State Poll - Final

[MDhsfootballfan]

Quick History Lesson:

In the Golden Age of Calvert Hall Football (1963-1984), CHC had a record of 161-54-2. The Cardinals mainly played MSA private & public schools from B-More area, WCAC schools, Philly area privates and a handful of MPSSAA schools like Belair, Glen Burnie, Arundel, Annapolis & Dulaney. The MSA schools were some of the more powerful schools in the state because there was no dilution of talent. The charter school and specialized academy movement was still decades in the making in Baltimore.

The Dark Ages of CHC Football (1985-2006) resulted in a Cardinal W/L record of 102-124. A record made worse when the MSA was dissolved and Baltimore City kids started attending public schools for a chance to play for state titles. However, Calvert Hall had a 25-16 record in that time against MPSSAA schools like Meade, Perry Hall, Broadneck, Old Mill, Frederick, Linganore, Westminster, Friendly & Douglass-PG.

In 2003 Douglass-PG barely beat a 4-6 Calvert Hall team 17-14. That Douglass team was a 3A regional runner up. In 2004, Douglass won by only a TD against a 3-8 CHC squad, while Gwynn Park snuck by the Hall, 28-24. Douglass was a 3A state semi finalist and Gwynn Park was a regional runner up. Finally in 2005, Friendly (with Joe Haden) beat my 5-5 Cardinals in a shootout, 37-34. Friendly was a 3A regional semi finalist and would win the 3A title the next season.

The Renaissance of CHC football began with Donald Davis. He's led his alma mater to a 47-23 record from 2007-present. His first two seasons ended with a 9-13 record. The Cardinals played Eastern Tech in '07 (15-9 Loss) and '08 (14-13 loss). In both seasons, Calvert Hall lost close games to the MPSSAA's 2A runnerup.

What this should show you is that when CHC is good, they dominate MPSSAA public school competition. When they are bad to average, they still have a winning record against quality MPSSA teams and play them tough even while losing. So you Frederick, Howard, PG and Montgomery County football supporters please stop talking trash. At least Dunbar stood up to get beat down in 2012. Unless your athletic directors and coaches start growing some cojones and scheduling the big boys, you don't have a leg to stand on.

When you are talking about teams who were regional finalists barely beating around 500 CHC team you are talking about losing to a team who was the 5th to 8th place team in the 2A classication... So you take the actual 6 best public school teams in the entire state year in and year out and you'll see all the MIAA has over them is Gilman.

[TheGuru]

When you are talking about teams who were regional finalists barely beating around 500 CHC team you are talking about losing to a team who was the 5th to 8th place team in the 2A classication... So you take the actual 6 best public school teams in the entire state year in and year out and you'll see all the MIAA has over them is Gilman.

Ok. Don't schedule Gilman. Just tell your coach to call Donald Davis. I'm sure he'd love to play Middletown instead of MD Christian.

[living the dream]

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Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM

What? Who the hell is FCA? Friendship? Friendship isn't a powerhouse. Who cares if North Point beat them by 9 points and Bergen beat them by 6? What the hell does that mean? The dummy that posted that forgot to post that Friendship was blown out by another NJ team Paramus Catholic, who Bosco and Bergen blew out!

I wonder what "dummy" would post something like that?

He is talking about me. Unfortunately he is too stupid to ever answer the question and then brings it up in another thread like I won't see it (see definition of coward). He acts as if Public schools can't hang with the Private Schools. So I find (with help from other members on the board such as yourself) a scenario where a Maryland Public High School (that didn't even make the state playoffs) beat Friendship Academy by more points than the almighty Bergen Catholic. This is the same Bergen Catholic that beat Bosco by 14 points in the playoffs and went on to lose to Paramus in the state championship in NJ by 3 points. Coincidentally, Bosco was Gilman's only good win of the year.

I find it odd to assume that a Private school in Maryland who had one good win in the year would destroy all MD public schools when a school that didn't even make the public school playoffs proved that they can compete with the NJ big boys (schools that could beat Gilman). So only an arrogant, piece of $h1T that uses a bunch of definitive statements and exclamation points would try to convince us that nobody could score on Gilman.. ha what a joke!!

Size and speed doesn't determine the best team in the state. If that were the case, we wouldn't play the game- we would take 40 times and weigh in's to determine the state champion.

As I mentioned to GA before, the best players from Maryland that are playing football currently in the NFL are from Public schools not private schools. Ultimately, the NFL will determine who the best players from the state of Maryland are and those are typically kids coming from the MD public schools.

ps- Paramus beat FCA by 17 points (maybe this is a blowout but if so, then maybe we can all agree that Moeller blew out Gilman), North Point beat FCA by 8. And Bergen won in OT.

[Hallman]

You're on to something my friend. CHC will HAVE to develop it's own lineman as they don't have the firepower to bring in the guys Gilman does. They can do a much better job of developing their own. Your legacy guys tend to play line. They don't have to be overwhelmingly huge or overwhelmingly athletic. They just have to have a leader who can instill agressiveness, commitment to the weightroom, and good technique.

High school O-Lineman are a special breed. They tend to be a little more "heady" and unsure of themselves than other positions and need a strong leader to maximize their potential. At the HS level...the best kind of O-Line is a mean O-Line.

I beleive a committment to the weight room and training is CHCs biggest opportunity for growth. They have no speed and streanghth training program. It is definately a drawback. Coach Davis does have some of the players running track now but they have to have a more committed effort.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I beleive a committment to the weight room and training is CHCs biggest opportunity for growth. They have no speed and streanghth training program. It is definately a drawback. Coach Davis does have some of the players running track now but they have to have a more committed effort.

I have always asked this question about CHC, it always seemed that they lack strength training. But I think it goes deeper than that, you can't recruit 20 skill players and no linemen. CHC has to do a better job recruiting linemen instead of a bunch of skill players.

Biff has the Gilman kids do strength training all year. And if you're not playing basketball, baseball and lacrosse, all of the other kids are basically required to run indoor and outdoor track. This obviously helps the skill players but also the big guys. Because they are doing shot put and discus, basically just lifting the whole time.

[Big Sky]

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Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM




He is talking about me. Unfortunately he is too stupid to ever answer the question and then brings it up in another thread like I won't see it (see definition of coward). He acts as if Public schools can't hang with the Private Schools. So I find (with help from other members on the board such as yourself) a scenario where a Maryland Public High School (that didn't even make the state playoffs) beat Friendship Academy by more points than the almighty Bergen Catholic. This is the same Bergen Catholic that beat Bosco by 14 points in the playoffs and went on to lose to Paramus in the state championship in NJ by 3 points. Coincidentally, Bosco was Gilman's only good win of the year.

I find it odd to assume that a Private school in Maryland who had one good win in the year would destroy all MD public schools when a school that didn't even make the public school playoffs proved that they can compete with the NJ big boys (schools that could beat Gilman). So only an arrogant, piece of $h1T that uses a bunch of definitive statements and exclamation points would try to convince us that nobody could score on Gilman.. ha what a joke!!

Size and speed doesn't determine the best team in the state. If that were the case, we wouldn't play the game- we would take 40 times and weigh in's to determine the state champion.

As I mentioned to GA before, the best players from Maryland that are playing football currently in the NFL are from Public schools not private schools. Ultimately, the NFL will determine who the best players from the state of Maryland are and those are typically kids coming from the MD public schools.

ps- Paramus beat FCA by 17 points (maybe this is a blowout but if so, then maybe we can all agree that Moeller blew out Gilman), North Point beat FCA by 8. And Bergen won in OT.

Come on MAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN The best High school Football players are picked year in and year out.(Called All State) You can be a great High school player and
A. Play a different sport in college
B. Are smart enough to realize that the road to the NFL for 75% of the players is also the road to being Bankrupt( the 75% is just the number, 3 years after you leave the league ) It is actually greater through out life,
D. Are in it for a great education
E Turn out to be great college players and not very good Pros. (there are a number of Heisman players that washed out of the NFL)
F. Sat the bench in High school did not play until last year in college and are NFL superstars.
G Last but not least our in jail (the talent that is behind bars would shock everyone)

[Mtown Knight]

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Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM




He is talking about me. Unfortunately he is too stupid to ever answer the question and then brings it up in another thread like I won't see it (see definition of coward). He acts as if Public schools can't hang with the Private Schools. So I find (with help from other members on the board such as yourself) a scenario where a Maryland Public High School (that didn't even make the state playoffs) beat Friendship Academy by more points than the almighty Bergen Catholic. This is the same Bergen Catholic that beat Bosco by 14 points in the playoffs and went on to lose to Paramus in the state championship in NJ by 3 points. Coincidentally, Bosco was Gilman's only good win of the year.

I find it odd to assume that a Private school in Maryland who had one good win in the year would destroy all MD public schools when a school that didn't even make the public school playoffs proved that they can compete with the NJ big boys (schools that could beat Gilman). So only an arrogant, piece of $h1T that uses a bunch of definitive statements and exclamation points would try to convince us that nobody could score on Gilman.. ha what a joke!!

Size and speed doesn't determine the best team in the state. If that were the case, we wouldn't play the game- we would take 40 times and weigh in's to determine the state champion.

As I mentioned to GA before, the best players from Maryland that are playing football currently in the NFL are from Public schools not private schools. Ultimately, the NFL will determine who the best players from the state of Maryland are and those are typically kids coming from the MD public schools.

ps- Paramus beat FCA by 17 points (maybe this is a blowout but if so, then maybe we can all agree that Moeller blew out Gilman), North Point beat FCA by 8. And Bergen won in OT.

Amen. Read my previous posts on this thread. Problem is, this guy changes his facts like I change my underwear, everyday! In response to my posts, he states the MIAA is one of the top rated high school conferences in the country. Then does a complete 180 and trashes the same conference as uncompetitive and a joke. Wonder what this guy will pull out of the hat next time.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Amen. Read my previous posts on this thread. Problem is, this guy changes his facts like I change my underwear, everyday! In response to my posts, he states the MIAA is one of the top rated high school conferences in the country. Then does a complete 180 and trashes the same conference as uncompetitive and a joke. Wonder what this guy will pull out of the hat next time.

Wrong guy! I never said that the MIAA IN THIS THREAD OR THIS YEAR WAS ONE OF THE BEST CONFERENCES IN THE COUNTRY! You might need to check your facts before you talk trash. That was someone else not me!

[comets4life09]

whats up guys, finally got accepted to post on here about 2 weeks ago and just got on, so i'm new, but as far as Dunbar moving to 2a next yr goes...idk who Mtown will be losing player wise but if they had played eachother this yr Middletown would've won by 20! Dunbar gets by with weak schedules and gets teams like Surratsville and Forest Park in the P.o's...really? 1a football isnt that tough so the ride to the playoffs is cake! They will have to worry about winning the region next yr if Hereford can get back on track to what they were 4 yrs ago.

[First_Down]

...idk who Mtown will be losing player wise but if they had played eachother this yr Middletown would've won by 20! Dunbar gets by with weak schedules and gets teams like Surratsville and Forest Park in the P.o's...really? 1a football isnt that tough so the ride to the playoffs is cake! They will have to worry about winning the region next yr if Hereford can get back on track to what they were 4 yrs ago.

And Middletown gets 6 and 5 South River or the weakest 11-2 team I've seen in Elkton in the P.O's. Or what about 6 and 5 Williamsport and 8 and 4 Edmondson the year before!!! Middletown is a hot team of late but I suspect they will fold back into the pack on the irrelevant in the years to come and you will no longer have the luxury of talking about beating Dunbar by any points.

[comets4life09]

yea in their region its weak as well but the Walkersville team mtown beat for the region are better then the 3 teams dunbar beat to get to the final. brunswick shouldnt even have been in the final running nothing but slip screens really, i saw the fh brunswick game, and they beat a young fh team barely! dunbar barely beat edmonson this yr 13-8. the same douglas-pg team mtown killed again who rolled edmonson.. same goes for the 12-0 overlea team they beat last yr, overlea was just fortunate to drop to 1a to play such a soft schedule. worst 12-0 team ever! 2a will be a tougher test for dunbar so only time will tell come september. i just wish they would be able to play a tougher reg season schedule

[comets4life09]

and south river is a 4a team..

[First_Down]

and south river is a 4a team..

My bad, I meant South Carroll which is even worse.

[First_Down]

yea in their region its weak as well but the Walkersville team mtown beat for the region are better then the 3 teams dunbar beat to get to the final. brunswick shouldnt even have been in the final running nothing but slip screens really, i saw the fh brunswick game, and they beat a young fh team barely! dunbar barely beat edmonson this yr 13-8. the same douglas-pg team mtown killed again who rolled edmonson.. same goes for the 12-0 overlea team they beat last yr, overlea was just fortunate to drop to 1a to play such a soft schedule. worst 12-0 team ever! 2a will be a tougher test for dunbar so only time will tell come september. i just wish they would be able to play a tougher reg season schedule

Dude, be happy that you are a repeat champion -- the only two titles you own and act like a champion Many a poster of teams who have won the big one have come in here beating their breasts only to come out in the years that followed as repeat losers. You've been there before, act like it and box the you want Dunbar talk. I saw both of your games against Walkerville and they are just not all that. Speaking of barely getting by a team, you had your hands full with Frederick. Worry about Midletown in the seasons to come rather than wishing for what another team does or does not do. That is so bush league. Is Middletown bush league... You are beginning to sound so much like the Hereford crowd who once had their days in the sun adeat thei breasts around here but now can't be found around here. We don't want you to disappear in the years to come.

[Rob A.]

GA check your inbox

[comets4life09]

who's beating their breasts?? im not a knight either, im just making a point that Dunbar has had an easier schedule in the past in route to winning titles and they wont run through 2a as some have suggested especially through mtown! i stated that they wouldnt beat middletown in a game, but i also said idk who mtown is losing player wise either, but that Dunbar's run has been through bad to average teams! grant it CHC is a private power to a degree thats the only team of talent Dunbar played and they were dismantled easily! Its my opinion Dunbar wont have as much success in 2a, but i guess we'll wait for Sept for that

[First_Down]

who's beating their breasts?? im not a knight either, im just making a point that Dunbar has had an easier schedule in the past in route to winning titles and they wont run through 2a as some have suggested especially through mtown! i stated that they wouldnt beat middletown in a game, but i also said idk who mtown is losing player wise either, but that Dunbar's run has been through bad to average teams! grant it CHC is a private power to a degree thats the only team of talent Dunbar played and they were dismantled easily! Its my opinion Dunbar wont have as much success in 2a, but i guess we'll wait for Sept for that

Bud, are your some clairyvoant or Nostradamus type with some keen insight into the future? If not, then who the heck do you think you are to say what will or will not happen in the future! Dunbar is in the history bookslike Urbana and Seneca Valley in a way MTown may never come close to approaching. Until a couple years ago, MTown was one of the most successful programs to have NOT won a title. Now you are yik yaking about out of your mind about some pusedo-world domination. Chill Bill and enjoy your run. You just may find that rising to the top is a lot easier than staying there as Dunbar has done. Respect the record and the history in both football and basketball sport. And you need to wait until next December, not September ace!

[comets4life09]

why do u keep saying enjoy our run? im not a mtown grad or a fan! the sept reference has to do with actually looking at their schedule and seeing tougher teams to play rather then douglas, digital, mervo, edmonson, city,..ect! the record has come from beating weak opponents bottom line. I'm not saying mtown is a program but the teams they've had the last 2 yrs wouldve beaten dunbar..EASY! Therefore when they move back up to 2a they will not cruise as easily to a title. Middletown beat a good Urbana team this yr by 3 tds, and a Walkersville team while not great but good whom also beat Urbana..i said i believe mtown would beat dunbar this yr and can next yr! dunbar will not run through as easily as they have in 1a...when their level of competition steps up and they continue to win ill respect it, until then no. Your really confusing me with an overecstatic knight fan 4real...idk why! Dunbar has stayed at the top bc top city talent flocks there which im fine with but when they face tougher opponents and win on the regular ill admit im wrong!

[TheGuru]

why do u keep saying enjoy our run? im not a mtown grad or a fan! the sept reference has to do with actually looking at their schedule and seeing tougher teams to play rather then douglas, digital, mervo, edmonson, city,..ect! the record has come from beating weak opponents bottom line. I'm not saying mtown is a program but the teams they've had the last 2 yrs wouldve beaten dunbar..EASY! Therefore when they move back up to 2a they will not cruise as easily to a title. Middletown beat a good Urbana team this yr by 3 tds, and a Walkersville team while not great but good whom also beat Urbana..i said i believe mtown would beat dunbar this yr and can next yr! dunbar will not run through as easily as they have in 1a...when their level of competition steps up and they continue to win ill respect it, until then no. Your really confusing me with an overecstatic knight fan 4real...idk why! Dunbar has stayed at the top bc top city talent flocks there which im fine with but when they face tougher opponents and win on the regular ill admit im wrong!

I'm far from being a Dunbar fan but at the end of the season the Poets were playing some of the best football in the state. The only state champion that I don't know if they'd beat is River Hill and that still may have been a close game. I guarantee that Middletown didn't face all season kids as talented as Coleman Blackston (RB), Leland Lassiter (CB), Malik Jones (DE) & Marvin Gross (DE) were at their positions. I'd also wager that Middletown's disciplined, but slow team would've wilted against Dunbar's bigger, stronger & faster athletes. I hope that the two teams meet at the Bank next December.

[comets4life09]

i agree, but i also still dont think Dunbar has played any competiton this yr close to Middletown! Dunbar can keep receiving talent, but as i said idk who Mtown will lose this yr. I never said Mtown was a program, but i believe these past 2 yrs Dunbar would lose. Next yr may be another story, im not familiar will all 2a teams...mostly 3a & 4a, but Dunbar wont run through their schedule again unless its as easy as it was this yr. Middletown killed a Douglas-PG team that beat down Edmonson, the same Edmonson Dunbar struggled with...every game has to be played out tho so those instances mean little. Middletown did beat some competiton this yr in Urbana and Walkersville who also beat Urbana...Tj and Linganore were down again a bit but Middletown cake walked through them both...it will be interesting tho and i hope the same as well!