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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    Sen. Inhofe, for the second consecutive week, wins the award for Dumbest comment from a US Senator this week:



    Someone should tell him that these types of treaties are only symbolic measures...
    Why are you torqued about something that is meaningless then. If it means nothing, who cares either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRaven View Post
    Why are you torqued about something that is meaningless then. If it means nothing, who cares either way.
    Disabled people care. Bob Dole cared enough to show up for the vote before his party embarrassed him...

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    My autistic son is not upset. It is a do nothing treaty.
    My children are my legacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRaven View Post
    Why are you torqued about something that is meaningless then. If it means nothing, who cares either way.
    Because it might end up costing us money, the way the UN gets money from us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom49of4 View Post
    My autistic son is not upset. It is a do nothing treaty.
    True, then way didn't Republican vote for it? If you can't pass this how do you do a debt deal?
    My autistic student is not happy. He mentioned it in class today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRaven View Post
    Why are you torqued about something that is meaningless then. If it means nothing, who cares either way.
    Ratifying this Convention would have placed the weight of America's moral standing behind U.N. efforts to put pressure on those nations that do indeed discriminate against the disabled. Of course, with people such as Sen. Inhofe and yourself, that moral status slips a little every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom49of4 View Post
    My autistic son is not upset. It is a do nothing treaty.
    You don't know what you're talking about. There are countries in this world where they do discriminate against the disabled -- often to the extent that it puts the lives of the disabled in jeopardy. Our participation would have helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phineas Finn View Post
    You don't know what you're talking about. There are countries in this world where they do discriminate against the disabled -- often to the extent that it puts the lives of the disabled in jeopardy. Our participation would have helped.
    Helped how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprightly View Post
    Helped how?
    It promotes our values and gives some level of protection to disabled Americans when they travel abroad. Countries that ratified the treaty are more likely(rather than less likely) to honor the treaty.

    If republicans can't get behind a simple bi-partisan measure such as this, how are they going to get onboard with the more complicated issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprightly View Post
    Helped how?
    This sort of Convention helps put pressure, genuine worldwide pressure, on nations that discriminate against the disabled -- just like the one on violence and discrimination against women shines a worldwide light on nations that abuse women. Another example is the U.N.'s Convention against child marriage.

    Solving these problems is a long, hard road, but for the world's most powerful nation to stand on the sidelines for nonsensical reason is unforgiveable.

    Those who argue for the expulsion of the U.N. and claim that we should have no part of any global efforts of any kind are living in a fool's fantasy. This planet gets smaller every year, and we're either part of it or we'll be left behind.

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    How have our values helped women in Saudia Arabia or women in China who want to have more than one child?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    It promotes our values and gives some level of protection to disabled Americans when they travel abroad. Countries that ratified the treaty are more likely(rather than less likely) to honor the treaty.

    If republicans can't get behind a simple bi-partisan measure such as this, how are they going to get onboard with the more complicated issues?
    There are many treaties that we have not ratified. You can go to the U.N. site and conduct research. Each country has the obligation to honor the treaty with or without the USA so I'm going to reject that argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phineas Finn View Post
    Those who argue for the expulsion of the U.N. and claim that we should have no part of any global efforts of any kind are living in a fool's fantasy. This planet gets smaller every year, and we're either part of it or we'll be left behind.
    The problem is that the flat-Earth society has taken over the GOP. Remember when the GOP was led by great statesmen like Dwight Eisenhower and James Baker? Those days are over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom49of4 View Post
    How have our values helped women in Saudia Arabia or women in China who want to have more than one child?
    There are limits to what we can do about what goes on within another nation's borders but it's better to make strong statements than to say nothing at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phineas Finn View Post
    This sort of Convention helps put pressure, genuine worldwide pressure, on nations that discriminate against the disabled -- just like the one on violence and discrimination against women shines a worldwide light on nations that abuse women. Another example is the U.N.'s Convention against child marriage.

    Solving these problems is a long, hard road, but for the world's most powerful nation to stand on the sidelines for nonsensical reason is unforgiveable.

    Those who argue for the expulsion of the U.N. and claim that we should have no part of any global efforts of any kind are living in a fool's fantasy. This planet gets smaller every year, and we're either part of it or we'll be left behind.
    I'm not even sure of the reasons given. I've read some of the U.N. treaties and find them to be typical legalese -- worse even -- international legalese. (No offense to legal eagles.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phineas Finn View Post
    Ratifying this Convention would have placed the weight of America's moral standing behind U.N. efforts to put pressure on those nations that do indeed discriminate against the disabled. Of course, with people such as Sen. Inhofe and yourself, that moral status slips a little every day.
    What American moral standing would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom49of4 View Post
    How have our values helped women in Saudia Arabia or women in China who want to have more than one child?
    That's right: There are still murders so let's drop laws against murder; let's ignore the wrongs in the world when they don't fit the political agenda of the ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprightly View Post
    There are many treaties that we have not ratified. You can go to the U.N. site and conduct research. Each country has the obligation to honor the treaty with or without the USA so I'm going to reject that argument.
    The irony here is that this Treaty is George W Bush's baby. It began during his administration and was signed by Obama. It's based on the Americans with Disabilities Act. Therefore, by not ratifying it, we're basically saying that we can't even agree on something as simple as spreading our own values on human rights to other nations. It's the clearest sign that ignorant extremists have taken over the republican party. They should be embarrassed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    There are limits to what we can do about what goes on within another nation's borders but it's better to make strong statements than to say nothing at all...
    That most certainly is not the case. There is a reason why Americans are viewed and America is viewed as imperialistic and aggressive by foreigners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phineas Finn View Post
    This sort of Convention helps put pressure, genuine worldwide pressure, on nations that discriminate against the disabled -- just like the one on violence and discrimination against women shines a worldwide light on nations that abuse women. Another example is the U.N.'s Convention against child marriage.

    Solving these problems is a long, hard road, but for the world's most powerful nation to stand on the sidelines for nonsensical reason is unforgiveable.

    Those who argue for the expulsion of the U.N. and claim that we should have no part of any global efforts of any kind are living in a fool's fantasy. This planet gets smaller every year, and we're either part of it or we'll be left behind.
    Warfare and economic pressure are the only way to go with those nations.

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