State Poll - Final

[eaglesinsider]

Not debating the "National" high school powers you play in 2 or 3 games each year (of which you lost two out of three). Just the marginal competition you play in your conference the other 8 or 9 games out of the year. Would love it if Middletown could focus/gear up for two or three games a year and coast thru the rest of our schedule. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. BTW....I love the way you always include WCAC teams DM and GC in your posts and not your MIAA brethren. I wouldn't include your beloved Gilman in their class until you can handle them on a consistent basis.

Marginal Competiton? The MIAA is yearly rated among the toughest football conferences in the nation. It was slightly down this year, but it is always between the MIAA and the WCAC as to whom is the best football conference in the state.

I'd love to play in the Frederick county league. I'm real scared of Catoctin, Thomas Johnson, and all those schools. Middletown only had to get up for 1 game this year, the state title game. They blew out inferior opponents in every other game they played.

Talk about marginal competition, look at your own league.

[eaglesinsider]

Are you serious?!?! You rationalize 3 losses against 1 win vs GC by point differential? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. YOU LOST, deal with it.

McDonogh and Calvert Hall, are you serious?

McDonogh and Calvert Hall have the talent to beat any public school in the state. There's a reason mighty Westminster and Fort Hill turned down games vs. a very young McDonogh this year.

[Mtown Knight]

You see in big boy football you have down years sometime. DeMatha has had two the last two years, Gilman had two a few years ago, GC is basically new to the big time and will have a "down" year next year. But what you get is, it's down because they are playing REAL competition. NONE of these teams would have down years playin South Carroll, Walkersville, Catoctin, Tuscarara, Brunswick, Thomas Johnson and the best one of them all OAKDALE!! OAKDALE??! What the hell is an OAKDALE? Please never compare an MIAA schedule to that CRAP JV schedule Middletown plays!

Real competition? Two teams in your entire league, Gilman and CHC. Not even sold on CHC as being credible. McDonogh, Spalding, MSJ, Loyola, please. Last I checked, in the last five years Fred Co sent more teams to the state finals (8), in all 4 classifications and has won more state titles (5) than any other county in MD. That's real competition, not the two team league Gilman pads its won/loss record in every year. That's the joke!

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Are you serious?!?! You rationalize 3 losses against 1 win vs GC by point differential? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. YOU LOST, deal with it.

McDonogh and Calvert Hall, are you serious?

Are you kidding me?? McDonogh and CHC would DESTROY MIDDLETOWN! Destroy them! Middletown was small, slow as hell! The regular season combined record of the teams you played was 53-56! That's HORRIBLE! Take away Urbana winning 9 games and Walkersville winning 10, think about how even more HORRIBLE the other teams were.

You sound like a complete fool trying to compare Middletown to Privates. Really need to stop.

[DBUNK]

[QUOTE=GREYHOUND ALUM;8215135] GC is basically new to the big time and will have a "down" year next year. QUOTE]

GA for the record GC won’t have a down year trust me…No Fuller No O’Daniel but the cupboard is FAR FAR from empty in fact GC OL/DL will be off the chart good and I mean real real good and I think they will have a RB who will fill O'Daniels shoes very well his name is Leo Ekwoge...Just watch... As always circle the date

[DBUNK]

You are going to be hard hard pressed to find a better OL/DL unit anywhere … That 2012 Moeller OL was one of the best I have seen this GC line will be in that class

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

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GC is basically new to the big time and will have a "down" year next year. QUOTE]

GA for the record GC won’t have a down year trust me…No Fuller No O’Daniel but the cupboard is FAR FAR from empty in fact GC OL/DL will be off the chart good and I mean real real good and I think they will have a RB who will fill O'Daniels shoes very well his name is Leo Ekwoge...Just watch... As always circle the date

GC will be down compared to the last three years. The OL will be insane, no question about that. But I'm not sold on Leo, really good back but not Dorian good. The skill players will be a step below from what they have been, you will be weak at WR, LB, CB and QB.

[DBUNK]

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[DBUNK]

I guess it is circle the date every year when GC plays Gilman LOL

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

circle the date

Don't get me wrong, GC will still be very strong. I just don't see Top 20 in the nation strong like they have been. There's no Diggs, Fuller, Brown or O'Daniel on that roster. Gilman will be "down" as well. They basically only lose Shane on offense but will be really weak at the LB position and will miss Poggi on both sides of the ball. But Gilman will be loaded at the skill positions, the most talent in the history of the school. The key will be Qb play.

[DayWalker]

MSJ this year had a LOT of injuries all year and started about 5 9th graders. The McDonogh team that played at the end of the year was the second best team in the conference. A young team that grew up big time and gave Gilman all they could handle in the playoffs.

Such is the life of sports --- young, injuries, inexperienced starters, improvement over time even within a season. You just ain't saying anything new or unique GA. Publics have the same issues and may I add that they tend to play with neigborhood kids rather than recruit the best they can find within many neighborhoods in or out of state! And you all still find it competitive aganst the publics.

I'm sorry guy but you privates in Maryland just don't stand head and shoulders above the publics within Maryland as other highly selective privates are so much better than publics in other major football states.

I'm still working on MSJ and some of your other beast losing to Spalding but Spalding took it square on the chin against Douglass who started a freshman QB in his first varsity game. But MiddleT you say would get stomped against the privates who had no problem against Douglass.

I need to go back and read the post about Calvert Halll's record over a ten year period and review how they lost to Douglass, Gwynn Park, and Freindly over a couple seasons. Say it didn't happen!

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Such is the life of sports --- young, injuries, inexperienced starters, improvement over time even within a season. You just ain't saying anything new or unique GA. Publics have the same issues and may I add that they tend to play with neigborhood kids rather than recruit the best they can find within many neighborhoods in or out of state! And you all still find it competitive aganst the publics.

I'm sorry guy but you privates in Maryland just don't stand head and shoulders above the publics within Maryland as other highly selective privates are so much better than publics in other major football states.

I'm still working on MSJ and some of your other beast losing to Spalding but Spalding took it square on the chin against Douglass who started a freshman QB in his first varsity game. But MiddleT you say would get stomped against the privates who had no problem against Douglass.

I need to go back and read the post about Calvert Halll's record over a ten year period and review how they lost to Douglass, Gwynn Park, and Freindly over a couple seasons. Say it didn't happen!

I'm not talking about 10 years ago, I'm not talking about Five years ago. Privates now are different. MSJ is building a program. You say MSJ lost to Fort Hill(which was like four years ago) but what a score can't tell you is that MSJ had about four starters out that game including their best player and now All ACC player Kyle Fuller.

Spalding lost their whole squad from last year(only 1 starter returning)and had just recently lost their head coach to Cancer. It was their first game of the year, I think anybody would have beaten Spalding then and I actually predicted before the game that Douglass would beat them!

It's a new landscape now, five years ago publics and privates were much closer. Not anymore big course you can't say all Privates. Archbishop Carroll, McNamera, Loyola, MSJ and Spalding, aren't schools I would put in that category. I believe there are publics that could and would beat these teams. But outside of Carroll, I believe all these teams would be competing for State Titles every year if they played in the Public school system. The other privates, publics aren't on their level.

[85Knight]

What? Who the hell is FCA? Friendship? Friendship isn't a powerhouse. Who cares if North Point beat them by 9 points and Bergen beat them by 6? What the hell does that mean? The dummy that posted that forgot to post that Friendship was blown out by another NJ team Paramus Catholic, who Bosco and Bergen blew out!

I wonder what "dummy" would post something like that?

[TheGuru]

I need to go back and read the post about Calvert Halll's record over a ten year period and review how they lost to Douglass, Gwynn Park, and Freindly over a couple seasons. Say it didn't happen!

Quick History Lesson:

In the Golden Age of Calvert Hall Football (1963-1984), CHC had a record of 161-54-2. The Cardinals mainly played MSA private & public schools from B-More area, WCAC schools, Philly area privates and a handful of MPSSAA schools like Belair, Glen Burnie, Arundel, Annapolis & Dulaney. The MSA schools were some of the more powerful schools in the state because there was no dilution of talent. The charter school and specialized academy movement was still decades in the making in Baltimore.

The Dark Ages of CHC Football (1985-2006) resulted in a Cardinal W/L record of 102-124. A record made worse when the MSA was dissolved and Baltimore City kids started attending public schools for a chance to play for state titles. However, Calvert Hall had a 25-16 record in that time against MPSSAA schools like Meade, Perry Hall, Broadneck, Old Mill, Frederick, Linganore, Westminster, Friendly & Douglass-PG.

In 2003 Douglass-PG barely beat a 4-6 Calvert Hall team 17-14. That Douglass team was a 3A regional runner up. In 2004, Douglass won by only a TD against a 3-8 CHC squad, while Gwynn Park snuck by the Hall, 28-24. Douglass was a 3A state semi finalist and Gwynn Park was a regional runner up. Finally in 2005, Friendly (with Joe Haden) beat my 5-5 Cardinals in a shootout, 37-34. Friendly was a 3A regional semi finalist and would win the 3A title the next season.

The Renaissance of CHC football began with Donald Davis. He's led his alma mater to a 47-23 record from 2007-present. His first two seasons ended with a 9-13 record. The Cardinals played Eastern Tech in '07 (15-9 Loss) and '08 (14-13 loss). In both seasons, Calvert Hall lost close games to the MPSSAA's 2A runnerup.

What this should show you is that when CHC is good, they dominate MPSSAA public school competition. When they are bad to average, they still have a winning record against quality MPSSA teams and play them tough even while losing. So you Frederick, Howard, PG and Montgomery County football supporters please stop talking trash. At least Dunbar stood up to get beat down in 2012. Unless your athletic directors and coaches start growing some cojones and scheduling the big boys, you don't have a leg to stand on.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I wonder what "dummy" would post something like that?

Wasn't talking about you dawg, was talking about the guy who keeps comparing NJ teams to North Point just because they beat Friendship by more than Bergen. He has now mentioned it four times.

[watson34]

The Guru CHC was still in a bad situation until they got the QB transfer from GC. Thomas was exactly what CHC needed. That was the true Renaissance of CHC football. The talent was there yes, but would have been very ineffective without Stuart, and fallen far short of its ability without him. The two years he spent at CHC got the top recruits back looking at CHC, because he made them competitive. Otherwise Gilman would have gotten everyone. But Davis has to step up his recruiting in the unlimited leagues more. Teams are to small where it counts, and thin. Pop Warner recruits will not get it in the trenches. Takes to long to develop a Lineman from that level against bigger talent.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

The Guru CHC was still in a bad situation until they got the QB transfer from GC. Thomas was exactly what CHC needed. That was the true Renaissance of CHC football. The talent was there yes, but would have been very ineffective without Stuart, and fallen far short of its ability without him. The two years he spent at CHC got the top recruits back looking at CHC, because he made them competitive. Otherwise Gilman would have gotten everyone. But Davis has to step up his recruiting in the unlimited leagues more. Teams are to small where it counts, and thin. Pop Warner recruits will not get it in the trenches. Takes to long to develop a Lineman from that level against bigger talent.

Like I was saying to some CHC faithful, you can recruit all the skill players you want but if you don't get the big boys upfront you will not beat Gilman. I was told by a youth league coach that a big kid wanted to CHC this year but they didn't recruit him. Guess what, he ended up at Gilman and was starting at the end of the year as a Frosh. He now has the potential to be a 5 star recruit.

That being said, CHC has size on their team but the majority of them are on the bench! My question is, maybe CHC doesn't have the necessary coaches to develop linemen. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.

[lord_baltimore]

That being said, CHC has size on their team but the majority of them are on the bench! My question is, maybe CHC doesn't have the necessary coaches to develop linemen. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.

You're on to something my friend. CHC will HAVE to develop it's own lineman as they don't have the firepower to bring in the guys Gilman does. They can do a much better job of developing their own. Your legacy guys tend to play line. They don't have to be overwhelmingly huge or overwhelmingly athletic. They just have to have a leader who can instill agressiveness, commitment to the weightroom, and good technique.

High school O-Lineman are a special breed. They tend to be a little more "heady" and unsure of themselves than other positions and need a strong leader to maximize their potential. At the HS level...the best kind of O-Line is a mean O-Line.

[Oil Can]

Wasn't talking about you dawg, was talking about the guy who keeps comparing NJ teams to North Point just because they beat Friendship by more than Bergen. He has now mentioned it four times.

I was only reporting what I heard on another board. Maybe it was just someone blowing off steam like you do. Come to think of it, his handle was NORTHPOINT ALUM.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I was only reporting what I heard on another board. Maybe it was just someone blowing off steam like you do. Come to think of it, his handle was NORTHPOINT ALUM.

I actually wasn't talking about you either!