Cam Cameron FIRED

[nomad]

the real question is do the Ravens have the cajones to spread the field and go one back to truly take advantage of the skills of Ray Rice.

[PEZ]

News Flash! EVERYTHING was Cam's fault, including defense and special teams inconsistencies! Ravens are going to the SUPER BOWL!!!

[nomad]

3 wide, Pitta, Rice and no huddle. Ravens need to find out of Flacco can handle, if he can't they need a different quarterback. Ravens are paying Rice a ton of money and if they want to take advantage of his skills they need to go no huddle and give Flacco the freedom to call the plays based on what he sees pre-snap.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

He should never have been brought back from last year. I don't see the timing in it though. No team that I know of has ever fired a HC, OC, or DC this late in the season and gone onto playoff success. It's pretty much an admission that the team isn't going to make a run at the superbowl.

Didnt they fire Jim Fassell during the season and Billick took over the OC duties and they made the playoffs? Or am I wrong?

[tacker]

OK, one down and at least one more to go (Pees), if not two more.

[PEZ]

Didnt they fire Jim Fassell during the season and Billick took over the OC duties and they made the playoffs? Or am I wrong?

Yes, October 2006.
Ravens made the playoffs but lost in the first round to the Colts 15 - 6.

[tigercruise]

A year too late. Did anyone notice Harbaugh having words with Cameron on the sidelines yesterday? The first time I've ever seen that. Got right in his face. I had a feeling something was up.

Now, Pees must be shown the door also. The defense is also in serious trouble. Hell, the whole damn team is in serious trouble.

[Omaha Beach]

The logic? You're having trouble following the logic? Well, here...see if this helps:

THE SEASON WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST HAD CAMERON REMAINED! That's the logic. Now, at least there's a HOPE that things can be turned around. The D isn't going to win anything for the Ravens in the post season, so it's up to the O. And with an untied Joe at the helm, I think there's enough fire power there, WHEN USED PROPERLY, to allow this team to beat ANYONE. The Ravens WILL be in the post season, so things are just beginning now. Joe and Jim have an established relationship, so you BUILD on that. It's perfectly logical to me. Why WASTE another entire year's production just waiting til the end of the season to fire Cameron? SHOULD it have been done 2 years ago? Sure. It this a "better late than never" scenario/logic? Absolutely! THAT'S the logic.

No fan of Cameron, glad he is going. But the last two losses are on Pees and the no guts in crunch time D, especially the backs. Could not believe what i was looking at on the 2 point conversion when there were NO lb's in the middle. Even a seldom used rookie saw that he could almost stroll into the end zone.

[tigercruise]

Harbaugh's presser at 4:00 should be interesting.

[PEZ]

Now, Prees must be shown the door also. The defense is also in serious trouble. Hell, the whole damn team is in serious trouble.

It was easy to blame Cam for the offensive problems since there have really not been any real injuries to the offense. You can't say that about the defense. Several key injuries with 2nd and 3rd strings filling in on the defense. Is Pees to blame? Really??

[OriginalColtsFan]

I guess we get to see how much oldcoltsfan really knows about football now. If Flacco all of the sudden now lights it up the rest of the season and through the playoffs then this will show he is pretty knowledgable about the game. If Flacco is still very inconsitent from one game to the next or even one half to the next, then he is just a donkey who just likes to whine.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Yeah, baby. Let's just see how it all plays out, shall we?!!!

[OriginalColtsFan]

I'm thinking the logic here is all about Flacco. I wonder if they still don't know what to do with Flacco because of his inconsistincies and Cam was just the scapegoat to see if Flacco can all of the sudden turn it on under a different OC. If He flourishes under a different OC then that will go a long way towards a huge contract here in Baltimore. If he still struggles, then maybe he will not get the huge contract he desires.

LOL. Yeah. What a surprise you'd be thinking that.

[OriginalColtsFan]

No fan of Cameron, glad he is going. But the last two losses are on Pees and the no guts in crunch time D, especially the backs. Could not believe what i was looking at on the 2 point conversion when there were NO lb's in the middle. Even a seldom used rookie saw that he could almost stroll into the end zone.

Not totally accurate. If Cameron had called a better 2nd half it wouldn't even have had to come down to that. And this is nothing new. Let's just see if Caldwell can dial up FOUR FULL QUARTERS OF OFFENSE, shall we? (We already KNOW Cameron could not; not in almost FIVE YEARS. There was not one single game during that entire time in which the offense was on track for four full quarters. I expect that to change not insignificantly under Caldwell.)

[Rael]

Not totally accurate. If Cameron had called a better 2nd half it wouldn't even have had to come down to that. And this is nothing new. Let's just see if Caldwell can dial up FOUR FULL QUARTERS OF OFFENSE, shall we? (We already KNOW Cameron could not; not in almost FIVE YEARS. There was not one single game during that entire time in which the offense was on track for four full quarters. I expect that to change not insignificantly under Caldwell.)

I think you both are right but Cameron didn't have to deal with injuries serious to 4 or 5 of his better starters for weeks at a time. Pees hasn't impressed me but he has had a lot more difficulty placed in his way. Plus with Cameron, there is a logical replacement on staff. Who would you get to replace Pees?

[tigercruise]

Not totally accurate. If Cameron had called a better 2nd half it wouldn't even have had to come down to that. And this is nothing new. Let's just see if Caldwell can dial up FOUR FULL QUARTERS OF OFFENSE, shall we? (We already KNOW Cameron could not; not in almost FIVE YEARS. There was not one single game during that entire time in which the offense was on track for four full quarters. I expect that to change not insignificantly under Caldwell.)

Cameron's biggest fault - he couldn't adjust. Once he had his game plan together, that was it regardless of what was happening on the field later in the game. Once the defense started to scope him out, he couldn't see the trees through the forest.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I think you both are right but Cameron didn't have to deal with injuries serious to 4 or 5 of his better starters for weeks at a time. Pees hasn't impressed me but he has had a lot more difficulty placed in his way. Plus with Cameron, there is a logical replacement on staff. Who would you get to replace Pees?

Clarence Brooks. (And I'm not disagreeing with you; what I was saying is that if Cameron had simply done his job better, the Ravens would have won. So I wasn't pinning the loss on Pees, although I think he leaves a LOT to be desired.)

[Frank Costanza 831]

He is the scap goat. Flacco ruined his career.IMO Cam didnt fumble and throw a pick yesterday and fumble vs the steelers. My guess is Cam said something to Harabaugh that he didn't like.

This is the most idiotic thing i've ever seen on here. Drew Brees and Philip Rivers were both "busts" until they got away from Cam. Cam is a locker room cancer and has failed at every endeavor he has ever been a part of in football. And speaking of scapegoats what about Jim Zorn? They bring a guy in that the QB likes and has the best season of his career with so they go and fire him and promote Cam to QB coach. Cam is an idiot and how anyone can defend this moron is beyond me

[tigercruise]

This is the most idiotic thing i've ever seen on here. Drew Brees and Philip Rivers were both "busts" until they got away from Cam. Cam is a locker room cancer and has failed at every endeavor he has ever been a part of in football. And speaking of scapegoats what about Jim Zorn? They bring a guy in that the QB likes and has the best season of his career with so they go and fire him and promote Cam to QB coach. Cam is an idiot and how anyone can defend this moron is beyond me

Frank, tell us how you really feel.

I agree. I have a feeling that Bisciotti had something to do with this. I just can't imagine Harbaugh sending his buddy packing unless he was "persuaded" to do so.

[nomad]

Cam has a philosophy and he makes his players fit into his instead of modifying his style to fit the strengths of his players. Cam completely misused Ray Rice. The Ravens should constantly be trying to constantly get the ball to Ray Rice in space, instead they maybe do it twice a game. You want to really make the defense worry, throw lots of swing passes (let the defense cover him with a linebacker) and screens to Ray. It wasn't the Ray Rice doesn't get enough carries, it is that he is almost completely ignored in the passing game (like yesterday).

[OriginalColtsFan]

I wonder if Caldwell will try to sneak in the half back option pass.