State Poll - Final

[carpediem]

I still believe River Hill gives you a game. I wont argue that gilman overall has the better players but that does not mean you have the better team. I think RH had a good defense and a good coaching staff. They would only have to devise a plan to stop 1 player trying to make all the plays (all 5?). Gilmans defense is good but again I think RH had the weapons this year that they could spread the ball around enough to break some plays and score on your vaunted D.
I think Gilman gets out coached by the RH coaches. The young men on both sides of the ball play their hearts out and the game could go either way.

Now you do not have to reply with the same 21 point and second and third string stuff we have heard it all before. You saying it does not make it so just as me stating the above does not make it so. I think overall you have way to high an opinion of your private school world. I like many people on here think the better publics would give the Privates a game ,to include Gilman. Just my opinion

Opinions are like a....holes everyone has one!!! I just bared mine! Respect

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

No average or better private and public school has an offense worse than Gilman. Shane take the snap and run right. Shane take the snap and run left. Shane take the snap and run up the middle IS NOT OFFENSE to me GA. The Glman offense is as bad or perhaps worse than the time I walked into a room and saw my grandmother naked, yuk!!! For a team with the best of everything at nearly every position, Gilman just does not impressed me as something no one can touch.

I still believe River Hill gives you a game. I wont argue that gilman overall has the better players but that does not mean you have the better team. I think RH had a good defense and a good coaching staff. They would only have to devise a plan to stop 1 player trying to make all the plays (all 5?). Gilmans defense is good but again I think RH had the weapons this year that they could spread the ball around enough to break some plays and score on your vaunted D.
I think Gilman gets out coached by the RH coaches. The young men on both sides of the ball play their hearts out and the game could go either way.

Now you do not have to reply with the same 21 point and second and third string stuff we have heard it all before. You saying it does not make it so just as me stating the above does not make it so. I think overall you have way to high an opinion of your private school world. I like many people on here think the better publics would give the Privates a game ,to include Gilman. Just my opinion

Opinions are like a....holes everyone has one!!! I just bared mine! Respect

It's your opinion, I respect it even if its not realistic. Gilman wouldn't beat RH by 21, it would be a running clock.

[DayWalker]

It's your opinion, I respect it even if its not realistic. Gilman wouldn't beat RH by 21, it would be a running clock.

It's your opinion, I respect it even if its not realistic.

[hssports]

Can we go back in time and look at the pre season poll from March?? It's this kind of stuff that makes Oil Can the most objective poster on this board year in and year out. He can't help it. He can only tell it like it is. Thats just the way he was built.

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Originally Posted by JustMyThought
And the Top 25 teams

1) Good Counsel (140)
2) Gilman (83)
3) Eastern Christian (62)
4) Wise (61)
5) McNamara (60)
6) Quince Orchard (51)
7) Damascus (47)
8) Douglass-PG (43)
9) DeMatha (42)
10) Suitland (41)
11) Dunbar (40)
12) Calvert Hall (40)
13) McDonough (36)
14) MSJ (32)
15) Arundel (31)
16) Seneca Valley (28)
17) Georgetown Prep (28)
18) Sherwood (27)
19) Perryville (26)
20) Franklin (26)
21) South River (26)
22) Thomas Johnson (26)
23) Northwestern-PG (25)
24) Glenelg (25)
25) Wilde Lake (22)



HM : AACS, Boonsboro, Brunswick, Catonsville, Churchill, Forestville, John Carroll, Liberty, Linganore, Loyola, McDonogh, Meade, Middletown, North Hagerstown, Old Mill, Paint Branch, Patterson Mill, Patuxent, Perry Hall, River Hill, South Hagerstown, Urbana, Walkersville, Westminster, Wicomico

Sorry guys. I was on hiatus when JMT tried to sneak this pre-season top 25 through without me noticing. It looks like all the usual suspects with the glaring omission of the defending 3A State Champions. The same football program that has played for four state championships in the past 6 years, winning 3 and just missing on playing for two more by a field goal in 2009 and a first down in overtime in 2010. Four MoCo teams got love before the first HoCo team received any? The MoCo poster child DMass received it’s annual pre-season top ten ranking even though they lost to Wilde Lake (fourth place finisher in HoCo) in 2010 and got running clocked by the team that RH running clocked in the 3A Championship Game in 2011. Four losses in 2011 (all to MoCo teams?) couldn’t keep Sherwood from getting recognized. PG’s Douglas, who was running clocked by Middletown in the 2A championship game, clocked in @ #8 and Middletown is nowhere to be found? Northwestern? South River? Are you kidding me? Glenelg and Wilde Lake deserved to be recognized considering that HoCo will rank near the top when JMT gets around to publishing his statistics that show which counties are the toughest but Glenelg hasn’t beaten River Hill in over 10 years and RH running clocked Wilde Lake to start their 10 game winning streak that remains intact. Everybody knows that preseason rankings aren’t worth the paper they are written on but they are at least an opportunity for the pollsters to recognize programs who have accomplished the most in the recent past instead of those that have accomplished nothing. If you don’t think RH will be in the mix next year you have your head stuck in the same hole these pollsters do. Bring on the scrimmages!

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Last edited by Oil Can; 03-24-2012 at 03:08 PM.

I agree...Oil Can is the MAN when it comes to rankings. You should post your own and lets forget about the slanted journalist poll.

[Mtown Knight]

It's your opinion, I respect it even if its not realistic. Gilman wouldn't beat RH by 21, it would be a running clock.

I am getting tired of reading how GREAT Gilman is, compared to every public school, on every single one of these threads about high school football. They lost to GC and Moeller and beat what sounds like a marginal Bosco team and then played no one for the rest of the year. Put them in a public county/conference and let them grind it out for ten weeks and then four more in the state tournament and see how they end up. Maybe then there would be respect for Wise, RH and Middletown.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I am getting tired of reading how GREAT Gilman is, compared to every public school, on every single one of these threads about high school football. They lost to GC and Moeller and beat what sounds like a marginal Bosco team and then played no one for the rest of the year. Put them in a public county/conference and let them grind it out for ten weeks and then four more in the state tournament and see how they end up. Maybe then there would be respect for Wise, RH and Middletown.

Marginal Bosco team to who? Not to anybody in Maryland! Bosco lost to NJ rivals that would DESTROY Middletown and River Hill by 50!!! The team Boaco lost to beat up one of the top 15 teams in the country!

Talk about the publics please and don't mention them in the same breath with Gilman or GC(or DeMatha). Win your 2A title and be happy with that, you're not ready for the big boys. You would get ran off the field!!

[DBUNK]

I am getting tired of reading how GREAT Gilman is, compared to every public school, on every single one of these threads about high school football. They lost to GC and Moeller and beat what sounds like a marginal Bosco team and then played no one for the rest of the year. Put them in a public county/conference and let them grind it out for ten weeks and then four more in the state tournament and see how they end up. Maybe then there would be respect for Wise, RH and Middletown.

Pick up the phone and schedule them... In the meantime GC and Gilman will play top national schedules every year....BTW I am certain GC and Gilman are looking for a game or two

[DBUNK]

If you can’t schedule GC or Gilman schedule DeMatha or St. Johns or Calvert Hall or go OOS and schedule Manatee, Gorman, Bosco, St Joseph, St X or Moeller I am sure you could fine one game that would give you a good measuring stick..

[Oil Can]

Pick up the phone and schedule them... In the meantime GC and Gilman will play top national schedules every year....BTW I am certain GC and Gilman are looking for a game or two

Just don't try to schedule them in Dec. when football starts to mean something. The Illuminati doesn't like their kids to get muddy. Try to schedule them in the summer in between their New Jersey powerhouse dates. I read on another board that those power house teams in NJ don't want anything to do w MD power house North Point. They must have heard what Noth Point did to FCA.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Just don't try to schedule them in Dec. when football starts to mean something. The Illuminati doesn't like their kids to get muddy. Try to schedule them in the summer in between their New Jersey powerhouse dates. I read on another board that those power house teams in NJ don't want anything to do w MD power house North Point. They must have heard what Noth Point did to FCA.

What? Who the hell is FCA? Friendship? Friendship isn't a powerhouse. Who cares if North Point beat them by 9 points and Bergen beat them by 6? What the hell does that mean? The dummy that posted that forgot to post that Friendship was blown out by another NJ team Paramus Catholic, who Bosco and Bergen blew out!

[Mtown Knight]

Marginal Bosco team to who? Not to anybody in Maryland! Bosco lost to NJ rivals that would DESTROY Middletown and River Hill by 50!!! The team Boaco lost to beat up one of the top 15 teams in the country!

Talk about the publics please and don't mention them in the same breath with Gilman or GC(or DeMatha). Win your 2A title and be happy with that, you're not ready for the big boys. You would get ran off the field!!

Not debating the "National" high school powers you play in 2 or 3 games each year (of which you lost two out of three). Just the marginal competition you play in your conference the other 8 or 9 games out of the year. Would love it if Middletown could focus/gear up for two or three games a year and coast thru the rest of our schedule. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. BTW....I love the way you always include WCAC teams DM and GC in your posts and not your MIAA brethren. I wouldn't include your beloved Gilman in their class until you can handle them on a consistent basis.

[DayWalker]

If you can’t schedule GC or Gilman schedule DeMatha or St. Johns or Calvert Hall or go OOS and schedule Manatee, Gorman, Bosco, St Joseph, St X or Moeller I am sure you could fine one game that would give you a good measuring stick..

yes, you should know. gilman did.

[DayWalker]

Not debating the "National" high school powers you play in 2 or 3 games each year (of which you lost two out of three). Just the marginal competition you play in your conference the other 8 or 9 games out of the year. Would love it if Middletown could focus/gear up for two or three games a year and coast thru the rest of our schedule. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. BTW....I love the way you always include WCAC teams DM and GC in your posts and not your MIAA brethren. I wouldn't include your beloved Gilman in their class until you can handle them on a consistent basis.

nope, their regular season is but 9 games with a two game playoff with the bye.

[TheGuru]

Not debating the "National" high school powers you play in 2 or 3 games each year (of which you lost two out of three). Just the marginal competition you play in your conference the other 8 or 9 games out of the year. Would love it if Middletown could focus/gear up for two or three games a year and coast thru the rest of our schedule. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. BTW....I love the way you always include WCAC teams DM and GC in your posts and not your MIAA brethren. I wouldn't include your beloved Gilman in their class until you can handle them on a consistent basis.

If you knew football you'd know that the MIAA A conference was very young this season. Middletown would get the surprise of their life if they played CHC, MSJ and McDonogh or any of the teams that those schools play out of conference year in and year out. I doubt you'd win the 2A championship with an undefeated record.

If you are so confident, get the Knights head coach to call Donald Davis. I'm sure he'd like his 2013 junior & senior laden team to bump against next year's 2A runner-up.

[Mtown Knight]

If you knew football you'd know that the MIAA A conference was very young this season. Middletown would get the surprise of their life if they played CHC, MSJ and McDonogh or any of the teams that those schools play out of conference year in and year out. I doubt you'd win the 2A championship with an undefeated record.

If you are so confident, get the Knights head coach to call Donald Davis. I'm sure he'd like his 2013 junior & senior laden team to bump against next year's 2A runner-up.

Impressive, opening up the debate on two fronts! I do know football, just not the class make up of the rosters in the MIAA A Conference. Just like you don't know that Middletown started more juniors than seniors on both O & D. Touché! As far as your beloved Poets, just like I said previously, we welcome the opportunity. I am all about competitive football, for all 14 games. Not two or three, which brings us full circle in these posts. A real program shouldn't have a down year just because your starting more underclassmen then seniors. No excuse.

[DayWalker]

If you knew football you'd know that the MIAA A conference was very young this season. Middletown would get the surprise of their life if they played CHC, MSJ and McDonogh or any of the teams that those schools play out of conference year in and year out. I doubt you'd win the 2A championship with an undefeated record.

If you are so confident, get the Knights head coach to call Donald Davis. I'm sure he'd like his 2013 junior & senior laden team to bump against next year's 2A runner-up.

now would this be the same MSJ who once lost to 1A Fort Hill would it? Or more up to date, the MSJ who lost to Spalding who was whacked by Douglass-PG that could not hang with MiddleT is it? This is not the same McDonogh who ALSO lost to Spalding who again was whacked by Douglass-PG and that Spalding team took out Loyola and and and, well, you get the picture...

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Not debating the "National" high school powers you play in 2 or 3 games each year (of which you lost two out of three). Just the marginal competition you play in your conference the other 8 or 9 games out of the year. Would love it if Middletown could focus/gear up for two or three games a year and coast thru the rest of our schedule. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. BTW....I love the way you always include WCAC teams DM and GC in your posts and not your MIAA brethren. I wouldn't include your beloved Gilman in their class until you can handle them on a consistent basis.

You might need to do your research on Gilman my friend. Yes Gilman has lost to GC the last two years, by 5 last year(with GC stopping them on the three yard line to save the game) and by 1 this year. Gilman won the previous year by 21 points and GC won the year before that. If you combine the scores of GC's 3 victories against Gilman and Gilman's one victory, Gilman would actually be ahead in total points. That's how close the games have been. Gilman and DeMatha played for over a decade straight and the series is TIED! That's sounds like they have beaten them pretty consistently. In fact they have the best all time record against DM!

Calvert Hall an McDonogh would have stomped a hole in Middletown if they played. Middletown, are you serious? I had never even paid attention to the school until last year. Like I said, be happy with winning the 2A this year. Worry about beating Dunbar next year and stay in your lane.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

now would this be the same MSJ who once lost to 1A Fort Hill would it? Or more up to date, the MSJ who lost to Spalding who was whacked by Douglass-PG that could not hang with MiddleT is it? This is not the same McDonogh who ALSO lost to Spalding who again was whacked by Douglass-PG and that Spalding team took out Loyola and and and, well, you get the picture...

MSJ this year had a LOT of injuries all year and started about 5 9th graders. The McDonogh team that played at the end of the year was the second best team in the conference. A young team that grew up big time and gave Gilman all they could handle in the playoffs.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Impressive, opening up the debate on two fronts! I do know football, just not the class make up of the rosters in the MIAA A Conference. Just like you don't know that Middletown started more juniors than seniors on both O & D. Touché! As far as your beloved Poets, just like I said previously, we welcome the opportunity. I am all about competitive football, for all 14 games. Not two or three, which brings us full circle in these posts. A real program shouldn't have a down year just because your starting more underclassmen then seniors. No excuse.

You see in big boy football you have down years sometime. DeMatha has had two the last two years, Gilman had two a few years ago, GC is basically new to the big time and will have a "down" year next year. But what you get is, it's down because they are playing REAL competition. NONE of these teams would have down years playin South Carroll, Walkersville, Catoctin, Tuscarara, Brunswick, Thomas Johnson and the best one of them all OAKDALE!! OAKDALE??! What the hell is an OAKDALE? Please never compare an MIAA schedule to that CRAP JV schedule Middletown plays!

[Mtown Knight]

You might need to do your research on Gilman my friend. Yes Gilman has lost to GC the last two years, by 5 last year(with GC stopping them on the three yard line to save the game) and by 1 this year. Gilman won the previous year by 21 points and GC won the year before that. If you combine the scores of GC's 3 victories against Gilman and Gilman's one victory, Gilman would actually be ahead in total points. That's how close the games have been. Gilman and DeMatha played for over a decade straight and the series is TIED! That's sounds like they have beaten them pretty consistently. In fact they have the best all time record against DM!

Calvert Hall an McDonogh would have stomped a hole in Middletown if they played. Middletown, are you serious? I had never even paid attention to the school until last year. Like I said, be happy with winning the 2A this year. Worry about beating Dunbar next year and stay in your lane.

Are you serious?!?! You rationalize 3 losses against 1 win vs GC by point differential? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. YOU LOST, deal with it.

McDonogh and Calvert Hall, are you serious?