Tim Geithner: Obama 'Absolutely' Prepared To Go Over Fiscal Cliff

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

And Bobo's idiot running mate or Bobo himself? How many states THIS year? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Stupid ba*****s!

Hey, I didn't vote this time around for Obama, but the Republican party is a joke anymore. They consist of lunatics and idiots who are too stupid to realize when they don't have the upper hand to back off.

[SalisburySage]

Why would I need facts, links, proof to disprove a claim you made?? YOU need to provide some facts, links and proof to back up the crap you are spewing... Deadbeat!

Again you have no clue what you are talking about. You are not even making any sense. We're talking about an insult some made against me not some substantive talking point. You are acting like a silly girl. Is this your attempt to get a date with me. Usually when someone acts like a silly girl around me they are trying to get in my bedroom. You had better tell your wife first.

[BlandFood]

Your Leader

Yes, through all his faults Bush was my president. We knew for certain which side HE was on. (besides, flying supersonic aircraft was a tits job)

http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/gw2.jpg

[boink]

And I hope, pray, and petition my Representative and Senators, that they do.

FAR, FAR, FAR better to take this hit, get the deficit under control, our national debt under control, and then "fix" the military sequestration to spread it out over 20-years.

In fact, I'm surprised you're not for it.
You do realize the sequestration cuts budgets of things you hate, like grants to local health clinics (which may or may not provide abortions), education for poor children, food to poor children, and housing for poor families. It also cuts budgets for every discretionary budget line, including: justice dept, FDA, transportation, etc, etc.

These are cuts I HATE, but... overall they're not terribly onerous when taken in conjunction with the military cuts (which would never otherwise happen), and tax increases.

Furthermore, after this new "baseline" has been set - why can't our so effective and practiced government see how this will affect our economy in reality, then make necessary adjustments.

With the budgetary headroom, they could:
cut taxes on business
cut taxes on investment
exchange benefit adjustments to Medicare for various tax incentives
create an infrastructure bank
increase food stamps
increase unemployment insurance
increase funding to programs in a bi-partisan (LOLOLOL) manner. military, head start, food for children, etc.


I truly believe this is an amazing unintended opportunity to get our house in order, if they only treat it as such.

increase food stamps?

eligibility requirements have already been loosened

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http://wamu.org/news/morning_edition...a_spurs_debate

Huge Growth Of Food Stamps In Northern Virginia Spurs Debate By: Michael Pope // December 5, 2012

The numbers are staggering. In the last decade, the number of people who receive food stamps in Arlington County has doubled. In Fairfax County, the number has tripled. And in the city of Alexandria, it's quadrupled — and not just because of the recession...

...More people are also eligible. A few years ago, the federal government expanded eligibility. Now, applicants are not asked whether or not they own an automobile. They're not asked about educational loans. In Virginia, applicants must be at or below 130 percent of the federal poverty level...

...Armor recently wrote a paper that concluded most recipients of food stamps are actually above the federal poverty line. He argues the federal government could save $200 billion a year by tightening eligibility of anti-poverty programs to people who are actually in poverty...

[Terry K]

http://www.millercountyliberal.com/n...ys_Lesson.html

"The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us to "Please Do Not Feed the Animals."

Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.


This ends today's lesson."

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

increase food stamps?

eligibility requirements have already been loosened

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http://wamu.org/news/morning_edition...a_spurs_debate

Huge Growth Of Food Stamps In Northern Virginia Spurs Debate By: Michael Pope // December 5, 2012

The numbers are staggering. In the last decade, the number of people who receive food stamps in Arlington County has doubled. In Fairfax County, the number has tripled. And in the city of Alexandria, it's quadrupled — and not just because of the recession...

...More people are also eligible. A few years ago, the federal government expanded eligibility. Now, applicants are not asked whether or not they own an automobile. They're not asked about educational loans. In Virginia, applicants must be at or below 130 percent of the federal poverty level...

...Armor recently wrote a paper that concluded most recipients of food stamps are actually above the federal poverty line. He argues the federal government could save $200 billion a year by tightening eligibility of anti-poverty programs to people who are actually in poverty...

If the current version of the Republican Party has its way all Federal employees will be on food stamps.

[flyboy56]

I don't usually agree with Gov. Howard Dean but listening to him talk about the need for going over the fiscal cliff made my heart go pitter patter. As he said, it's not the time for cold feet by both parties if we are really serious about fixing our debt problem. The cliff is really the least of our problems. We will recover from the shock and come out stronger at the end of the second recession. I hope everyone has prepared financially for this day to come. The writing has been on the wall for years.

[OldBay]

I don't usually agree with Gov. Howard Dean but listening to him talk about the need for going over the fiscal cliff made my heart go pitter patter. As he said, it's not the time for cold feet by both parties if we are really serious about fixing our debt problem. The cliff is really the least of our problems. We will recover from the shock and come out stronger at the end of the second recession. I hope everyone has prepared financially for this day to come. The writing has been on the wall for years.

The cliff is actually less cutting than the original Simpson-Bowles. What's weird is the variety of cuts in the cliff. It would have made more sense if bennies to congress were cut, even if only symbolic, and if they were forbidden from insider trading after causing the market to drop. They are essentially creating their own buying opportunities by creating the climate for market dips.

[flyboy56]

The cliff is actually less cutting than the original Simpson-Bowles. What's weird is the variety of cuts in the cliff. It would have made more sense if bennies to congress were cut, even if only symbolic, and if they were forbidden from insider trading after causing the market to drop. They are essentially creating their own buying opportunities by creating the climate for market dips.

So you believe Unions are playing it straight and legal with the dues they receive but our elected officials are involved in corruption? I don't trust anyone when it comes to greed or power opportunities.

[OldBay]

So you believe Unions are playing it straight and legal with the dues they receive but our elected officials are involved in corruption? I don't trust anyone when it comes to greed or power opportunities.

If it is not illegal to engage in insider trading, is it corruption?

And unions' books are the most closely examined public records in the country.

[gonzoliberal]

Reality meets alternative betaverse.

Which will win?

[flyboy56]

If it is not illegal to engage in insider trading, is it corruption?

And unions' books are the most closely examined public records in the country.

If congress has one set of rules for them and another set for everyone else it is corruption.

And you attend every single union audit that takes place?

[OldBay]

If congress has one set of rules for them and another set for everyone else it is corruption.

And you attend every single union audit that takes place?

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't agree with insider trading by Congress. But since it is not illegal, it is not corruption, just morally wrong.

Audits are not events that can be "attended".

[Contumacious]

If the GOP wants to throw the nation off the fiscal cliff, Obama would be just fine. .

The nation was thrown off the fiscal cliff circa 1913 with the creation of the federal reserve board.

The first adverse consequence was the 1935 depression. That should have alerted the scumbags that that agency should have beeen abolished. They failed or refused to do so. They are BOTH guilty as charged.

Soon, very very soon, that they are going to utter the garbage that "they meant well". But nevertheless the citizenry must pay the consequences.

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[flyboy56]

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't agree with insider trading by Congress. But since it is not illegal, it is not corruption, just morally wrong.

Audits are not events that can be "attended".

Not to start this argument again OldBay but to explain how I understand the word corruption to mean:

"In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is spiritual or moral impurity or deviation from an ideal." Wikipedia definition

[OldBay]

Not to start this argument again OldBay but to explain how I understand the word corruption to mean:

"In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is spiritual or moral impurity or deviation from an ideal." Wikipedia definition

Fair enough. Good definition too - I don't think any political body could pass the test of that definition!

[flyboy56]

Fair enough. Good definition too - I don't think any political body could pass the test of that definition!

And I told a little white lie earlier today so I guess my moral standing on this board is damaged.