State Poll

FREDERICK -- The Maryland High School Football State Poll, in its 23rd year, is based on a statewide voting by sports reporters. Schools are ranked by points received. The number in parenthesis reflects first-place votes. LW is last week’s ranking. The rankings are compiled by Sheldon Shealer. These are the final rankings for the 2012 season.

Rank, School, Record, Points, LW

1. Good Counsel (12), 11-1, 300, 1
2. Gilman, 9-2, 288, 2
3. Wise, 14-0, 274, 3
4. River Hill, 14-0, 259, 4
5. DeMatha, 9-3, 248, 7
6. Middletown, 14-0, 241, 11
7. Calvert Hall, 9-3, 226, 8
8. Quince Orchard, 12-2, 221, 10
9. Westminster, 12-1, 206, 12
10. Huntingtown, 12-2, 185, 16
11. St. Paul’s, 11-0, 162, 17
12. Dunbar, 13-1, 151, 15
13. Walkersville, 10-2, 149, 14
14. Urbana, 9-4, 141, 20
15. Damascus, 10-1, 117, 5
16. Seneca Valley, 10-2, 104, 9
17. Douglass-PG, 12-2, 103, NR
18. Milford Mill, 11-2, 96, NR
19. Franklin, 10-2, 81, 13
20. Meade, 10-3, 77, NR
21. Arundel, 10-1, 70, 6
22. Atholton, 10-2, 60, NR
23. Gwynn Park, 10-2, 32, 24
24. Old Mill, 9-3, 28, NR
25. Suitland, 10-2, 21, 22

Others Receiving Votes: Northwestern-PG (9-1*, 20 points), Patuxent (8-3, 11), South River (8-3, 7), Edmondson (11-2, 4), Sherwood (8-3, 4), McDonough (9-2, 4), North Point (7-3, 3), Westlake (8-3, 2), St. Frances Academy (10-0, 2), Frederick (7-3, 1), New Town (11-3, 1), Perryville (12-1, 1)

Can't argue with top ten either. Couple of observations: Damascus and Arundel big losers. Dropping 10 & 15 spots respectively. Looks like Arundel took the bigger hit for the first round loss. Don't know anything about St. Paul, one spot better than Dunbar.?.? Only 3 privates in the top 25 from Baltimore area, can't speak much for the level of play in the rest of the conference.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Can't argue with top ten either. Couple of observations: Damascus and Arundel big losers. Dropping 10 & 15 spots respectively. Looks like Arundel took the bigger hit for the first round loss. Don't know anything about St. Paul, one spot better than Dunbar.?.? Only 3 privates in the top 25 from Baltimore area, can't speak much for the level of play in the rest of the conference.

St. Paul's was very very good. I think a game against Dunbar would have been a very good one that I give a slight edge to St. Paul's.

[Oil Can]

Can we go back in time and look at the pre season poll from March?? It's this kind of stuff that makes Oil Can the most objective poster on this board year in and year out. He can't help it. He can only tell it like it is. Thats just the way he was built.

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Originally Posted by JustMyThought
And the Top 25 teams

1) Good Counsel (140)
2) Gilman (83)
3) Eastern Christian (62)
4) Wise (61)
5) McNamara (60)
6) Quince Orchard (51)
7) Damascus (47)
8) Douglass-PG (43)
9) DeMatha (42)
10) Suitland (41)
11) Dunbar (40)
12) Calvert Hall (40)
13) McDonough (36)
14) MSJ (32)
15) Arundel (31)
16) Seneca Valley (28)
17) Georgetown Prep (28)
18) Sherwood (27)
19) Perryville (26)
20) Franklin (26)
21) South River (26)
22) Thomas Johnson (26)
23) Northwestern-PG (25)
24) Glenelg (25)
25) Wilde Lake (22)



HM : AACS, Boonsboro, Brunswick, Catonsville, Churchill, Forestville, John Carroll, Liberty, Linganore, Loyola, McDonogh, Meade, Middletown, North Hagerstown, Old Mill, Paint Branch, Patterson Mill, Patuxent, Perry Hall, River Hill, South Hagerstown, Urbana, Walkersville, Westminster, Wicomico

Sorry guys. I was on hiatus when JMT tried to sneak this pre-season top 25 through without me noticing. It looks like all the usual suspects with the glaring omission of the defending 3A State Champions. The same football program that has played for four state championships in the past 6 years, winning 3 and just missing on playing for two more by a field goal in 2009 and a first down in overtime in 2010. Four MoCo teams got love before the first HoCo team received any? The MoCo poster child DMass received it’s annual pre-season top ten ranking even though they lost to Wilde Lake (fourth place finisher in HoCo) in 2010 and got running clocked by the team that RH running clocked in the 3A Championship Game in 2011. Four losses in 2011 (all to MoCo teams?) couldn’t keep Sherwood from getting recognized. PG’s Douglas, who was running clocked by Middletown in the 2A championship game, clocked in @ #8 and Middletown is nowhere to be found? Northwestern? South River? Are you kidding me? Glenelg and Wilde Lake deserved to be recognized considering that HoCo will rank near the top when JMT gets around to publishing his statistics that show which counties are the toughest but Glenelg hasn’t beaten River Hill in over 10 years and RH running clocked Wilde Lake to start their 10 game winning streak that remains intact. Everybody knows that preseason rankings aren’t worth the paper they are written on but they are at least an opportunity for the pollsters to recognize programs who have accomplished the most in the recent past instead of those that have accomplished nothing. If you don’t think RH will be in the mix next year you have your head stuck in the same hole these pollsters do. Bring on the scrimmages!

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Last edited by Oil Can; 03-24-2012 at 03:08 PM.

[85Knight]

Can we go back in time and look at the pre season poll from March?? It's this kind of stuff that makes Oil Can the most objective poster on this board year in and year out. He can't help it. He can only tell it like it is. Thats just the way he was built.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMyThought
And the Top 25 teams

1) Good Counsel (140)
2) Gilman (83)
3) Eastern Christian (62)
4) Wise (61)
5) McNamara (60)
6) Quince Orchard (51)
7) Damascus (47)
8) Douglass-PG (43)
9) DeMatha (42)
10) Suitland (41)
11) Dunbar (40)
12) Calvert Hall (40)
13) McDonough (36)
14) MSJ (32)
15) Arundel (31)
16) Seneca Valley (28)
17) Georgetown Prep (28)
18) Sherwood (27)
19) Perryville (26)
20) Franklin (26)
21) South River (26)
22) Thomas Johnson (26)
23) Northwestern-PG (25)
24) Glenelg (25)
25) Wilde Lake (22)



HM : AACS, Boonsboro, Brunswick, Catonsville, Churchill, Forestville, John Carroll, Liberty, Linganore, Loyola, McDonogh, Meade, Middletown, North Hagerstown, Old Mill, Paint Branch, Patterson Mill, Patuxent, Perry Hall, River Hill, South Hagerstown, Urbana, Walkersville, Westminster, Wicomico

Sorry guys. I was on hiatus when JMT tried to sneak this pre-season top 25 through without me noticing. It looks like all the usual suspects with the glaring omission of the defending 3A State Champions. The same football program that has played for four state championships in the past 6 years, winning 3 and just missing on playing for two more by a field goal in 2009 and a first down in overtime in 2010. Four MoCo teams got love before the first HoCo team received any? The MoCo poster child DMass received it’s annual pre-season top ten ranking even though they lost to Wilde Lake (fourth place finisher in HoCo) in 2010 and got running clocked by the team that RH running clocked in the 3A Championship Game in 2011. Four losses in 2011 (all to MoCo teams?) couldn’t keep Sherwood from getting recognized. PG’s Douglas, who was running clocked by Middletown in the 2A championship game, clocked in @ #8 and Middletown is nowhere to be found? Northwestern? South River? Are you kidding me? Glenelg and Wilde Lake deserved to be recognized considering that HoCo will rank near the top when JMT gets around to publishing his statistics that show which counties are the toughest but Glenelg hasn’t beaten River Hill in over 10 years and RH running clocked Wilde Lake to start their 10 game winning streak that remains intact. Everybody knows that preseason rankings aren’t worth the paper they are written on but they are at least an opportunity for the pollsters to recognize programs who have accomplished the most in the recent past instead of those that have accomplished nothing. If you don’t think RH will be in the mix next year you have your head stuck in the same hole these pollsters do. Bring on the scrimmages!

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Last edited by Oil Can; 03-24-2012 at 03:08 PM.

River Hill not being in the preseason top 25 had to be a typo. Not even our pollsters are that dumb.

[Oil Can]

River Hill not being in the preseason top 25 had to be a typo. Not even our pollsters are that dumb.

Wasn't a typo cause they spelled RH and Middletown correctly as honorable mention's. Look again.

[hssports]

The pollsters definitely got it right this time.

Can't argue with this poll....might move River Hill to 3 just based on the fact they are repeat champions. Otherwise pretty good.........

[85Knight]

Wasn't a typo cause they spelled RH and Middletown correctly as honorable mention's. Look again.

Yeah I know I was being sarcastic. Those two programs have been as consistent as any to go from state champs to completely out of the top 25 the next year. The keyword being programs.

[redrhyme]

I'm going to be much more respectful of Oil Can's future posts. Next year I want a football astrology palm reading as accurate as the one OC got preseason. I generally agree with the Maryland final top ten list but I think Wise/Gilman/'Council are game day tossups. What impressed me about all the top programs was how big, fast, disciplined, and well coached these teams are.

[Mtown Knight]

Can we go back in time and look at the pre season poll from March?? It's this kind of stuff that makes Oil Can the most objective poster on this board year in and year out. He can't help it. He can only tell it like it is. Thats just the way he was built.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMyThought
And the Top 25 teams

1) Good Counsel (140)
2) Gilman (83)
3) Eastern Christian (62)
4) Wise (61)
5) McNamara (60)
6) Quince Orchard (51)
7) Damascus (47)
8) Douglass-PG (43)
9) DeMatha (42)
10) Suitland (41)
11) Dunbar (40)
12) Calvert Hall (40)
13) McDonough (36)
14) MSJ (32)
15) Arundel (31)
16) Seneca Valley (28)
17) Georgetown Prep (28)
18) Sherwood (27)
19) Perryville (26)
20) Franklin (26)
21) South River (26)
22) Thomas Johnson (26)
23) Northwestern-PG (25)
24) Glenelg (25)
25) Wilde Lake (22)



HM : AACS, Boonsboro, Brunswick, Catonsville, Churchill, Forestville, John Carroll, Liberty, Linganore, Loyola, McDonogh, Meade, Middletown, North Hagerstown, Old Mill, Paint Branch, Patterson Mill, Patuxent, Perry Hall, River Hill, South Hagerstown, Urbana, Walkersville, Westminster, Wicomico

Sorry guys. I was on hiatus when JMT tried to sneak this pre-season top 25 through without me noticing. It looks like all the usual suspects with the glaring omission of the defending 3A State Champions. The same football program that has played for four state championships in the past 6 years, winning 3 and just missing on playing for two more by a field goal in 2009 and a first down in overtime in 2010. Four MoCo teams got love before the first HoCo team received any? The MoCo poster child DMass received it’s annual pre-season top ten ranking even though they lost to Wilde Lake (fourth place finisher in HoCo) in 2010 and got running clocked by the team that RH running clocked in the 3A Championship Game in 2011. Four losses in 2011 (all to MoCo teams?) couldn’t keep Sherwood from getting recognized. PG’s Douglas, who was running clocked by Middletown in the 2A championship game, clocked in @ #8 and Middletown is nowhere to be found? Northwestern? South River? Are you kidding me? Glenelg and Wilde Lake deserved to be recognized considering that HoCo will rank near the top when JMT gets around to publishing his statistics that show which counties are the toughest but Glenelg hasn’t beaten River Hill in over 10 years and RH running clocked Wilde Lake to start their 10 game winning streak that remains intact. Everybody knows that preseason rankings aren’t worth the paper they are written on but they are at least an opportunity for the pollsters to recognize programs who have accomplished the most in the recent past instead of those that have accomplished nothing. If you don’t think RH will be in the mix next year you have your head stuck in the same hole these pollsters do. Bring on the scrimmages!

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Last edited by Oil Can; 03-24-2012 at 03:08 PM.

Would be nice when JMT posts his stats on who the toughest counties are in 2012, if he could include his stats from 2011 so we can see which counties are playin top competition year in and year out. For that matter, include 2010 for a 3 year snapshot. Then we will all know if preseason poll of 2013 is legit or bogus.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I'm going to be much more respectful of Oil Can's future posts. Next year I want a football astrology palm reading as accurate as the one OC got preseason. I generally agree with the Maryland final top ten list but I think Wise/Gilman/'Council are game day tossups. What impressed me about all the top programs was how big, fast, disciplined, and well coached these teams are.

Game day toss ups? Wise wouldn't score on GC or Gilman. Wise would be a game day toss up with the other three State Champions.

[Outside Looking In]

Game day toss ups? Wise wouldn't score on GC or Gilman. Wise would be a game day toss up with the other three State Champions.

Do you believe the things that you write? You do not think that Wise would score on Gilman? Have you seen how big and fast they are? I think they would go double tight Power I and run the ball against Gilman. I dont thhin they win but they would definitely score. I think you underestimate the really good publics because you live in a private school bubble.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Do you believe the things that you write? You do not think that Wise would score on Gilman? Have you seen how big and fast they are? I think they would go double tight Power I and run the ball against Gilman. I dont thhin they win but they would definitely score. I think you underestimate the really good publics because you live in a private school bubble.

I think Wise offense was worse than Gilman's offense. I was very unimpressed with them and although they were big, Gilman has played bigger faster teams. In fact McDonogh's OL was bigger and overall team speed faster than Wise wib a MUCH BETTER OFFENSE. Wise wouldn't beat CHC or the end of the year McDonogh team. So no, I don't think Wise would score against Gilman. The most balanced public school team in the state I feel was River Hill.

[DayWalker]

I think Wise offense was worse than Gilman's offense. I was very unimpressed with them and although they were big, Gilman has played bigger faster teams. In fact McDonogh's OL was bigger and overall team speed faster than Wise wib a MUCH BETTER OFFENSE. Wise wouldn't beat CHC or the end of the year McDonogh team. So no, I don't think Wise would score against Gilman. The most balanced public school team in the state I feel was River Hill.

No average or better private and public school has an offense worse than Gilman. Shane take the snap and run right. Shane take the snap and run left. Shane take the snap and run up the middle IS NOT OFFENSE to me GA. The Glman offense is as bad or perhaps worse than the time I walked into a room and saw my grandmother naked, yuk!!! For a team with the best of everything at nearly every position, Gilman just does not impressed me as something no one can touch.

[living the dream]

No average or better private and public school has an offense worse than Gilman. Shane take the snap and run right. Shane take the snap and run left. Shane take the snap and run up the middle IS NOT OFFENSE to me GA. The Glman offense is as bad or perhaps worse than the time I walked into a room and saw my grandmother naked, yuk!!! For a team with the best of everything at nearly every position, Gilman just does not impressed me as something no one can touch.

Look, nobody on here believes what GA says. He has been caught in multiple lies (this week alone), he makes stupid comments and expects us to continue to believe his lies only b/c he says them so definitively. Wise would score on Gilman and give them a good game. If Wise played Calvert Hall and McDonogh 10 times they would probably win half of them. Gilman did nothing to prove they are any better than Wise, Quince Orchard, River Hill or Middletown this year. I say it again, North Point, a MD public school that did not even make the playoffs beat Friendship Academy worse than Bergen Catholic did. Bergen Catholic beat the only good team that Gilman beat this year. This all said, only a pompous a-hole (GA) could make the assumption that a team that would kill North Point (Wise) couldn't score on Gilman.

[Oil Can]

I'm going to be much more respectful of Oil Can's future posts. Next year I want a football astrology palm reading as accurate as the one OC got preseason. I generally agree with the Maryland final top ten list but I think Wise/Gilman/'Council are game day tossups. What impressed me about all the top programs was how big, fast, disciplined, and well coached these teams are.

You know what I'm getting tired of? I'm getting tired of Good Counsel. The Pros from Dover. Lose on TV and make us all look bad, barely squeak by a couple of overated opponents and then coast to a number 1 ranking in the state?? Who made them untouchable? The same guys that made RH and Middltown HM's in the pre season poll? If GC tries to pull that crap again next year they better get bumped for one of the undefeated teams that actually had to finish a season. Send a message.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

No average or better private and public school has an offense worse than Gilman. Shane take the snap and run right. Shane take the snap and run left. Shane take the snap and run up the middle IS NOT OFFENSE to me GA. The Glman offense is as bad or perhaps worse than the time I walked into a room and saw my grandmother naked, yuk!!! For a team with the best of everything at nearly every position, Gilman just does not impressed me as something no one can touch.

Gilman only had about 5 plays and that was probably 2 plays more than what Wise ran. No one said that no one couldn't touch Gilman, just not any public school in the state. Gilman lost to the only school in the state that could beat them and that was GC. Next year could be a different story. Gilman loses a lot on defense, so talk to me then.