Do you like John Harbaugh

[Omaha Beach]

The so called Wizard of Oz has to accept part of the blame for no SB. He keeps on signing so called receivers who continually drop passes in key games. Clayton a few years back in NE dropped one on NE 8 yard line, would have been winning drive. Hooshyour daddy couple years ago, fourth and ten drops a first down pass against Steelers on a drive that would have at least tied the game and then last year with Evans, the unkindest drop of all. Same, with now. Pitta and Boldin only sure handed receivers. Draft picks: Kindle, Dickson, Smith yuck!

[TDL]

The so called Wizard of Oz has to accept part of the blame for no SB. He keeps on signing so called receivers who continually drop passes in key games. Clayton a few years back in NE dropped one on NE 8 yard line, would have been winning drive. Hooshyour daddy couple years ago, fourth and ten drops a first down pass against Steelers on a drive that would have at least tied the game and then last year with Evans, the unkindest drop of all. Same, with now. Pitta and Boldin only sure handed receivers. Draft picks: Kindle, Dickson, Smith yuck!

I would agree that Newsome has to take some responsibility for some very weak drafts as of late. Not sure I would include Boldin in that sure handed group. He's had quite a few drops this season and last.

Poor drafting along with aging players and losing quality talent to only be replaced by cheaper cast offs from other teams has put the team in a difficult position.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I would agree that Newsome has to take some responsibility for some very weak drafts as of late. Not sure I would include Boldin in that sure handed group. He's had quite a few drops this season and last.

Poor drafting along with aging players and losing quality talent to only be replaced by cheaper cast offs from other teams has put the team in a difficult position.

Agree 100%. (I was going to make a comment on Boldin NOT being so sure handed, but you covered it already.)

[Omaha Beach]

Agree 100%. (I was going to make a comment on Boldin NOT being so sure handed, but you covered it already.)

Who do they have at least at this point any better than Boldin?

[OriginalColtsFan]

Who do they have at least at this point any better than Boldin?

The only one I can think of is Doss. But he's used so sparingly, it's hard to tell for sure. But he's quicker than Boldin. And is supposed to have very sure hands; in any case, he can't have any WORSE hands than Boldin has displayed. Aside from some memorable game changing catches, Boldin, in my book, has either been a major non factor, or a definite disappointment. (However, he, like everyone else on the Ravens offensive side of the ball, has never been used to his strength, which is short slants that he then runs for YAC. I will at least acknowledge that much.)

[ivanbalt]

The only one I can think of is Doss. But he's used so sparingly, it's hard to tell for sure. But he's quicker than Boldin. And is supposed to have very sure hands; in any case, he can't have any WORSE hands than Boldin has displayed. Aside from some memorable game changing catches, Boldin, in my book, has either been a major non factor, or a definite disappointment. (However, he, like everyone else on the Ravens offensive side of the ball, has never been used to his strength, which is short slants that he then runs for YAC. I will at least acknowledge that much.)

There was some old guy in Arizona that used to throw short passes to Boldin and long passes to this other guy Larry. I think they did ok. I also think they didn't have anyone named Cam on the team.

[OriginalColtsFan]

There was some old guy in Arizona that used to throw short passes to Boldin and long passes to this other guy Larry. I think they did ok. I also think they didn't have anyone named Cam on the team.

True that. But even that was a long time ago. At least by NFL standards/in NFL years. The Ravens waited a year or two too long to bring in Boldin.

[ivanbalt]

True that. But even that was a long time ago. At least by NFL standards/in NFL years. The Ravens waited a year or two too long to bring in Boldin.

That, and Flacco isn't Warner. Warner was the definition of elite as long as he had some protection.

[OriginalColtsFan]

That, and Flacco isn't Warner. Warner was the definition of elite as long as he had some protection.

Elite or not, I bet if you look at all the throws from Joe to Boldin, Boldin has dropped more passes than Joe has missed getting passes to Boldin.

[ivanbalt]

Elite or not, I bet if you look at all the throws from Joe to Boldin, Boldin has dropped more passes than Joe has missed getting passes to Boldin.

That doesn't help either. If you look at the Ravens from a fantasy perspective, they haven't had a true #1 receiver in forever (Heap being the closest thing for a couple seasons). Remember when Travis Taylor was the "#1"?

[OriginalColtsFan]

That doesn't help either. If you look at the Ravens from a fantasy perspective, they haven't had a true #1 receiver in forever (Heap being the closest thing for a couple seasons). Remember when Travis Taylor was the "#1"?

Yeah. I remember. And Ozzie Newsome STILL maintains that if Taylor had just had a FEW MORE YEARS with the Ravens, he'd have been great. Yeah, Ozzie. You go, guy!

[SugarRay52]

True that. But even that was a long time ago. At least by NFL standards/in NFL years. The Ravens waited a year or two too long to bring in Boldin.

You do realize that if the Ravens had gotten him a year earlier (2009) he would have cost a lot more (1st, 3rd and players). Arizona wanted a ransom for him prior to the 2009 season. I do agree he is aging though but from a price standpoint (contract and draft picks) they were smart to get him when they got him.

By the way I like Harbaugh (not super high on him) but would like him a lot more if he finally gets rid of Cameron.

[OriginalColtsFan]

You do realize that if the Ravens had gotten him a year earlier (2009) he would have cost a lot more (1st, 3rd and players). Arizona wanted a ransom for him prior to the 2009 season. I do agree he is aging though but from a price standpoint (contract and draft picks) they were smart to get him when they got him.

By the way I like Harbaugh (not super high on him) but would like him a lot more if he finally gets rid of Cameron.

As Ray Rice said...the Ravens pay who they want to pay. They overpaid for Suggs. They overpaid for Ngata. You can't have it both ways. Like Grubbs said: "The Ravens are all about the defense." And it shows. They waited to long for Boldin. And it cost them in other ways.

[West Chester Raven]

Nobody's even talking about the gutless way Harbaugh chose to end the 1st half against the Steelers. 32 seconds and 3 time outs left, and this chicken chit runs with his tail between his legs into the locker room after simply running out the clock. It's JUST LIKE BILLICK did in the game against the Colts. Exactly. They're both "play not to lose" coaches, and the results speak for themselves -- SEEMINGLY impressive w/l records (although Billick's is nowhere near as "impressive" as Harbaugh's), but gutless when it comes to the post season and/or playing against top level competition. Just like all their mentors -- Andy Reid, Marty, and Bo Schembechler.

(Hey...I hear a satire song coming out of all of this: "Andy Reid, Marty, and Bo".)

"facepalm"

[West Chester Raven]

John Harbaugh is a good coach. The team has been to the playoffs every year he has been coach. Now - he isn't playing, but he sets the tone and instilled discipline in the locker room at a time when it was sorely needed.
Now at year 5, the natural lifespan of his tenure is likely closer to the end than the beginning. Most coaches don't last even 5 years these days. The message tens to get stale with the players. That said, I think he has been a positive for this team and look forward to his coaching them for the next few years.

[Omaha Beach]

John Harbaugh is a good coach. The team has been to the playoffs every year he has been coach. Now - he isn't playing, but he sets the tone and instilled discipline in the locker room at a time when it was sorely needed.
Now at year 5, the natural lifespan of his tenure is likely closer to the end than the beginning. Most coaches don't last even 5 years these days. The message tens to get stale with the players. That said, I think he has been a positive for this team and look forward to his coaching them for the next few years.

Too bad that so called locker room discipline does not carry over to the field. I do believe they are second most penalized team in NFL after Oakland. As far as 5 years and out tell that to the Patriots and Belechick!

[Omaha Beach]

As Ray Rice said...the Ravens pay who they want to pay. They overpaid for Suggs. They overpaid for Ngata. You can't have it both ways. Like Grubbs said: "The Ravens are all about the defense." And it shows. They waited to long for Boldin. And it cost them in other ways.

Grubbs in NO and Johnson in SD may be making more money than with the Ravens but they wont be in playoffs this year like they were here.

[ziptop]

Nobody's even talking about the gutless way Harbaugh chose to end the 1st half against the Steelers. 32 seconds and 3 time outs left, and this chicken chit runs with his tail between his legs into the locker room after simply running out the clock. It's JUST LIKE BILLICK did in the game against the Colts. Exactly. They're both "play not to lose" coaches, and the results speak for themselves -- SEEMINGLY impressive w/l records (although Billick's is nowhere near as "impressive" as Harbaugh's), but gutless when it comes to the post season and/or playing against top level competition. Just like all their mentors -- Andy Reid, Marty, and Bo Schembechler.

(Hey...I hear a satire song coming out of all of this: "Andy Reid, Marty, and Bo".)

Because it's not. A business? Maybe. A sport? No.

[West Chester Raven]

As far as 5 years and out tell that to the Patriots and Belechick!

? That is the exception, not the rule. Not sure what your point is there. Of 32 teams, 5 have average coaching tenure > 6 years. Our franchise (including the Cleveland days) has an average tenure of 4.80 years.
John has moved well past the average NFL coach tenure and is in all liklihood much closer to the end than the beginning.
It's been a great run with a few chapters left to be written. These are the facts:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ure/53376918/1

[Frank Costanza 831]

? That is the exception, not the rule. Not sure what your point is there. Of 32 teams, 5 have average coaching tenure > 6 years. Our franchise (including the Cleveland days) has an average tenure of 4.80 years.
John has moved well past the average NFL coach tenure and is in all liklihood much closer to the end than the beginning.
It's been a great run with a few chapters left to be written. These are the facts:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ure/53376918/1

It could be argued that he inherited a very talented team and just rode their coattails during these 5 "successful" years